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RonMader


Jul 1, 2004, 10:59 AM

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Vonage and VOIP?

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Greetings

I'm looking into using voice over IP (VOIP) ... has anyone used Vonage making calls originating from Mexico?
http://www.vonage.com

Any other suggestions?

Ron
Ron Mader
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Esteban

Jul 1, 2004, 11:50 AM

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I have friends using it and they think it's just as good as the regular phone. You have to have broadband for it to work so add in that cost too. I still like Dialpad which costs less than 4 us cents a minute to call from Mexico to the US.


RonMader


Jul 1, 2004, 1:29 PM

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Re: [Esteban] Vonage and VOIP?

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Excellent suggestion. My only drawback is that I use a Mac and Dialpad is not available

Hmmm ... surfing the Web, I've come across Free World Dialup ...
http://ez.fwdnet.net
Ron Mader
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Esteban

Jul 1, 2004, 1:50 PM

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Have you looked at iconnecthere or mediaring? If those don't work give in to Billy boy! :-) sorry.


johanson / Moderator


Jul 1, 2004, 2:37 PM

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David, our Web Hefe has been using Vonage for what, 12 to 18 months now? Many folks lakeside are using it, and usually with good luck. Earlier posts made by Esperanza tell of her good luck with IconnectHere over a Prodigy dialup connection.

I have IconnectHere on my laptop and tower and have had good luck using it with my broadband connections, be I connected at 256 Kb/sec up and down or via my t-1 connection.


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Esteban

Jul 1, 2004, 2:56 PM

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Remember that he is talking non microsoft...ie Mac so does iconnecthere or mediaring support Mac?


johanson / Moderator


Jul 1, 2004, 7:11 PM

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I don't know what works with a mac, Estaban. I guess he could always go to their web page and check.


RonMader


Jul 2, 2004, 5:25 AM

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Adding phone references (with a bias toward Mac)
>> >> http://www.planeta.com/web/telephone.html
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Kimpatsu Hekigan


Jul 2, 2004, 4:00 PM

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This message appeared on the MacFixit website within the last couple of days. Sorry, can't find the original link:


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Steven Elliott shared some tips about Internet-based telephony, Mac-style:

Your readers should be aware that the Vonage SoftPhone is simply XTen's XLite phone connected to the Vonage VoIP network. In order to use the service you need to be a subscriber of Vonage and you need to pay monthly fees of $12 dollars on top of the normal monthly of $15. In other words around $27 per month. An alternative both in price and in terms of needing to be connected via Vonage is to get the same XTen softphone pre-configured by XTen from FreeWorld Dialup (FWD) <http://www.fwd.pulver.com/support/software_downloads> instead of Vonage.

FWD has two phones pre-configured for the Macintosh (XTen and SJPhone) and very well written documentation of how to connect in 5 steps with either a direct internet connection or through a firewall, NAT (i.e. LinkSYS) proxy/router. Once you have a FWD account which works from anywhere in the world by the way (not just Vonage) and is FREE (as in air) you can make SIP VoIP calls to any other SIP phone anywhere in the WORLD for nothing, nada. In order to make calls to a regular POTS (plain old telephone system) phone anywhere in the world you will need a supplier like iConnectHere. iConnectHere can be dialed directly from your FWD account by dialing **334.

I have been using iConnectHere <http://www.iconnecthere.com/nonmembers/eng/services/broadband.html> to call from Portugal, where I live, to Argentina, Brazil and the USA for about 3c per minute. Calls originating from within the USA to numbers in the USA I believe are even cheaper at around 1.1c per minute. iConnectHere has a couple of plans but the one I use does not require a monthly fee. In other words, I pay what I use and if I don't use it for a month I don't pay.

So, using FreeWorld Dialup and iConnectHere will give you the same service as Vonage (actually better because of the Vonage codec restrictions plus FWD gives you voicemail and Conferencing, etc for free) and allow those who do not have a Vonage subscription (and can't get one) to use VoIP and connect to [public telephone networks] from anywhere in the world to anywhere in the world for much less!


HTH,

-- K.H.


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After enlightenment: Chop wood, haul water.




kirkswig


Jul 2, 2004, 4:50 PM

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I don't understand this at all. Why would you pay another $12US on top of your normal Vonage fees just to use the thing on the Mac? Mac and PC has nothing to do with it! Right? Vonage is a box you plug into your broadband connection, and then you plug in a normal phone into the Vonage box. Your computer isn't involved at all! Why would you want it to be?

