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chinagringo


Jul 22, 2010, 6:47 AM

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Last night, we tried a new recipe from Bon Appetit that may offer a solution for some of the ground beef complaints often expressed in Mexico. I followed the recipe exactly and used an 85/15 mixture of ground chuck. We ended up with very moist/juicy burgers that were grilled to medium. The combination of butter, lemon and the spices really enhanced the beef flavor!

http://www.epicurious.com/...-Lemon-Butter-359729

I realize that lemons can be hard to come by in MX and would really be surprised if a Meyer Lemon could be found. We couldn't find a Meyer here but a regular lemon worked fine.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM




DavidHF

Jul 22, 2010, 2:05 PM

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Here at Lakeside we usually find lemons at SuperLake. As for Meyer Lemons, we have a tree do several others we know. So, all is not lost!


robt65

Jul 22, 2010, 2:12 PM

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Hi David,

David, do you know if there is a way to take a cutting from a Meyer Lemon Tree and plant it in a very large pot and it will grow? I have seen somewhere here where someone has said there were Meyer Lemon Trees for sale in (I think they said) Guadalajara. Is this so? I would sure like to buy one (2 to 5 years old) and take it home to San Juan del Rio.

Robt65


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DavidHF

Jul 22, 2010, 6:33 PM

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I"m not a gardener, still I would think you could root a cutting. Most cuttings will root in water. I don't know about Guadalajara but you can buy the Meyer Lemon trees at a couple of viveros here at Lakeside.


Hound Dog

Jul 23, 2010, 8:54 AM

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I´m quite familiar with Meyer Lemons and am not sure why using that fruit is critical to this recipe which sounds really good. If you feel you must use a citrus fruit to complete this treat, you might experiment with the popular Mexican fruit lima which looks like a plump American lemon but has a sweetish mild flavor. Seedless Persian Limes as opposed to the more astringent Mexican Limes, and widely available in Mexico, might also be good with this hamburger recipe or skip the citrus altogether. The herb butter recommended alone should make a great hamburger.

As for buying hamburger that is superior to the lean and dry hamburger meat often sold in Mexico, simply have your favorite butcher grind something similar to chuck to order while you observe and make sure your butcher does not trim all the fat off of the roast as they are prone to do here. Grind the fat with the meat and, if there is not enough fat, have your butcher supplement the fat on the roast with suet or other trimmed fat he may have in his inventory. Better still, buy your own meat grinder and purchase the proper beef at the butcher taking it home with sufficient fat and grinding it yourself. That way you know the grinder is properly sanitary, the meat is not adulterated and the hamburger meat can be consumed red to pink inside - the mark of a great hamburger.


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chinagringo


Jul 23, 2010, 9:29 AM

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Dawg:

Since this was our first attempt at this recipe, I did follow to the letter (except that the Meyer wasn't available). I can tell you that I thought that the combination of spices and enhanced by the lemon really brought out the beef flavor in an interesting way. While the recipe did not call for cheese, we did top it with a piece of sharp cheddar. The end result was a very tasty and juicy burger and a great alternative to your basic burger.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



robt65

Jul 23, 2010, 10:15 AM

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OK Group!

If you want a really fine tasting hamburger try putting the equivalent of 1/2 teaspoon of Smuckers (and only Smuckers) Orange Marmalade in a 1/4 lb patty. Then cook on the fire! Mmmmmmmmmmmm GooooD ! Wash that down with a cup of hot tea with a 1/4 teaspoon of Smuckers (and only Smuckers) Orange Marmalade in the tea. Also works for iced tea for you southern boys! It make the tea sweet with a bite!

I confess, I didn't win my stunning wife over with my charm, my handsome features or my shining personality and certainly not for my boxes of ready cash! I simply hit her and her mother with my hot marmalade tea! After that it was no turning back! Now I have to keep the Smuckers in a secret hiding place, as it has become a form of monetary payment and mordida in our household! JEJEJEJEJEJEJEJEJEJE


Robt65


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chinagringo


Aug 11, 2010, 9:20 AM

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Last night we tried a variation on this recipe. Prepared the butter mix exactly as called for but then mixed in chunks of blue cheese. Rather than a hamburger with a bun, we just did hamburger steaks. They were excellent.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



mexliving

Aug 12, 2010, 10:49 PM

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superlake store AKA rippoff store...


