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HarryinNM

Aug 13, 2011, 10:46 AM

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I recall reading about MagicJack use on this forum. However, I just did a search and came up with no results.

Can someone tell me whether or not MagicJack works from within MX. Any other pertinent information would be appreciated.

Thanks.



YucaLandia


Aug 13, 2011, 10:55 AM

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Magic Jack works fine from Mexico with 90 kbps** upload and 300 kbps** download speeds.

Magic Jack does not like some IP blocking/changing software.
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**Some speed test websites use "K" in their reporting, some official units-conversion websites use "K", but the typical accepted convention seems to be "kbps" where "kbps" formally means kilo bits per second while "Kbps" = kilo bytes per second. A few sites are now using "0.5 Mbps" types of reporting.

Unnecessary BS, but it amuses me: If this confuses you, cross-check the file sizes in bits, bytes, Mb and Gb in your file manager (each give different results), and then check out the actual size in bits or bytes of your 180G hard drive etc. There are no single conversion or reporting rules when comparing base-10 decimal-thinking units and base 2 computer units: 1,000 Kilos does not necessarily equal a Mega, and 1,000 Megas do not necessarily equal a Giga. In 1999, the International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) issued standards for these terms, but the electronics and computers industries prefer the confusion, versus a single standard that consumers can rely on.

The biggest games are played with internet and data speeds. 1000 kbps is basically the same as 1 Mbps. The trouble comes when they (Telmex, Iusacell, etc) arbitrarily substitute a "K" in place of a "k", because the K looks cooler in marketing materials. Many websites play follow-the-leader and substitute "K"s. The games get even worse with companies's use of arbitrary 3G and 4G terminologies. Current 4G marketed technology is not 4G and does not meet official internationally accepted 4G standards.

All of this information is courtesy of "The BEST Information Source on the Web". (whatever that means)
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joaquinx


Aug 13, 2011, 10:57 AM

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Yes. There is a thread on Mexico Expat Forum http://goo.gl/FkNeC


HarryinNM

Aug 13, 2011, 11:44 AM

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Thanks much. You've given me all I needed to know. Thanks.


YucaLandia


Aug 13, 2011, 3:24 PM

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Great !

Since a lot of our beach folks and people in the mountains have very slow wireless internet connections, it might help to know that Magic Jack uses about 76 kbps constantly for both upload and download speeds (as measured with a real-time monitoring system).
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johanson / Moderator


Aug 13, 2011, 4:53 PM

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Please note that YucaLandia made a very good point. Carlos Slime's upload speed is really quite slow. about 1/8th of his download speed. Therefore the "hasta" 1 meg down by the "hasta" 128 kbps up may not be fast enough especially because the "hasta" speed is usually quite a bit faster than the actual speed, and often the upload speed is not fast enough.

I would recommend that you not subscribe to the ("hasta") 1 meg down by 128 up package if you want to use a VoIP system. Rather I would recommend the next faster speed for VoIP if you are using Telmex-Infinitum, (the up to 2 meg down by up to 384 kbps upload speed), I have had no problems using any of the VoIP products at this intermediate speed.

Sure, if you are lucky, the 1 meg package will work. But many have had problems with this package.


YucaLandia


Aug 13, 2011, 5:04 PM

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Johanson is correct about VOIP and upload speeds, which is why I tested what bandwidth our MJ uses. Skype and other VOIP owners report some bandwidth problems here at the beach, while Magic Jack seems to require less.
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HarryinNM

Aug 13, 2011, 5:31 PM

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Thanks again to both you and our moderator.

This forum is such a marvelous resource because of all of you.


chicois8

Aug 13, 2011, 8:35 PM

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I am located near Dolores Hildago and MJ works very well, sometimes after about 15 min. talk it starts to break up so I hangup and redial and all is well...


gmusgrave


Aug 14, 2011, 9:20 AM

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This is a bit OT for the MagicJack topic, but I'd like to try and clear up some of the confusion about units used for download/upload speed, if I can.


