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Cynthia7

Feb 2, 2006, 9:03 PM

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I bought a hunk of that pasta you make pastry out of at Cosco's..Have any wonderful ideas what to do with it?? I have buttered and cinnamon'd and sugared it. It was certainly reasonable and so far..delicious.



jennifer rose

Feb 2, 2006, 9:07 PM

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My late mother claimed that it made the best pie crust -- after a sojourn in the freezer.

I've been served empandas and tuna pie (with the crust rolled out very thinly) out of the same.


Anonimo

Feb 3, 2006, 4:34 AM

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Is this pasta hojaldre, or puff pastry, of which you write? Or something else entirely?

Buen provecho,
Anonimo


Gayla

Feb 3, 2006, 12:00 PM

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Anonimo is right, what you've got is puff pastry and it is incredibly versatile. Do you want sweet or savory, it lends itself to either flavor profile extremely well.

Roll it out as square as you can get it, at least 12" x 12", brush with butter, sprinkle with grated cheese and seasonings of your choice. With a pizza wheel, or very sharp knife, cut into strips. Grab each strip by the ends and twist. Place on a baking sheet and bake in a very hot oven, 425* for about 8 mintues, or until lightly browned and you've got cheese straws.

Roll it and cut it into triangles and starting at one end roll up until you've got a crescent shape. Curve ends so that it resembles a croissant, brush with an egg wash or milk, bake in a 375* oven until done. You've got croissants for breakfast.

Roll out into a big square and cut into smaller squares, say about 5" x 5" square but you can make them any size you want. Cut one of the squares into smaller strips and set aside. Dock squares of dough, which basically means prick small holes in the dough using the tines of a fork. Brush edges of square with egg wash and place on of the reserved strips along each edge, you're creating a nest for a filling. Brush entire pastry square with egg wash and bake in a hot oven until golden. You can then fill the resulting square nest with whatever you want from chicken a la king to guava mousse. Alternately, you can also par bake the shell to get the sides to rise and then put the filling in and finish baking.

You can make danish out of puff pastry. You can make turnovers with any kind of filling you want. When flavored or filled with savory components you get great little appetizers for snacking or with drinks.

Puff pastry is made by continually turning and layering butter with the basic flour/water paste to create lots of layers in the internal structure of the dough. The resulting dough has the fat evenly distributed throughout so that as it gets hot from baking, steam forms from the liquid and causes the layers to rise and separate. Puff pastry is an easy dough to work with and can be very forgiving of the bakers errors :-).

There are a couple of easy tips to keep in mind in order to achieve the best results. To get the optimal rise out of the layers, cut the dough using the sharpest instrument your got. A pastry or pizza wheel/cutter works really well. Barring that, very sharp knife with a thin blade will work. Using a dull edge to cut the dough presses the layers together so that they can't rise very well. The sharper and thinner the edge, the cleaner the cut and the less compression of the edges you'll get. The other really important thing to remember about working with puff pastry is that it's best cooked in a very hot oven. You're trying to make steam, and you're going to make it faster at 400-450* than you are at 325-350*. The quicker you can make the steam, the easier it is for the layers to rise and the end product to get crispy.

The possibilties are endless, just have fun with it and think of it as a blank canvas for creativity.


Anonimo

Feb 3, 2006, 12:12 PM

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Puff pastry (pasta hojaldre) is versatile, I'll agree, but strictly speaking, you cannot make Danish Pastries nor true croissants from it. Those are made from a fermented yeast dough, ones which are laminated with butter or shortening. That is the end of the similarity.

Bien provecho,
Anonimo


Gayla

Feb 3, 2006, 1:18 PM

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Ummm...............it's my understanding that puff pastry dough is a laminated dough and that danish dough is, essentially, puff dough with the addition of yeast. Also, puff doesn't contain sugar, but danish dough does, or at least a lot of the recipes I've seen for danish dough use sugar (gotta feed those yeasty beasties).

It's true that you can't make true danish from puff pastry, but it does make a pretty good alternative if craving or need be :-D


Anonimo

Feb 3, 2006, 4:28 PM

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It's true that you can't make true danish from puff pastry, but it does make a pretty good alternative if craving or need be :-D

Ok, in a pinch, it will do. But Danish dough, while a laminated dough, also has milk, as well as sugar, while most puff pastry has neither. Then, one could make a "Danish pastry" from croissant dough, which is more closely related to Danish than either is to puff pastry. The fermentation makes the distinction significant, IMO.

Bringing the discussion back to Mexican pastry, have you observed how the pastry Campechanas are made? I had a chance to watch this, some years ago, in the Panadería La Flor de México en Zacatecas. I can go on, or stop here...