Peter


Aug 13, 2010, 12:03 AM

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And I was going to visit Lakeside soon so I could go there. Everyone says the prices are high but it's the only place in Mexico to find certain items, correct? There is a lot available to me in Morelia that can't be found in smaller cities. I've studied and memorized everything on the shelves in every supermarket here so am only interested in what I can't otherwise find. Does having Superlake so convenient let you take it for granted? Or do you still have to shop there but hate the prices? I've never been there, what's the deal?


bournemouth

Aug 13, 2010, 7:08 AM

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Mexliving - if you don't like Superlake's prices then don't shop there. The owners provide things that cannot be found elsewhere, are hard working and helpful. But to call it a ripoff store goes over the edge. Don't insult locals please.


chinagringo


Aug 13, 2010, 7:11 AM

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Interesting question, Peter! Many of the negative comments that you see being made about Super Lake are simply "trendy comments" to make the poster appear like they are part of the in-crowd in much the same manner that the same group criticizes the prices at local restaurants. Many are "newbies" that have no experience with the history of Super Lake and the service they have offered for many years at the Lake. Pancho recognized the opportunity many years ago and has developed one of the most successful business models that caters to the wishes/desires of the foreign community. He did this long before the arrival of Soriana, Wally World, etc. He invested his family's money in this venture and has stuck to the plan. Through his efforts, the foreign community has had a source for those specialty items not typically found in stores throughout MX. For example, he saw an opportunity to buy in bulk at Costco and break packaging down into quantities more relevant to the typical two person household. Given that some of the typical Gringo residents are either too lazy or too scared to drive to Costco in Guadalajara, this choice he made provided them with an alternative source but it also opened him up for criticism for marking up above the direct cost at Costco.

I remember a posting on one of the forums about four years ago where the poster was spending his time while his wife was shopping, weighing the packaging of repacked items. It was his contention that as a "secret shopper", he had discovered the secret behind Pancho's profits - short weights!

If one reads the comments of the DAWG, you will get a better idea of the true value of this business, if for no other reason the DAWG has lived there long enough to fully understand and grasp the concept. As for those who constantly bitch and complain, then shop elsewhere and do without some of those "special" items! Obviously enough people see the value for Pancho to have survived and been successful this long and I seriously doubt that he considered packing up when he saw Wally World coming to town.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



Peter


Aug 13, 2010, 7:50 AM

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Thanks for the lowdown. I've been planning a trip out there this summer or fall. It's been over five years since I've been around Lake Chapala area, since I first came to Mexico looking for a place to settle. This summer we've gone to the beach for a few days, Mexico City for a few with a swing through Queretaro, soon it's on to Chapala ostensibly to visit Superlake.

I've been advised to bring a big wallet or a short shopping list. It should be like a trip to Costco or Sam's, stop in to get a box of Bisquick only and end up spending $3k. It should be fun.

It may have been earlier in this thread I first heard about Johnny Rocket's but was unfamiliar with that chain. I found one in Mexico so we stopped in. Excellent! First time for Tere to try onion rings - those were the highlight of the visit for her. I had no idea the size of those burgers and ordered us each a double and a malt. Could hardly walk when we left. It took two hours of walking around to feel normal again. Great burgers.


DavidHF

Aug 13, 2010, 8:04 AM

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tashby

Aug 13, 2010, 8:14 AM

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Mexicans shop there, too.


Peter


Aug 13, 2010, 8:38 AM

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Mexicans shop there, too.

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Vichil

Aug 13, 2010, 9:11 AM

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I wonder if all the Tapatios who shop at Superlake considered themselves ripped off , they must enjoy it as their number is increasing rather than diminishing.
We have not left Mexico for several years and when we left it was for France. Superlakes´prices are way lower than any two bit French supermarket carrying imported items.

