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Mexipatdf

Jun 22, 2013, 10:08 AM

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At the end of March, Shaw´s new satellite with new channels was made available to Shaw suscribers.

Based on the satellite´s footprint map, the signal does not reach any part of Mexico, but anyway I´m interested in real life reports.

The new satellite (Anik G1) is located in the same position (107.3 W) as Anik F1.

However, the equipment required to receive the new satellite is a 6xx series receiver, and the 75 cmts dish with extended Ku Quad LNB, or in the case of setups with larger dishes, an extended Ku LNB for the dish pointed towards 107.3 w (Anik F1 and G1).

Some of the new satellite channels that could be used to run a test with the above mentioned equipment, are Ch 98, Ch 200.

I know that theoretically the new sat´s signal shouldn´t reach much into the US, but recent reports indicate that the signal is covering more than what the map shows, thus my interest in finding out if anyone in Mexico is getting some signal.

johanson / Moderator

Jun 22, 2013, 10:29 AM

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A couple of weeks ago, I went on line to a forum on satellites. It took a while to find, but I will look again and post a link later this afternoon. What Mike Kohl posted was that folks as far South as San Francisco, California were having problems getting signals from the new bird Anik G-1 and that one would need a larger sized dish to get signals therefrom in SF. He further stated on his Radio program that people like me in Mexico probably don't have a chance.

Sadly the guy is quite smart and I'm betting that his predictions are right. Again I will try to find this satellite forum and check the latest posts later this afternoon and share the information I learned and the link later this afternoon.

Mexipatdf

Jun 22, 2013, 10:39 AM

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Thanks for the feedback.

Based on that info, I would also think that there is no reason to even bother with that for us in Mexico.
I don´t have at this moment the equipment to run a test for the new satellite channels.
I read a report (without any proof) that a 75 cmts dish in Queretaro was receiving good signal, but if the signal is not even reaching the southern US, I don´t see how it then would reach farther south with a small dish, unless the satellite had a specific beam pointing in this case to Mexico, which I don´t believe it has.

Therefore, unless there is some reliable proof that the signal is reaching Mexico, I guess we might as well just enjoy the channels that we are getting now, before making adjustments to our setup.

johanson / Moderator

Jun 22, 2013, 12:03 PM

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It looks bad. Try going to this link on the satelliteguys . Left-click on the link below

http://www.satelliteguys.us/...n-Satellite-Services

If for some reason this link doesn't work for you, let me know. It works for me, but I'm a member there. Although, I almost never post on that forum.

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Mexipatdf

Jun 22, 2013, 2:19 PM

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I received some feedback from Mike Kohl on this issue, as follows:

"You might see receivers mapped for Anik G1 channel numbers, but a bit of cross referencing usually finds that receivers are actually looking at something else. It would appear that use of a 75E antenna to get Anik G1 signals would be limited to areas no further than 100 miles south of Chicago. One peculiarity that I have already found is that new receivers such as the DSR-600, when combined with the new system, seem to mute out any reception with signals less than 5.5 dB Carrier-To-Noise ratio. Whereas previously you could take any regular Digicipher 2 signal and have as little as +2.0 dB S/N and it would still play. I am going to predict that 1.8 and 2.4 meter offset antennas pointed at 107 with our special single satellite Extended Ku-band LNBF for 107 West should work as far south as Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Little Rock and Memphis. Areas further south than these will likely find Anik G1 reception completely impossible----I have been hoping for some kind of miracle so that 2.4 meter antenna of the offset type might play in southern locales such as Atlanta and Nashville. Further testing will give more accurate results, but I would be thoroughly surprised if Mexico ends up in this picture"

Mexipatdf

Jun 22, 2013, 5:39 PM

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In the link below, the satellite´s footprint map (Extended Ku Band North America)

http://www.telesat.com/...rochure_anikg1_0.pdf

hodamayo

Jun 23, 2013, 11:31 AM

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Guys I set these systems up in Cancun and Playa Del Carmen using the 75E antennas. I use a Super Buddy for my signal which gives me the option to use the KU or the XKU LNB. I start out on 107 to find my signal then begin to tweak it out. My highest signal on the meter is usually about an 87, which equates to a 91 to 93 on the receiver after the download has finished. Works fine in my area. I am happy to answer any questions for my area.
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Mexipatdf

Jun 23, 2013, 11:37 AM

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Yes, I understand that a 75 works fine in your area, (that´s for Anik F1 and Anik F2), but according to Anik G1´s footprint map, the new channels are not available in Mexico.

hodamayo

Jun 23, 2013, 12:16 PM

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Could be true, I have not had an update on my meter giving me the option to search for that satellite, but when I call up shaw I am told that by using the new XKU LNB that it picks up the 3rd satellite automatically. All the Canadian I hook this up for tell me that they are getting every channel offered by Shaw. I could not tell you anymore, if the footprint is not in Mexico then there really is not much you could do other than setting up a Slingbox there and get it off your Internet.
Mike Mayo
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998 285 2985 office
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johanson / Moderator

Jun 23, 2013, 3:11 PM

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Just for the heck of it, I went to www.lyngsat.com and counted the number of channels available before the new bird was launched and counted 465 channels. Anik G-1 will offer us an additional 114 channels. (I counted rapidly and I could be off by a few 2% points. I counted fast.)

Now of the older or existing 465 channels, only 76 are HD channels and the remaining 389 are SD channels, radio station channels, and music channels.

