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sparks


Mar 28, 2010, 11:42 AM

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Foam and channel roof

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There's a builder from Vallarta that has built a few homes in the Barra/Melaque area. All his projects use I beams as channels for foam block with about 2 inches of cement over the top. Seems like a quick method and good insulation.

Talking with home owners none seem to have the roof price separated out of the whole project and I'm wondering the relative cost. His total costs are very competitive.

I've got 5x19 meters of house walls with no roof

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Mar 28, 2010, 12:08 PM

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6 or 7 years ago when I was doing my Las Casas project, i looked at the cost of the foam inserts vs a conventional solid concrete roof. They priced about the same.

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sparks


Mar 28, 2010, 12:24 PM

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This is not foam blocks stuck between channels of rebar. It's very similar to boveda construction with I beams used as a channel for preformed foam blocks. Just replace the boveda bricks with foam and you have it. I think I heard the I beams were reinforced cement but I'm not sure

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Moisheh

Apr 1, 2010, 5:42 AM

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Sparks:

This is known as vigeta ( or bigeta) and caseton. Pardon my spelling. Very common in Sonora. It has to be cheaper than a concrete roof due to the labor costs. There are many different qualities of the concrete I beams. Some are a pre stressed concrete made by a quality block mfr. The others are made by the builder. He pours them into forms. The latter are not very well made. The styrofoam can also be of varying quality. Some are formed in a mold. Others appear to be hand cut to fit the beams. My shop is built with this method but instead of concrete above the system the builder used a mixture of small pellets ( very light) and concrete. You must use a high quality elastomeric. Do not ler the contractor add water to the sealant!! Hope this helps.

Moisheh


sparks


Apr 1, 2010, 7:50 AM

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Friends took the builder over to my house the other day. Hopefully will get a couple of quotes soon

spelling seems to be vigueta and caseton on Google

Thanks

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sparks


Apr 1, 2010, 11:05 AM

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Friends roof with vigueta and caseton





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cristalhombre


Apr 1, 2010, 7:41 PM

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Sparks

Heads up!

Here in the Pacific Northwest there is a TERRIBLE problem with a wall construction similar to your photo......... method called EIFS (exterior insulation finish systems). Many structures - newer construction types - have experienced catastrophic failures. If NOT sealed properly, water penetrates or sealants fail, moisture gets into the wall cavity, the foam material becomes a Petri dish for TOXIC mold growth - NOT GOOD!!!

Multi-million-dollar insurance claims, have been paid-out for "mold" infiltration that creates what is commonly known as "sick building syndrome". There have been cases where the entire structure is condemned/torn down due to the extent of the mold growth.

Last summer we watched the "deconstruction" of the Collins Lake Resort, below our cabin on Mount Hood. A 2 year old condo project (typical condo - cheesy construction) that was poorly built, experienced a couple of brutal NW winters, including 80" of snow (located at the base of the Timberline Ski area). After record lawsuit (largest residential construction claim in Oregon history) was over.........Traveler's + Fireman's Fund insurance paid out $24 million dollars to essentially tear the 3 year old structures apart (families had to move out for 3 months) to completely re-skin the buildings (removing all wall materials including, sheathing, insulation, sheet-rock) and install new roofs etc.

The debris had to be contained and removed to a special toxic dump site. All the workers in Tyvex bunny suits + respirators (it looked like a sci-fi movie). Carpet and bedding and any absorbent materials - had to be destroyed. Very spooky! Condos (most are weekend ski condos) originally sold for $500K and now most are empty! I understand you can buy one cheap now!

Illness (mostly respiratory) from mold spores can be fatal. nasty stuff.

Having said this....... the building envelope contractors with HIGH quality standards - that DO NOT cut corners, can do this type of work successfully. I rather doubt that you would experience that level of experienced installers with this type of construction in Mexico. Just my assumption - not knocking the work force. The EIFS installation process requires a "text book" installation procedure - KNOWLEDGE + EXPERIENCE are mandatory!

When I resealed a roof in Ajijic on a 25 year old casa - I was stunned at how poorly the various contractors described the process they would use. One guy was going to use plastic sheeting under the tiles, as the water barrier???? Finally got a team that knew what they were doing, which included the Fester rep from Guadalajara.

You might contact Fester in Guadalajara for technical assistance. They are very helpful.

If you did experience a leak in the roof membrane............... rain and heat would give the perfect opportunity for mold growth.

Unfortunately "mold" is an insidious perpetrator. Be careful. VERY CAREFUL!!!





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sparks


Apr 2, 2010, 9:10 AM

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Thanks for the thought but with a slope and not much people traffic it still sounds good to me. Just waiting on an estimate on 115 sq meters

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cristalhombre


Apr 2, 2010, 12:26 PM

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Certainly slope will help. Just as long as you approach it with concern and caution.

Attached is a link from Gen Re (one of the largest reinsurance - risk management in the world) regarding EIFS. We use Gen Re and as you might imagine they understand "risk". I work in the commercial construction business and that is why am always hesitant with "new" methods.

As you likely know, in Mexico your warranty ends about the time you pay the workers.

https://www.facworld.com/FACworld.nsf/doc/stucco





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sparks


Apr 2, 2010, 1:36 PM

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Even tho it looks to be an almost all foam roof I don't think it's going to be nearly as impermeable as the EIFS method. Even with wood stud-wall construction, trying to make the house airtight can produce some of the "non breathing" issues connected to EIFS

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On the negative side, some EIFS products can be too moisture impermeable, preventing the drying of internal wall cavities wet by small water leaks.

EIFS products - consisting of one or two coats of an acrylic topcoat over a one coat synthetic binder - are applied over foam board-stock,

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tanyakoh

Jul 5, 2010, 7:44 AM

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Hi,

Thanks for sharing the information. I just wanna share what I did in my old house in San Jose. I tried a great way to insulate the roof by spraying foam. And to make sure, you have a good seal around the edges of the fold-out stairs.
 
 
 
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