BTW, I'm only now starting to follow this conversation, but has anybody had any experience with Lingo? They appear to do everything Vonage does, but for a lot less... $19.95US Unlimited calls to U.S./Canada, plus they give you three free months.

To boldly go where no wig has gone before.


Jerry@Ajijic

Jul 2, 2004, 7:58 PM

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We have been using Vonage for about 6 months and love it. We get 500 minutes of calls to anywhere in the US or Canada for 14.95 per month. We also have what they call a "virtual phone number" for our daughter in Florida. With that she just dials that local number and it rings our phone here.
We also get unlimited 800 calls. We also looked at Lingo and it seems that they charge .05 for calls to Mexico.


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kirkswig


Jul 2, 2004, 9:16 PM

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I'm probably missing something, but I just checked with both sites and it seems both charge for calls to Mexico.

Lingo charges $.05 US to Mexico City. Vonage charges $.06 US to Mexico City.

Vonage charges $.08 US to Mazatlan, which is where I'll be. Lingo doesn't have a price listed for Mazatlan however.

Both Lingo and Vonage have the $14.95 US for 500 minutes deal. However, for unlimited Vonage charges $29.99 US whereas Lingo charges only $19.95 US. Plus Lingo gives you three months free.

I'm just guessing here, but the issue seems to be one of how you get your broadband access. If you have a cable modem, then there really isn't any need to get a Telmex account, because you can use Vonage/Lingo to make your local calls over your cable modem. However, if you get a ADSL account, like Prodigy over Telmex, then you're probably getting local calls for less than $.05 US anyways, so the international rates Vonage and Lingo charge won't apply (you will however have two phone numbers, which I guess could be a pain.)

So based on what I understand now (and please correct me if I'm wrong in any of this) for me personally the best option is to go with Lingo over ADSL. The little experience I've had with Internet over cable in Mazatlan has not impressed me as with cable you're effectively sharing the local bandwidth with your neighbors, so the resulting bandwidth may at times be so low as to preclude using VoIP applications (which is what I experienced trying to download a large file through various Internet cafes in the city), whereas with ADSL I should have unimpeded access at least to the Telco, and since I require a local phone number to get ADSL in the first place, international rates aren't a concern provided that the numbers I'd be dialing are numbers local to me in Mazatlan.

To boldly go where no wig has gone before.


kirkswig


Jul 2, 2004, 9:30 PM

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I should add that another thing that complicates this for me personally is that the only people I'm really interested in talking to in America have computers, specifically Macs, and that if you have a Mac that is running OS X you have access to something called iChat AV, which is basically your VoIP without telephone numbers. Using something like iChat AV I can talk to other people who have Macs endlessly without paying a cent more than what I pay for broadband access. An added plus, it's teleconferencing, so I can see people's faces as I talk to them. In combination with collaborative software, it can be a very productive arrangement I'm told; you can both be online working on the same document, looking at each other, talking with one another, exchanging files and so forth, even though you're literally sitting on opposite ends of the continent.

So it's a tough call. It's nice to have the number than can be easily dialed from the U.S./Canada, if not for personal reasons, then purely for professional use. It makes it appear you're living NOB, which I would imagine makes some things easier. For instance, I could have a resume with a phone number that prospective employers could actually dial and it'd be neat if I were there on the other end to pick up. But we are talking about some big bucks here, especially when you consider I'm paying for broadband access to make that go, and that with ADSL, I'm paying for a phone line as well. Low end ADSL is around $30 US, I'm guessing the phone line itself is going to be around $10 US. I add Lingo on top of that and sure, I've got a really neat telecommunications setup, but I'm also paying ~$60 US@month for the privilege.

That's a lot of Pacifico.

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Papirex


Jul 3, 2004, 1:45 AM

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We have been using Vonage for several months. We are delighted with it. There seems to be some confusion or misunderstanding by the posters who have not used Vonage themselves. A special phone to connect to your computer is not required. You would only buy one of those if you traveled with your laptop, and could find a connection to use the service. You connect those phones directly to your computer, and you don’t need the adapter. Unless a person had a lot of business calls to make, that would be more trouble than it’s worth I think.

At home, just plug a regular old plain vanilla phone in to the adapter. The adapter is provided to you free. If you quit the service, there will be a $32.50 charge if you don’t return it in the original box. You do not have to have your computer turned on to use The Vonage phone system, but you must have your broadband modem, your router if you use one, and the Vonage adapter power on. You don’t even need to have a computer to use Vonage, but it is hard to imagine someone having a broadband connection without one.

