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Plume


Jun 22, 2008, 10:17 PM

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I am wondering if any one has recently built a home (2007/2008), and if so if they would be willing to share general figures for construction costs. I have read through all of the wonderful information on the site regarding construction, and have visited Rolly's site many times (thanks Rolly), but much of the information is now a little dated. My husband and I have recently bought land, and will be meeting with an architect in the fall. Much as I fantasize about my ideal home, I would like to be practical and an estimate of costs per square metre would be great. We will be building a concrete structure with a palapa roof - so far have been told about 600 pesos a square metre. Does this sound right?

I am a 'lurker' (for several years!), usually only have time to read or post, so I read. I really appreciate all of the help, wisdom, humour that you all provide! This is by far the best, and possibly the most real/honest source of information on living in Mexico.

Cheers,
Plume

P.s. What happened to Bubba?



Judy in Ags


Jun 23, 2008, 9:10 AM

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I don't know the per meter cost. We are in the midst of supervising the construction of my brother-in-law's house. He made the mistake (against our advise) of planning a very American-style house. In fact, the blueprint was done by an American and then converted to English measurements, etc. Unfortunately, nothing was done to account for the difference in the width of the walls, etc.

Back to the costs, though. Back in December we bought a lot of steel for both our places (gates, etc. here) and roof, etc. at his place because we knew the costs were going up in January. That saved us a lot of money. However, the cost of steel has soared again since that and people who work with it say that it will continue to rise. Of course the costs of other materials continue to rise, but more incrementally.

I'm attaching a photo, but the huge peaks and dormers are still to be constructed.

Best wishes to you on your construction project.
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Rolly / Moderator


Jun 23, 2008, 9:23 AM

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Hi Plume,

The cost information on my website isn't "a little dated;" it's a whole lot dated. I have contemplated removing the cost numbers so as not to mislead readers.

In the five years since the projects were completed, the cost of steel and cement have skyrocketed. Labor has gone up some, but the big factor is materials. I would guess my building cost numbers are at least 25% below today's costs, and it might be more.

Rolly Pirate

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sandykayak


Jun 23, 2008, 10:51 AM

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Nice shirt, Rolly. Sort of color coordinates with the beard :)

I love that you change your pic periodically...I, OTOH, can't do that since I've gained weight since mine was taken in 2003!! ;(
Sandy Kramer
Miami, Fla & El Parque


morgaine7


Jun 23, 2008, 7:36 PM

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600 pesos per sq. meter can't be right. I paid 500+ (labor and materials plus contractor's cut) just to have saltillo flooring installed in January 2008.

1 sq. meter = 10.7639 sq. feet
600 pesos per square meter = 55.7419 pesos per square foot
Peso is about 10.32 to the dollar, so about $5.40 per square foot

That would mean you could build a 3,000 sq. ft. house for around $16,200. Costs will vary depending on where you're building, but still ...

Kate


cristalhombre


Jun 23, 2008, 9:20 PM

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I'm going to "piggy-back" on Rolly's comments about material/construction costs.

I have been a wholesale flat glass broker for almost 30 years. Here is what is happening in my world, related to construction material costs.

Flat glass, (most of you will relate to a window in your home) a very common building component for both residential and commercial building, has rapidly escalated in price in the past 5 years.

Both domestic + imported flat glass has increased at least 60% for annealed (raw) flat glass costs in the past 5 years. On top of this the major producers have added what is known as a "fuel surcharge" and today that fee is a 14% (on average) cost that is added to each container load of glass. This fee was introduced about 4 years ago and I do not see that it will go away.

In the past two weeks the majors: PPG, LOF, Asahi, Pilkington-China have anticipated that orders shipped after Dec 2008 will be priced 9% more than today. So the increases continue.

In a nutshell, when you add all this together, it would not be far off to say that glass has almost doubled in cost at my level as a broker.

The obvious factor here is energy costs. The older float lines (glass production) facilities are closing due to their age and inefficient cost structure. This results in commodity supply reduction and of course has the demand side of the equation elevated and pricing is fairly easy to "lift" when that happens. Just like the gas pump! Also the weak dollar is a significant reason as well.

I thought this small example might be helpful as to the questions about building costs as compared to 5 years ago.

Rolly - I would agree that you might want to "update" some of the costs on your very popular website. I have not visited it recently, but I expect that most of the prices are "light" if it is more than a couple years old.





"NOT ALL WHO WANDER ARE LOST...."


Plume


Jun 23, 2008, 9:20 PM

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You are right Morgaine7, I should have said 600 dollars per square metre which is about $60 per square foot. Thanks for catching the gaff!

