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lunarae

Oct 17, 2010, 8:11 PM

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Traveling from Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas to Brownville border, Texas

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Hi - Will be traveling to the US border from Southern Mexico in Chiapas first week of November 1st. Have rec'd conflicting information about the road conditions and the best way to cross the border into the states. Can someone direct me to where I can best find this information - or a connection to someone who recently traveled north?! Gracias ... much appreciated.
Saying goodbye to San Cristobal - a bit of heaven on earth.



Reefhound


Oct 17, 2010, 8:20 PM

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Re: [lunarae] Traveling from Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas to Brownville border, Texas

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As far as the crossing, it somewhat depends on what time and day you expect to cross and what you need to do. The Matamoros crossings are often crowded but offer all services 24/7, if you need to turn in car permits, visas, etc. Los Indios (Free Trade bridge) is usually the easiest and least crowded but immigration hours are reduced. You can't cancel your car permit there on weekends, for example. There are a half dozen or so crossings between Matamoros and Reynosa.


Altahabana


Oct 18, 2010, 6:40 AM

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Re: [lunarae] Traveling from Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas to Brownville border, Texas

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I would avoid routing through Cuidad Victoria and then north on the secondary highways in south and central Tamaulipas ( Hwy. 101/97 to Reynosa--Hwy. 101 to Matamoros). The region is not particularly stable at this time. I think you should head north to Monterrey and then use the autopistas to either Nuevo Laredo or Reynosa.


robt65

Oct 22, 2010, 5:15 AM

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Re: [lunarae] Traveling from Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas to Brownville border, Texas

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Altahama,

Hi again. As you know I take that route from one end of 101 (Tula to Matamoros) many, many times. About every six to eight weeks or so between San Juan del Rio to San Luis to Tula , C,D, Victoria to Matamoros. It is an excellent road to take and in excellent condition with one exception about 2 hours or so south of Matamoros, when last time they did have it down to one lane for a bridge replacement. Even there the traffic flowed freely and without any problems. Last time through (about 3 to 4 weeks ago), I did run in to some kind of very serious and very large (30 to 40 men and cars) road block by the Federales, just north of Victoria about 45 minutes to one hour, crossing the river) . Something must have happened earlier that morning; the rest of the trip was uneventful. I now stay overnight (if necessary) in Tula. In over three years of using MX 101 in both directions, I have never ever had any problems. only one time did I have a problem and that was on a road (not 101) going from central Victoria to 101. Hence, I now avoid stopping in Victoria at any time. There are increased check points about 4 to 6 in all on 101 especially entering C.D. Victoria from the west about 45 minutes out of the city. The road is in good condition and it is safe, so far. I guess I have been lucky on not drawing the proverbial "black bean". I am due to go back to Mexico again soon (within couple of weeks) with a new GMC Crew Cab, pulling a 30 foot travel trailer; and will once again use this same route, without any fears (but with constant precautions) until I am west of C. D. Victoria.

robt65


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Altahabana


Oct 22, 2010, 8:45 AM

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Re: [robt65] Traveling from Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas to Brownville border, Texas

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The possibility that any particular traveler will have a narco related problem on a specific trip is slight. But outside of the major cities there is no effective law enforcement as a practical matter in central Tamaulipas. Armed civilians (a euphemism if there ever was one) are regularly on the move on those highways. So is the military who are looking for them. There are routes to the border that are better secured and that was the basis for my comment.


Reefhound


Oct 22, 2010, 9:14 AM

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Re: [Altahabana] Traveling from Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas to Brownville border, Texas

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Speaking of those "armed civilians" on the roads, another thing to help stay safe is to avoid any machismo on the roads as some are prone to do. It's a good idea anywhere to avoid "road rage" and driving competitively and insisting on your motorist rights but even more so in a place where the narcos run wild with impunity. If someone is driving too slow for you, don't tailgate or honk or flash your brights. If someone thinks you're driving too slow and is tailgating, don't drive slower just to show 'em who is boss. Swallowing a bit of indignation is a lot easier than swallowing a hail of bullets.


robt65

Oct 23, 2010, 5:53 AM

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Re: [Altahabana] Traveling from Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas to Brownville border, Texas