We go there to get produce and items we cannot make or find anywhere else and I can tell you that for the 6 months we live in Chiapas we really miss Superlake especially for their good selection of Asiatic products. We buy Asiatic products from Chinese restaurants in San Cristobal but their prices are higher than those of Superlake´s.

It is fashionable in some people´s mind not to buy at Superlake and buy at local stores, good for them but I will continue to go there and pay whatever when I really want something and am thankful t hey are there. I also go to the tianguis and corner stores.

The beauty of the town is that everyone has the opportunity to buy at any of the places mentioned. There is a choice which most people do not have in most other cities.


Hound Dog

Aug 13, 2010, 9:26 AM

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Thanks for the lowdown. I've been planning a trip out there this summer or fall. It's been over five years since I've been around Lake Chapala area, since I first came to Mexico looking for a place to settle. This summer we've gone to the beach for a few days, Mexico City for a few with a swing through Queretaro, soon it's on to Chapala ostensibly to visit Superlake.

I've been advised to bring a big wallet or a short shopping list. It should be like a trip to Costco or Sam's, stop in to get a box of Bisquick only and end up spending $3k. It should be fun.

It may have been earlier in this thread I first heard about Johnny Rocket's but was unfamiliar with that chain. I found one in Mexico so we stopped in. Excellent! First time for Tere to try onion rings - those were the highlight of the visit for her. I had no idea the size of those burgers and ordered us each a double and a malt. Could hardly walk when we left. It took two hours of walking around to feel normal again. Great burgers.

Ah, yes, Peter:

Johnny Rockets. Fabulous place. At one time it was reputed that they would open in the new shopping mall on the Ajijic libramiento but perhaps not. When I get over my current bout with amoebas picked up on the slopes of the Tacaná Volcano outside of Tapachula, I´m off to Guadalajara for a vist to Johnny Rockets, the best burgers just about anywhere. Maybe it´s a good thing they may not open in Ajijic. That place is burger heaven.

It´s a shame that there are those uninformed individuals both at Lakeside and living in other parts of Mexico and elsewhere who take potshots at Super Lake - a national treasure for Mexico started and developed over the years by a local who spotted an opportunity to serve the large foreign community and frequent Tapatio visitors at Lakeside and has grown that endeavor into the single best specialty grocer in the country - a store with an inventory of international groceries one would find in few places in the U.S. or Europe as well. I can tell you this, a trip from Michoacan over to Lakeside is well worth your while despite the high prices which are quite reasonable considering prices back in the U.S. and, God help us, France, where prices are obscene. Many of these items are not available for import into Mexico and Pancho brings these items in just for Super Lake. Remember that we spend six months in San Cristóbal de Las Casas and six months in Ajijic. When we head for San Cristóbal our car is filled with numerous items from Super Lake that we cannot find in Chiapas nor, in many instances, anywhere in Mexico except for Super Lake. We have lived in Mexico for over nine years and have maintained a home in Chiapas since 2006. Super Lake is a treasure and no amount of grousing by cheeseparers will hurt Pancho nor reflect negatively upon his accomplishment.

For those of you who do not live in the foreign retirement colony at Lakeside, just be aware that complaining of prices at Super Lake and in various restaurants around town catering to Tapatios and foreigners is a local, unpleasant sport. Do not take these repetitively boring carpers seriously. If you want to see outrageous prices in a major world capital where, even if you are willing to pay, you may have diffculty finding what you need for that exotic dinner you are planning, head for Paris or, for that matter, anywhere in France or Rome or, perhaps, large U.S. cities and you will return here properly chastised and thanking God for your good fortune at living here at Lakeside thanks to Pancho whose service to this community is nonpareil.


chinagringo


Aug 13, 2010, 6:31 PM

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Please correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Pancho also own PAZ and the new Hole in One Restaurant? Although I have read some good reviews of the special menu at the Hole in One, I haven't been down to try it yet. As for PAZ, we have certainly seen the improvement in selection (especially in wines) over the last ten years and have always felt that their prices were competitive.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



Finnegan

Aug 23, 2010, 4:59 PM

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We're referring to a grocery store a "national treasure." Woah. That is intense. You know, it's amazing that I have been able to survive in Oaxaca this long without visiting "Lakeside" and this "national treasure." Come to think of it; I am getting sick of only eating rice, beans, and corn tortillas. We are pretty uncivilized down here. I count myself lucky it I can find some Prego pasta sauce and fusilli.