Plume


N2Futur

Jun 24, 2008, 10:52 AM

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We are building a 210 m2 house in Melaque (completion of construction is 4 1/2 months overdue now). Construction cost here (we started last August) is running us about US$470 per m2. Our architect/builder has upped his future construction cost to about $590 per m2. He says he's not making any money on this construction. The $470 m2 price tag did not include raising the perimeter walls, aljibe, third floor mirador (palapa construction), staircase to third floor.

Recommended reading: "Gringos in Paradise" - we have encountered very similar frustrating situations like this couple.

Make sure that your contract with your builder specifically states what IS INCLUDED. It's been a learning curve for us and the architect/builder as well.

Good luck!

Elke
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(This post was edited by N2Futur on Jun 24, 2008, 10:54 AM)


Esteban

Jun 24, 2008, 1:43 PM

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Your prices, even the higher one at $590 a square meter is VERY good. With the price of materials going up all over the world including steel, cement, copper and whatever else you are using that is used elsewhere your price seems extraordinary. And, as to the overdue time, that's quite normal almost anywhere in the world. 50% of the job is getting the people to show up and do the work.


toucantango


Jun 24, 2008, 5:57 PM

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Does anyone know if the costs are in the same range (600 MX/sq ft) Lakeside. I'd be very interested in hearing from someone who has those numbers.




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Esteban

Jun 24, 2008, 6:40 PM

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I would also like to add that price per meter or whatever is very very dependent on a million other factors. It's difficult to even compare when one man's castle is another man's hovel.


Judy in Ags


Jun 25, 2008, 9:52 AM

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A 3,000 square foot house for $16,200 IMHO is not even remotely possible. We are in the process of building our 2nd approximately 4,000 square foot house and ours cost WAY more than that* and this second one will be much, much more with the rising prices.

Even the cost of the property has at least tripled in the 7 years since we bought it.

*We recently spent more than $6,000 (USD) to build a large cistern.


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N2Futur

Jun 25, 2008, 11:27 AM

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The 5000 liter aljibe we added in March of this year cost us 13,000 pesos. Raising the perimeter walls (approx. 40 meters) by 1 meter was 11,000 pesos. This included labor and materials. Now we are looking at adding a header (dala) to the perimeter walls and adding 15 (1 meter) columns in preparation for adding iron work on top of the wall. Builder quoted price of 7500 pesos for that (not including the iron work).

I hired the caretaker from across the street to remove 10 cms of sand (approx. 80 m2) and had him level the yard completely. He also removed about 30cms more in the flower borders. Then he added a dump truck load of topsoil and leveled again and installed 80 m2 of sod for me. This took him 4 1/2 days. His fee for this was 2000 pesos, which included one other friend for 1/2 day. He is a really hard worker and I will definitely use him again in the future.

Property prices here are going through the roof too. 3 years ago we could have bought our lot for 1/2 of what we paid for it last year.

Elke
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N2Futur

Jun 25, 2008, 11:43 AM

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toucantango, contact Sid Grosvenor (elsidmx@yahoo.com) - he was our realtor at Lake Chapala. He can probably give you an idea what current construction costs are. Tell him I sent ya - he's a good friend and an honest realtor to boot....

Elke
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toucantango


Jun 25, 2008, 2:32 PM

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toucantango, contact Sid Grosvenor (elsidmx@yahoo.com) - he was our realtor at Lake Chapala. He can probably give you an idea what current construction costs are. Tell him I sent ya - he's a good friend and an honest realtor to boot....

Thanks. I'll do that.




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jl1

Jun 25, 2008, 10:21 PM

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I think the most important factor in building costs is the location. Even to the level of attracting workers. Expensive areas can often be expensive for the workers as well as builders. There is also a direct relationship between the worth of a home after completion and the amount it cost to build it. Factor in the cost of the land and it is easy to understand that real estate values and location (this is an old saw), go hand in hand. A good analogy would be the cost of building in Sausalito, Ca. and Modesto, Ca. The house in Sausalito will cost at least 5 times more than the house in Modesto. The same applies all over the world.


N2Futur

Jun 26, 2008, 10:52 AM

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Gringo pricing is also a factor. I interviewed 5 different builders, looked at different houses they built to see their quality of workmanship. I got 5 different estimates ranging from US$98,000 to US$175,000.00........ We didn't choose the least expensive, we decided to go with the architect, who had really put his heart into designing the casa with me...