I bought a pair of cordless phones at Costco for our Vonage system. The Vonage adapter must be connected to your broadband modem, which is upstairs in our house. The phone must be connected to the adapter. One of the phones I bought is a master, it requires connection to a phone wire. The second phone is a slave, the base for it is just a charger. I have the master connected to the Vonage adapter upstairs, and the slave downstairs for convenience. We also have all the long distance numbers we frequently call programmed in to the memory of the phones. We can also each use a phone, instead of passing one back and forth. That’s a lot easier than passing a set of headphones back and forth.

We use a cable broadband Internet connection. As far as the system slowing down when traffic is high, That does not happen to an appreciable extent. We have a 256 KPBS connection. When I run a speed test using PCPITSTOP the upload speed reported is usually around 387 KPBS. Sometimes it is as low as around 200 KPBS. I always test the speed several times in a row. After getting a low reported speed, the next test a few seconds later is usually up around 350 KPBS or more. Any slowdowns seem to be just momentary, and not very severe. I think all the stories about cable slowdowns are spread by phone companies to help them sell their ADSL systems.

Infinitum is not available everywhere either. There is a technical limitation of approximately 18,000 lineal feet of wire from the nearest facility providing that service to your house. That is roughly 3 miles, since the wires must follow the streets. Your house may be too far away for them to provide you service. The telephone wiring to your house, and inside it, must be copper. Telemex sends a technician to your house to verify that Infinitum will work there. We have a nephew that built a new house in Mexico City 5 or 6 years ago. When he tried to get Infinitum, it could not be installed because the wires in the streets were not all copper. The kid has a great job and makes tall Dollars. He can buy anything he wants. But he can’t get Infinitum.

I opted for the $14.99 per month plan, that includes 500 prepaid minutes. That’s 8 hours and 20 minutes of long distance calling. I have never talked long distance on a phone that long in a month from home. If we ever do exceed 500 minutes, additional time is only 3.9 Cents per minute. We chose a Tacoma Washington local number, that is where my wife’s brother lives. If he calls us here in Cuernavaca, it is a local call for him. If we call him, it is a local call for us, all part of our prepaid minutes.

I also chose a toll free 888 number for $4.99 per month with 100 prepaid minutes. Additional time is 4.9 Cents per minute. We have a daughter living in Fairbanks, and two daughters and a son living at Lake Berryessa in California. They and other friends can also call us toll free. There is $1.75 federal tax levied on each account.

We also have a son in London, England, and a niece in Leer, Germany. The long distance tolls to call them are a real budget buster. It costs 2 Cents a minute. Vonage also has some included features that are very nice. We can set up a three way call. A couple of months ago we set up a call from our house in Cuernavaca to our niece in Germany, and her mother in Mexico City. At 2 Cents per minute to Germany, and 6 Cents per minute to Mexico City, the cost was just 8 Cents per minute to us. Calls to a Mexico phone are actually long distance calls using Vonage, since our Vonage phone number is a Tacoma Washington number.

It costs a little over 13 Cents per minute to call my wife’s mother in Mexico City using Telmex, 6 Cents using Vonage. That’s a little less than half of the Telmex rates. We now make all our Mexican long distance calls using Vonage. It is always cheaper than the Telmex rates. I haven’t done the math, but I am recovering a couple of Bucks a month of the Vonage cost I guess. I also like the idea that I am cutting Telmex off at the knees.

Another nice feature is the free voicemail. There are three ways to retrieve them. On the phones here in the house, just dial *123. They also provide you with a telephone number to call if you are out of the house to retrieve it. It is a Tacoma Washington number, so that is not too practical to use from here in Mexico. Every time you get a voicemail they also send you an Email to inform you that you have new messages. You can then log on to your account to listen to them on your computer if you are not at home.

We spent two weeks last month visiting my wife’s aunt in Ajijic. I took my laptop to The CIA and connected to their Ethernet cable. I had voicemail, and I was able to listen to it there. That is a very handy feature when you are traveling.

You can also log on to your account to see how many of your plan minutes you have used for the current billing month, and the amount to date you will be charged for long distance calls on the next months bill. They do send an Email when your credit card is charged for the last months service with details of what all charges are for.

I think the choice of which VoIP service to use depends on a couple of things. One is that Vonage does require a broadband ISP connection. Some of the others do not. Another consideration is if it is worth more cost for a lot more convenience using Vonage. For me it is. That’s a personal choice. All the reports I have read here say that the other services are very good too. A far cry from 5 r 6 years ago when they were all the pits.
Rex






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(This post was edited by RexC on Jul 3, 2004, 2:54 AM)
 
 
 
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