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LindaM

Sep 21, 2005, 7:28 PM

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I have a copy of Jalisco's driving exam and must surely be mistranslating question #22. It reads: "Es permitida la vuelta a la izquierda con la luz del semaforo en rojo?" The correct answer, according to their own answer sheet is A: "Si, siempre y cuando se provenga e ingrese a calles de un solo sentido de circulacion, previo alto total, respetando la prelacion de paso del peaton, sin que exista senalamiento que lo prohiba y que no sea vehiculo de servicio colectivo publico de pasajeros." Answer B would have been what I would have chosen: "No, porque la ley y reglamiento de transito solamente lo permiten a la derecha." Am I misunderstanding answer A or have they most likely made a mistake as to the correct answer?



song_of_joy

Sep 21, 2005, 9:19 PM

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Essentially, it's the old "right on red after stopping" adapted to permit "left on red after stopping when turning onto a one-way street (going left)."

I believe A is the correct answer. The law was passed several years ago.


LindaM

Sep 22, 2005, 6:16 AM

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Well thanks! I love learning something new!


Carron

Sep 22, 2005, 11:01 AM

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While I have not read this, the left turn on red is what I have long observed here in Mexico. Drive carefully.


quevedo

Sep 22, 2005, 5:05 PM

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Sólo se permite la vuelta a la derecha con luz roja.

Saludos reglamentarios,

Quevedo


song_of_joy

Sep 23, 2005, 8:35 PM

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Perdón, mi querido Quevedo. Usted es todo un caballero y yo sé que es de muy mala educación contradecirte.

But I'm quoting a note published in Público.

Also, my sons took the driving course at Tránsito in Guadalajara (which, they say, consisted partially in quoting the law -- which they purchased, naturally -- to talk their way out of a traffic ticket).

As I understand it, this is fairly recent and dates to a PAN administration.

Perdón de nuevo. Aún te admiro y respeto. Es que soy m-u-u-u-y gringa y un poco bruta.
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quevedo

Sep 24, 2005, 1:17 PM

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Estimada Canción de Alegría (lindo nombre):

No tienes que pedir disculpas por nada. ¿Desde cuándo decir lo que uno piensa y sabe es mala educación? Una de las mayores contribuciones de tu país, los Estados Unidos, fue precisamente el establecer una plataforma de libertad que después, gracias a Dios, se extendió a muchos otros lugares. Tienes libertad de expresión para decir lo que quieras en este foro, y el hecho de que seas norteamericana no te hace más ni menos inteligente que el resto de las personas.

Quisiera volver al tema del reglamento de tránsito (y confieso que no lo reviso desde hace tiempo): si es verdad que se permite aquí en Guadalajara, donde vivo y manejo todos los días, dar vuelta a la izquierda con luz roja, tengo que decir que nunca he visto esa norma aplicada en ningún semáforo de la ciudad. Lo que sí he observado es que se puede en muchas esquinas dar vuelta a la derecha con precaución cuando está la luz roja, como sucede también en los Estados Unidos, right turn on red after stop.

Muchas gracias por contradecirme, amiga. Así me das la oportunidad de aprender cosas nuevas.

Un saludo cordial,

Quevedo


jerezano

Sep 25, 2005, 7:25 PM

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Hello,

It is a Texas law that a person travelling on a one way street at an intersection with a one way street going to the left MAY INDEED make a left turn and go left on that one way street, after a stop, due concern for pedestrians, and oncoming traffic even if the light is red unless there is a sign prohibiting a turn on a red light. Hardly anybody knows this.

The right turn on red after stop seems to be known by every Winter Texan and native Texan but not by Mexican visitors.

Note carefully that both the street you are on and the intersecting street to the left MUST be one way streets to make that left turn. A turn to the right after stop may be made from a two way street into a two way street.

Now A: "Si, siempre y cuando se provenga e ingrese a calles de un solo sentido de circulacion, previo alto total, respetando la prelacion de paso del peaton, sin que exista senalamiento que lo prohiba y que no sea vehiculo de servicio colectivo publico de pasajeros." Translates more or less as

Yes, always and when one is exiting from and entering onto one way streets, after a total stop, due care to the passage of pedestirians, and without a sign showing that the left turn is prohibited on a red light and that the vehicle you are driving is not a public transport vehicle.

Again note carefully that the street you are on and the intersecting street to the left MUST both be one way streets. Neither can you be driving a taxi, a pesero, a bus or any other vehicle in which you are transporting passengers for hire.

This is equivalent to the Texas law referred to above.

BUT, I recommend you don't try it. Answer the question correctly on the examination, but don't try to put it into practice. After all, in Guadalajara as in Mexico City, the transitos are looking for mordidas. A tourist friend of mine received a bite on two consecutive days at different sites in Guadalajara for doing exactly the same things that the Mexican cars we were following did in front of those same two policemen. One was to make a right turn into a Y in the right lane with the painted arrow and no semaphores. Exactly what everyone else was doing and exactly what the signals said to do. Sometimes you can't win even if you don't give the transitos a chance to bite. They will bite anyway.

Adios. jerezano.


(This post was edited by jerezano on Sep 25, 2005, 7:34 PM)
 
 
 
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