The breakdown on the new bird, Anik G-1 is much different, of the 114 new channels 88 will be HD and only 26 will be allocated to SD, radio, and music stations.

Just to confuse you, the old HD video is in digicipher 2, while the new HD is in MPEG-4.

I'm up north for another week where I can get signals from the new bird, many of which are in French which I can't understand very much of. (But made learning Spanish much easier)

EDIT: I was counting different stations which does not mean different transponders. And yes the bandwidth needed for an HD station is much larger the required for an SD station and an audio feed, be it a radio station or music feed use even less. So the satellite with the most music and radio stations would many more channels than one that only broadcasts HD

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Mexipatdf

Jun 23, 2013, 3:27 PM

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Since now you´re up north you may also want to check with the new channel list below, which includes the new channels.

http://www.shawdirect.ca/...ombined-channels.pdf

johanson / Moderator

Jun 23, 2013, 4:59 PM

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Thank you MEXD. I made a copy of that list a while back (sadly on a B/W laser printer) and was confused by it. For example on the old classical menu and on a Shaw Direct system, channel 289 is NBC Seattle in HD and that is what you pick up when turned to that channel. Yet the Shaw Direct schedule you referred to says its on 063 on the classic menu and on the advanced menu, channel 563.

Could it be that when you add the new LNB that the channel numbers are changed as well? Yes, I know that there will be more channels and therefore more channel numbers will be added, but will the old classic channel numbers change as well? At the moment, where I am, all I have is DirecTV. I have access to Shaw Direct and a 600 receiver on Vancouver Island, but not here in Seattle.

prorader

Jul 2, 2013, 11:32 AM

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I live in the mountains east about 1 1/2 hour east of Ajijic and I am sitting here right now watching wicked tuna just fine, they also took my payment out of my US bank on Jul 1. I do not know about new channels, do not care I like what I am getting just fine. JO Pete

stevebrtx

Jul 2, 2013, 2:24 PM

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Yes, they sucked out my monthly and an international "fee"? - as per normal yesterday from my Compass account, no problems, but I am annoyed and not sure at whom, but last Sat night the Kentucky NASCAR race was supposed to be on TSN ch 400, it said it on the schedule, it said it on the screen but it was any sport but NASCAR?
http://www.chapalaweather.net

Mexipatdf

Jul 3, 2013, 6:54 PM

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I think there is an error on that Shaw listing, I´ve checked the pdf they have on their website with packages available and the US networks on HD are on the 320´s.
I have a 500 receiver and yes that is the correct numbering in my case (the 320´s).

DavidHF

Jul 3, 2013, 6:57 PM

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Mexipatdf

Jul 4, 2013, 8:57 AM

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You´re right, and in the advanced lineup in the 320´s (as far as I know), the pdf mentioned above, listed them in Advanced lineup in the 500´s but I don´t believe they have been moved.

hodamayo

Jul 5, 2013, 6:55 AM

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That really depends on which Province you are signed up with, there are like 4 sets of networks available
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Mexipatdf

Jul 5, 2013, 9:40 AM

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For the big 4 US networks in HD there are only the 2 feeds East (Detroit) and West (Seattle).
In SD the East feed (Detroit) and 2 West feeds (Seattle, Spokane).

The Shaw brochure linked below lists the HDs in the 320´s - Advanced Lineup.

http://www.shawdirect.ca/...nglish_East_0313.pdf

DavidHF

Jul 6, 2013, 4:58 PM

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You left out Rochester (FOX).

johanson / Moderator

Jul 6, 2013, 7:22 PM

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I knew someone was going to mention Rochester. Years ago there were two western cities, Seattle and Spokane, Wa, and two east coast cities ,Detroit and some cities, as I recollect, in the state of NY.

You can tell I am from the west coast :). I know almost nothing about the East Coast. :)

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DavidHF

Jul 7, 2013, 10:49 AM

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Coast to coast fun facts: There are a lot of people on the east coast. So many that the US TV networks are East coast centric. The San Francisco earth quake known as Loma Prieta occurred at 5:04 PM local time. However, the networks reported that it occurred at 8:04PM Eastern time!

The West coast consists of 3 states, however it takes 15 states to define the East coast!

And finally:
A Guide to U.S. Newspapers

1. The Wall Street Journal is read by the people who run the country.
2. The New York Times is read by people who think they run the country.
3. The Washington Post is read by people who think they should run the country.
4. USA Today is read by people who think they ought to run the country but don't really understand the Washington Post. They do, however like the smog statistics shown in pie charts.
5. The Los Angeles Times is read by people who wouldn't mind running the country, if they could spare the time, and if they didn't have to leave L.A. to do it.
6. The Boston Globe is read by people whose parents used to run the country.
7. The New York Daily News is read by people who aren't too sure who's running the country, and don't really care as long as they can get a seat on the train.
8. The New York Post is read by people who don't care who's running the country either, as long as they do something really scandalous, preferably while intoxicated.
9. The San Francisco Chronicle is read by people who aren't sure there is a country, or that anyone is running it; but whoever it is, they oppose all that they stand for. There are occasional exceptions if the leaders are handicapped minority, feministic atheist dwarfs, who also happen to be illegal aliens from ANY country or galaxy as long as they are democrats.
10. The Miami Herald is read by people who are running another country, but need the baseball scores.