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Hound Dog

Aug 24, 2010, 8:49 AM

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We're referring to a grocery store a "national treasure." Woah. That is intense. You know, it's amazing that I have been able to survive in Oaxaca this long without visiting "Lakeside" and this "national treasure." Come to think of it; I am getting sick of only eating rice, beans, and corn tortillas. We are pretty uncivilized down here. I count myself lucky it I can find some Prego pasta sauce and fusilli.

As one who lives up the street from Super Lake at Lake Chapala, the Mexican equivalent of Lourdes for local connoisseurs as well as San Cristóbal de Las Casas, home of some of the most accomplished indigenous cuisine in North America; and as one who visits Oaxaca often, dining very well there among locals at their homes although admittedly finding the restaurant scene in Oaxaca City pretty dismal and tourist oriented in general, I would suggest that Finnegan expand his/her circle of acquaintances in Oaxaca to include some locals familiar with ingredients other than the rice, beans and tortillas that he reports he eats ad nauseum and disdains and the occasional Prego Pasta Sauce he praises upon which he dines when "lucky".

When I have made my semi-annual journey from Lake Chapala to Chiapas in the past; my car loaded with goodies from Super Lake, I have never brought jars of commercially prepared pasta sauces such as the Prego brand since, in Chiapas, we have all the fresh ingredients needed to make pasta sauces at home. It´s only a few hours drive, however, from Oaxaca to Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas´ capital city where Prego Pasta Sauce and many other imported sauces can be easily found at the huge Chedraui anchor box store at the fancy Plaza Cristal Mall in that city. No need to travel all the way from Oaxaca to Lake Chapala for that sort of item. Go there for that Roquefort Cheese or fresh lump crab meat or the hundreds of other specialty items you can´t find easily in Southern Mexico.

As for hamburger meat, there is only one way to properly prepare wholesome hamburger meat in Southern Mexico. If in Chiapas, one must visit a trusted butcher or a large box store, Sam´s Club has huge outlets in both Tuxtla Gutierrez and San Cristóbal, and purchase high quality beef roast cuts with sufficient fat to make sure the meat remains moist and succulent after cooking, and grind the beef in one´s home meat grinder. Alternatively, one can have the butcher at one of these chain outlets grind the beef at the store if one does not have a home grinder but I woud advise against buying pre-packaged ground hamburger meat in Chiapas where mystery meat abounds and food handling practices can be pretty gross and unhealthy.


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DavidHF

Aug 24, 2010, 6:38 PM

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Please correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Pancho also own PAZ and the new Hole in One Restaurant? Although I have read some good reviews of the special menu at the Hole in One, I haven't been down to try it yet. As for PAZ, we have certainly seen the improvement in selection (especially in wines) over the last ten years and have always felt that their prices were competitive.

Stand corrected; Pancho opperates SuperLake, his older brother Polo owns it. Another brother owns PAZ Vinos y Licores, and yet another brother, Antonio, owns Tony's Meat Market. Pancho owns and operates the Hole-in-One.


chinagringo


Aug 25, 2010, 6:19 AM

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Thanks for the correction, David! I had the feeling that my accuracy should be questioned/corrected.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



Camille

Aug 25, 2010, 6:44 PM

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I'll be returning to Chapala from Nayarit early September and will happily share Meyer lemon cuttings. I have Ponderosas too. I would take the cuttings the day I leave, dip them in Rootone, and you can pick them up from me in Ajijic. Traderspoc, I'll have your lemon basil seeds too.


robt65

Aug 25, 2010, 8:37 PM

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Hey Camille,

You are a doll! Can you put me down for one of each Meyer and Pondorosa? You are a sweet woman. I will have to go to Brownsville this week for two days to get my scrips from the VA and I will get some Miracle Grow at the same time.

Robt65
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