Saludos,
Anonimo


dolores57

Feb 3, 2006, 4:48 PM

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Anonimo As a baker maybe you can enlighten me on pastry in Mexico. I have never had a good one. They are always like cardboard. Whats up with that? Also I have never had decent bread...you know beautiful rustic thick crusted loaves. All I have ever been able to find are bolillos which are ok if they are fresh but.....sorry I gotta go with the Italians on the bread deal.


sfmacaws


Feb 3, 2006, 5:05 PM

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Re: [Anonimo] Pasta pastry

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Yes, I would like you to go on Anonimo. Perhaps start another topic on mexican baking and breads?

I've always thought that the flour here is part of the reason everything tastes different. I surmised that there is not the hard, winter wheat that you find up north and that must be part of the difference. Flour is one of the things I try to cross the border with in sufficient amounts for the whole winter.


Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán




Ron Pickering W3FJW


Feb 3, 2006, 5:23 PM

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Also, for us non-bakers, what are your thoughts on those automatic bread baking machines that one just dumps the ingrediates in, turn them on and take a siesta for an hour or two.? When you wake up, you have a fresh loaf of bread waiting for you.
Getting older and still not down here.


Anonimo

Feb 3, 2006, 5:35 PM

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Also, for us non-bakers, what are your thoughts on those automatic bread baking machines that one just dumps the ingrediates in, turn them on and take a siesta for an hour or two.? When you wake up, you have a fresh loaf of bread waiting for you.


I'll take this question first. We have discussed this for a while on lonelyplanet.com Thorn Tree "Get Stuffed Branch". My conclusion is that it's a convenience for busy career people. I don't believe that it can equal bread made by hand or mixer, and baked in a proper oven.
But, it's not evil, just not necessary for retired persons who ought to have more free time to enjoy hands-on bread making.

Saludos,
Anonimo


Gayla

Feb 3, 2006, 5:39 PM

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No, go on, I too, would be interested in hearing about the pastry Campechanas make. As much as I love Mexican food I will admit that Mexican pastries have not always been terribly high on my list of favorite things, too dry and not sweet enough. My pastry palate is too Eurocentric, I guess <sigh> . There is a chapter in one of the Diana Kennedy cookbooks where she describes her experience working in a panaderia in D.F.. That has always been one of my favorite passages from her collective works.


Anonimo

Feb 3, 2006, 5:41 PM

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Re: [sfmacaws] Pasta pastry

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Jonna, I don't know the exact gluten percentage of the bread flour I buy here...

I'm looking now: It's "OPTIMA", from Harinera Guadalupe, and there are 11 gms of protein (not necessarily all of which is available gluten) per 100 gms of flour. That's pretty high strength, iMO, and I have no problem making nice breads from it. My problem is our wimpy oven.

I buy this flour in 10 kg bags, but it is also available in smaller, consumer packages, as well as a 44 kg costal.

Saludos,
Anonimo


Anonimo

Feb 3, 2006, 5:52 PM

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Re: [dolores57] Pasta pastry

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Dolores, you can get better bread in Mexico City, Puebla and Oaxaca (and I imagine, in Guadalajara) but you have to look.
I think one reason that the bread here tends to be what it is, is that most small bakeries' ovens lack steam injection, which helps make a crisper crust, and almost all doughs have added sugar and yeast, to speed fermentation. That combo results in a poorer product, prone to rapid staling.
Mexican breads are best eaten within 8-12 hours after they come from the oven.

But, consider this: time is money, and the hard working panadero makes a small profit as it is, for many hours of hand work. So there is a tendency to want to get the production moving quickly, often at a sacrifice in quality.
Almost everytime we shop at local panaderías; unless we buy galletas or elaborate panes dulces, we usually emerge with a large bagful for under $15 MXP.

Buen provecho,
Anonimo


Anonimo

Feb 3, 2006, 5:58 PM

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Re: [Gayla] Campechanas

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I'll be back in the morning...

Buenas noches,
Anonimo


Anonimo

Feb 4, 2006, 3:10 AM

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Re: [Gayla] Making Campechanas in Zacatecas

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OK; this is from memory, so I don't claim exact accuracy in my recollection.
In 1991, we visited Zacatecas for the first time. Our hotel, on Avenida Júarez, was just around the block from the delightful Plazuela Genaro Codina. (That's the plaza with the statue to Genaro Codina, posed playing a harp.) This is a good spot for foodies. Beside the stark but exemplar Menudería la Güera, is la Panadería "La Flor de México en Zacatecas." I warmed to this place quickly, which I would describe as a regular, if somewhat larger than average, Mexican bakery. The management was outstandingly friendly.

By making friends with the head cashier/manager lady*, and introducing myself as a baker from the EEUU, I was allowed to climb the stairs to the large production area above the salesroom.