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Some speed test websites use "K" in their reporting, some official units-conversion websites use "K", but the typical accepted convention seems to be "kbps" where "kbps" formally means kilo bits per second while "Kbps" = kilo bytes per second.


The SI (metric) standard for prefixes is: kilo (1,000) = "k", mega (1,000,000) = "M", giga (1,000,000,000) = "G", and tera (1,000,000,000,000) = "T". All of these are commonly used in computer and telecom to specify data size and speed.

The correct unit for kilobits is "kb" and for megabits is "Mb".

There is also an accepted computer science designation for the symbols used for bits and bytes: bits have a unit designation of "b" and bytes are designated with "B". Kilobits are "kb" and kilobytes are "kB". This is a very important distinction, since otherwise you can't tell them apart, and there is a significant difference: 1 byte = 8 bits.

Therefore, "kbps" is kilobits per second, while "kBps" is kilobytes per second. "Kbps" has no accepted meaning.

For example, a 1 Mbps (megabits per second) connection means that the maximum achievable download bandwidth is 1 million bits per second, which is 0.125 MBps (megabytes per second). A 0.5 MBps connection is the same as a 2 Mbps connection – bad marketing, since 2 Mbps sounds faster than 0.5MBps.


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If this confuses you, cross-check the file sizes in bits, bytes, Mb and Gb in your file manager (each give different results), and then check out the actual size in bits or bytes of your 180G hard drive etc.


I think this should read, "...the file sizes in bits, bytes, MB and GB...". Most modern file managers normally report file size and free disk space in bytes, and so these are megabytes and gigabytes respectively.

Unfortunately, there are problems with the quantities these units might represent when reported by an operating system (see the end of my next comment).




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There are no single conversion or reporting rules when comparing base-10 decimal-thinking units and base 2 computer units: 1,000 Kilos does not necessarily equal a Mega, and 1,000 Megas do not necessarily equal a Giga.


Unfortunately there really is some confusion here. The quantity referred to by the units kilobyte (kB), megabyte (MB), and gigabyte (GB) depends on their context!

They should have the SI metric meaning where: 1 MB = 1,000 kB and 1 GB = 1,000 MB. Unfortunately, there are a couple of exceptions.

When used for media capacity (such as a hard drive), a MB, for example, does mean "one-million bytes". The same usage applies to telecom data (such as download/upload speeds): 1 Mbps = 1,000 kbps. This is the metric SI standard adopted by the IEEE and the IEC.

Unfortunately, confusion results because computer memory capacity (RAM) uses a binary rather than a metric meaning for these units. This is because memory is a hardware-level device that can only be addressed in base-2. In this context, 1GB, for example, is 1,073,741,824 bytes (rather than the expected 1,000,000,000). In this system, 1 kB = 1,024 bytes, 1 MB = 1,024 kB, and 1 GB = 1,024 MB.

There have been units introduced to solve this problem. They are called "kibibyte", "mebibyte", "gibibyte", and "tebibyte". The "bibyte" suffix stands for "binary byte".

These new terms represent a binary factor of 1,024, rather than the metric standard of 1,000. There are also corresponding terms for bits ("kibibit" for example). A kibibit per second would be written as "Kib/s", and a kibibyte per second would be written as "KiB/s".

The intention was that the SI units be only used for powers of 10, and never for powers of 2 – this latter is where the new units come in. Unfortunately, these new units have been virtually ignored by the memory industry.

Consumers would naturally assume that 4GB of RAM, for example, would be same as 4GB of hard drive space. Sadly, because of the difference between the non-standard usage of these units when talking about memory capacity, this is not the case. 4 GB of RAM is 4,294,967,296 bytes, where 4 GB of hard drive space represents 4,000,000,000 bytes (as you'd expect). Hard drive manufacturers clarify this in their drive specs, and usually on the label on the drive. This is because they appear to be the bad guys in this scenario. It looks to the consumer like they are short changing them on capacity. This is not the case.