Elke
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jl1

Jun 26, 2008, 9:50 PM

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I agree about the Gringo factor, which many people buy into. I didn't. We hired an older, very experienced architect/builder who specializes in difficult sites. He charges the same for his Mexican clients as his Gringo ones. He is not cheap. What is interesting is that I have 2 friends who purchased their property around the same time I did. They both made the same mistake of going with cheaper builders who promised them the world, then abandoned the jobs midway. I realize that many people are getting ripped off in Mexico. It is important to know who you are dealing with, given the general lack of regulation. Our house is nearly finished and only slightly over budget, given to a mutual decision to make the house larger than originally planned. Although we paid top dollar, the house will be worth app. twice what it cost us to build. BTW, we interviewed 5 builders. The highest bid was nearly 30% more than the next highest. The highest bidder was the only American builder we interviewed. Go figure.


MichaelEL

Jun 30, 2008, 12:27 PM

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Can't speak for other areas, but my brother's house and a neighbors house are complete. These are prices in San Pancho, north of Puerto Vallerta, where gringo-factor drives up the price.

Modest construction, simple plans, tile floors, tile roof, nice wood beams, nothing really artistic, last year, $10,000 pesos/meter.

Fancy construction, artistic features, unusual design, $ 12,000-15,000-20,000 pesos/meter.

Cheapest I've heard of in San Pancho, by someone who really scrounges and deals, $ 6,000 pesos/meter. (but they have not got into finishing yet). I'm skeptical of their numbers.

We are about a decade late in buying and building in Mexico!

Michael


MitchMan

Mar 6, 2009, 5:06 PM

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Want the real facts? Materials cost for "simple construction" (simple floor plan, basic materials, simple architecture, inexpensive finishing) = $25 USD per sq ft. Direct labor cost = $25 USD per sq ft. Any amounts you pay above $50 USD per sq ft is split between what goes into the contractor's pocket and additional costs of construction that relate to cost beyond simple construction. The difference in cost per sq ft that relates to other than simple construction can be and additional $25 USD per sq ft and very easily more. That will depend on the specs that you stipulate: split levels, archways, granite counter tops, expensive wall and floor tile, high ceilings, contoured ceilings, expensive cabinetry, imaginative floor plans - OR - Matchbox floor plan, normal ceiling height, no archways, common cabinetry, $1 USD per sq ft floor tile (no wall tile), simple stock sized windows. A reasonable cost for simple construciton can be as little as $70 USD/sq ft or you can get to $125 + per sq st fairly easily. It's your call.

The caution that I want to mention relates to the contractor performance and his fee. Often times contractors may not do much if any actual work. They will simply oversee and manage his abanils (skilled but unlicensed construction worker/supervisor). They will hire labor that they pay $300 to $600 pesos per day, but give you the impression that much of the money per sq ft that you pay relates to direct labor but the reality is he is pocketing almost as much as he is paying his labor in total, usually a minimum of $20 USD per sq ft. If you do the math, a contractor will make as much or more as a Newport Beach attorney per hour on your project. With regard to performance, you absolutely must protect yourself with a good contract that includes many of the safeguards as an American construction contract would. I spent many hours writing my contracts and have had them reviewed by both American and Mexican attorneys until I was satisfied. The typical Mexican contract provided by a contractor usually only provides stipulations and specifics for his advance payments with a weak withhold % and virtually no protections for you with regard to the many, many ways things can fall short or fail with no express remedy for you in the contract. For the construction that I had done, I paid for all materials and hired an accountant to do the payroll, I paid the payroll. That takes a presence at the construction location for the entirety of the construction, well, I guess you could say I was my own contractor and I used abanils and regular workers. That way, I am able to keep my construction costs under $50 USD per sq ft consistantly...so far. Hope this helps.


RickS

Mar 7, 2009, 11:58 AM

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It's good to have new folks on the forum. I notice that you are new. One of the things that happens to newer members is that they 'reply' to a message thinking that the person 'just' posted that thought, when in fact it could be pretty old. Such was the case with your post... a response to a post that was about 9 months old. You can tell the 'age' by looking at the post date of each post which is found just under your login name.

Having said that, your post was pretty informative and interesting and probably current.


Piper Gavin

Oct 3, 2010, 7:04 PM

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Hi Plume, honestly it would be difficult to share rates because it really depends on how you establish a working relationship with the company that provides commercial building construction. In my case, we went for the more expensive name since we were afraid of taking the risk but when the project was underway, we sort of managed to be more open with our contractor and told him that we have a very tight budget, and lucky for us because he understood where we were coming from. He even suggested ways on how we can save without compromising our condo unit. We've been living in our unit now for close to 3 years and haven't experienced a single problem with the structure, plumbing, ventilation. Everything is just perfect.


Cathy Duncan


Nov 25, 2010, 11:45 PM

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Yeah dude, i agree with your post, because i had also been experiencing different setbacks when I was to go for the same thing. But, i also learnt that sometimes, the big brands also can't help you provide what you really want. Still, they're way more better than the rest.
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