There I observed, among other items, a team of three bakers making Campechanas. These are crispy, flaky and extremely sweet thin pastries, something like the "Elephant Ears" made in US bakeries.
Although the final result resembles something made from puff pastry, the technique is very different. You might wish to compare the following description, with that written by DK, as it is different.

Three bakers were seated side by side, at the large, wooden workbench:
A mass of dough was divided with a bench scraper (baker's knife) and rolled into a long cylinder. This was further cut into small segments.
The second baker rolled each piece out into a thin, oval sheet. He then smeared shortening on the ovals, and rolled each up over a broomstick rolling pin.(Basically, a dowel rod). As he rolled it up, he also stretched the dough, then slid off the rumpled piece to pass it to the third baker.

The third baker, if I recall correctly, then rolled the rumpled cylinder flat into a large, thin oval, but using granulated sugar as the rolling medium. Each dough piece was turned, and successively rolled in the sugar, before being placed on an appropriately greased full sheet pan ("charola").

As each pan became filled, it was stacked diagonally on its predecessors. (This was on the floor.) When all the pans were filled, the baking sheets were loaded into the "horno de columpios" (swinging shelves that rotate about a horizontal axis within the baking chamber, ie; a standard baker's oven.)

I don't recall how the finished and cooled product was removed from the trays.
I must say that although this was very interesting to observe, I really don't care much to eat these very sweet pastries.

I became such a habitúe of that bakery, that when we left Zacatecas, they presented me with a shop apron and a cloth cap with their logo on them. There were tearful farewells, as I took photos of the charming shop staff on duty.

*The lady manager has a very poetic and memorable name: "Rosario de las Islas del Río".
When we returned in 2001, she remembered us, and we were finally able to give her the photos.

Buen provecho, Anonimo


Caarina12

Feb 6, 2006, 8:48 AM

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Re: [Anonimo] Making Campechanas in Zacatecas

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The pan amarillo from Oaxaca is absolutely delicious! A good birote (bolillo) is also a delicious bread. From Mexicans I know, bread baking has gone seriously downhill from the recent past. Pan Bimbo and cost has a lot to do with this. Ask the locals where you live where the best bakery is, and usually you will get a better quality place.

I know that there are some incredible bakeries still in Mexico City, Puebla and Oaxaca. Pan & Co. in Puebla and Oaxaca produce European style breads: http://panetco.com/ as well as Mexican specialties.

Caarina


DoDi2


Feb 6, 2006, 10:41 AM

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I'll vouch for "Menudería la Güera"!!!


Anonimo

Feb 6, 2006, 11:19 AM

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Re: [Caarina12] Buscando Better Bakeries

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I'm still checking out the bakeries in Pátzcuaro, but one of the more appealing ones is la Panadería Sin Nombre, (Panadería de Don José) on Romero 16, half a block from C/ Navarrete. It's mostly pan dulce, but of high artistic quality. Also, I guess the fact the much of the baking equipment IS the sales area, that appeals to me as a baker. You pull product direct from bakers racks or makeshift tables, in front of the oven, in front of flour sacks, and a mixer is in a corner.



See more panaderías de Pátzcuaro here: http://www.pbase.com/...exicano&page=all

Buen provecho,
Anonimo


DoDi2


Feb 6, 2006, 4:23 PM

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Re: [Caarina12] Making Campechanas in Zacatecas

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Caarina,

I love pan de yema ;-)

Another one from oaxaca... have you ever had a 'nido'? Its a oaxacan sweet bread that's got a round center of sweet custard-like bread with an outer rim of crunchy bread with the texture and taste of pie crust.


Caarina12

Feb 6, 2006, 7:20 PM

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I haven't had the nidos, but when I was in Oaxaca, I went to a bakery and bought about 7 different kinds and ate a little bit of each one.. just to try them all! Talk about gluttony!


Anonimo

Feb 7, 2006, 1:00 AM

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Re: [DoDi2] Pan de Natas en Pátzcuaro

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We bought some attractive loaves of pan de nata and "pan de trigo" —integral yesterday from a vendor under the pan y dulces portales of La Plaza Chica. Four loaves, $24 MXP. Unfortunately, I didn't have my camera along.
I may get photos of these at home, while they last.

They are large, ovoids, the pan de natas is scored with parallel lines in its shiny crust.
The Pan de Trigo is dark, with light lines embossing the upper surface.

I just ate a half of a pan de natas, warmed with butter, and while it's good, I don't know what the excitement was about. I find it slightly dry, spongy-firm, and slightly sweet. Maybe it's meant for dunking in chocolate, as is pan de yema. Holiday visitors were buying up loaves of this stuff by half dozens.

Saludos,
Anonimo
 
 
 
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