The problem is simply the non-standard usage of these units by the RAM manufacturers. The hard drive guys are actually in step with everybody else....well almost everybody.

To add even further to the confusion, Microsoft Windows reports file size and free disk space using a factor of 1,024, while Mac OS and Linux use the standard 1,000. Therefore, the file size reported by a file manager for the same data varies depending on the operating system!

In Windows, there will also be a disagreement between the reported file size and the actual capacity of the hard drive because Windows is using a non-standard meaning for MB, GB, and TB which differs from the standard being used by the drive manufacturer.

I hope this clears up some of the confusion surrounding this complicated topic, and helps people better understand the units involved.

Garry Musgrave


RickS

Aug 14, 2011, 10:55 AM

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Thanks Garry..... I think.


whynotwrite

Aug 14, 2011, 1:19 PM

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Gee thanks. I need to go lie down right after checking your math.


gmusgrave


Aug 14, 2011, 1:31 PM

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Gee thanks. I need to go lie down right after checking your math.


Luckily, it doesn't involve calculus!

I don't think there'd really be any confusion if: web sites used the correct terminology for bandwidth specs, memory manufacturers used the new units (so there weren't two completely different sets of units with the same names), and Microsoft would follow standards. I wouldn't hold my breath on that last one!

Garry Musgrave


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Aug 14, 2011, 1:51 PM

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Well done, Carry, Thank you for your time on that.

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Aug 14, 2011, 4:58 PM

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Thanks for the input. I remember in my part of Lake Chapala when internet first arrived in May of 1997. The backbone between the ISP and Guadalajara was a dedicated synchronous 64 kbps telephone line. Our download speeds at www.laguna.com.mx were not 56 kbps but up to 28.8 kbps with upload speeds sometimes above 35 kbps.

1/2 of 1% of our clients are still connected via dialup. The others are fixed WiFi. I just went to www.speedtest.net and got the result shown below. During periods of low activity, of course, the speeds are faster


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YucaLandia


Aug 15, 2011, 7:43 AM

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Gee thanks. I need to go lie down right after checking your math.


Luckily, it doesn't involve calculus!

I don't think there'd really be any confusion if: web sites used the correct terminology for bandwidth specs, memory manufacturers used the new units (so there weren't two completely different sets of units with the same names), and Microsoft would follow standards. I wouldn't hold my breath on that last one!


Too Funny!
It may not require calculus, but it does require linear-logarithmic gyrations to interconvert.

Isn't a "standard" a commonly used method of measuring things?

Since Telmex, et al, and speed test websites, computer units conversion websites, memory manufacturers, Disk Drive makers, board makers w/clock speeds, and Microsoft do not use the the bureaucrats SI chosen "convention", then the SI conventions don't quite rise to the level of a standard. (Hilarious or sad?)

Even the courts and the law have recognized the mess, causing manufacturers to add disclaimers like: "The usable capacity may differ from the advertised capacity." As a chemist who has been forced to deal with the international SI turkeys' unilateral edicts from Europe for 5 decades, it's clear that the Higher Powers at Système International D'Unités love to create "standards" and "official names" and then try for decades to encourage the rest of us to use them.

For people who want simple ways to convert between what the world actually uses vs. the esoteric SI units: an SI kilobyte value is almost 98% of the kibibyte, an SI megabyte is less than 96% of a mebibyte, and a gigabyte is a little more than 93% of a gibibyte value. This means that a 300 GB (279 GiB) hard disk is reported on the sticker as only 279 GB.

The conversion issues and differences were minor when data transfer speeds, clock speeds, memory chips, and disk drives were small. As storage sizes and speeds increase and even larger units are used, the differences become even more pronounced.

The key point for users is that Marketeers rule the reporting, and they advertise things in the ways they think will get us to buy, (where " Kbps " looks way more cool and bigger than " kbps " and " 300 G" s is more memorable than " 279 ". )

- and yes, Magic Jack does work just fine with 76 kbps in Mexico.
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Aug 15, 2011, 7:59 AM)
 
 
 
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