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Hello Again Altahabana,

Good morning. With all due respect for your knowledge on a frequent basis where you reside in the North near the border, and for sure I respect that and defer to that knowledge, I would suggest that my frequent extended trips throughout Tamaulipas exceeds yours . I do not get this information second hand. I drive it frequently and not only one route. I am always trying new routes and hotels along the way. I for sufre stay away from Monterrey and any connecting routes through that city. An autopista does not guarantee safety. The first trip in a long time to Mexico and Queretaro as my destination I drove right into a firefight between the army, federales and some Narco boys. Sure it scares the hell out of you, it did me, and I am a veteran of Viet Nam. They are armed and your not. To this day I do not use any route going to Monterrey as I would then have to travel east to get to my crossing and I wont do that. Detienen a "La Araña” líder del crimen organizado en Monterrey . Check Blog del Narco and you will see Monterrey as frequently mentioned as other hot spots in Tamaulipas. For sure, more often than Highway 101. One does not have to go into C. D. Victoria to use MX 101. As for private thugs, I find as much or more of that in such cities NOB as Atlanta, Oakland, LA, San Diego, Houston, Nashville, Memphis and other cities. I also avoid these cities like the plague. And yes I do travel these cities as well.

What I am saying Altahabana is that it is my experience that MX 101 from one end to the other as well as MX 80 as traveling other two lane highways between MX 101 and Altamira, through such places as Soto la Marina and Aldama are as safe as any other. I am a little more concerned about traveling through C. D. Mante and C. D. Valles these days. The permanent and roving road blocks by the military (Primarily Naval and Marine forces) are doing a good job. Sure there is the occasional and I mean very occasional incident but on the whole, for the time being, I will use MX 101 for my travels as I feel much safer there than driving with the mass of idiot drivers using most of the Autopistas.

That is my personal and frequent experience, using MX 101.

Robt65


hapicampr


Oct 23, 2010, 2:23 PM

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Re: [robt65] Traveling from Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas to Brownville border, Texas

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Hello,

I'm going to hit the road soon going South...Brownsville to the Yucatan.
I am hoping to get an estimate on the toll costs and some places to try and overnight along the way.
Also any input on current road conditions (post storm season)
And also recommendations on a good to date map...have used rojo maps before.

I have a 71 VW camper/bus...any suggestions for type of insurance and how best to purchase it for a 4 month trip?

its been 5 years since last I drove in Mexico....so my memory is rusty on las maneras.

Oh yeah, what was the black bean reference??? Is it anything like "la mordida"???


Sunnyvmx


Oct 24, 2010, 3:55 AM

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Re: [hapicampr] Traveling from Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas to Brownville border, Texas

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Be sure to buy the latest Guia Roji map book and the Church's book on Camping in Mexico. A search of forums on RVing in Mexico will have lots of information pertaining to your RV questions. If you send me a PM, I will send you detailed instructions via email for the first section of your trip and getting through Tampico.

The black bean reference has to do with fate, like being in the "wrong place at the wrong time", specifically "pulling the black bean out of a jar full of white beans."

If you come through Catemaco, stop in at Tepetapan RV park and villas. It's one of the best parks in Mexico and I couldn't leave, so I now rent Casita #3 and my RV is stored and ready for travel at any time. Stop by for a margarita and I'll share much more info about camping and road conditions. If you don't drink...it will be a short visit.



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Altahabana


Oct 24, 2010, 7:07 AM

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Re: [hapicampr] Traveling from Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas to Brownville border, Texas

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Drawing the black bean does mean being in the wrong place at the wrong time, specifically being in the area when a balacera/enfrentamiento breaks out between the military and cartel sicarios or between rival cartels. Perhaps more significantly it means driving up on a narco retén or road block. The reference dates from about 1840 when an expeditionary force from the Republic of Texas invaded Tamaulipas and was defeated in a skirmish near Cuidad Mier. The Mexican commander decided to execute a number of the force members who were captured and made them draw colored beans out of a jar. Drawing a black bean meant execution. You can read more about the event if you want by Googling Mier Expedition.

I wasn't trying to one up anyone with my recommendation to avoid driving through south and central Tamaulipas. I haven't driven Highway 101 since the problems began in February, but I am familiar with the situation that exists there. I also have friends and professional collegues who live in the area and the recommendation was based in part on their observations about the general instability that exists. Mine is nothing more than a reasonably informed opinion and obviously other people feel differently.


robt65

Oct 24, 2010, 2:11 PM

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Re: [hapicampr] Traveling from Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas to Brownville border, Texas

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Hello hapicamper,

Both posters are correct in their descriptions of the "black bean" although "Altahabana" is technically and historically correct in the origin of the term. It really makes no difference as if you are unlucky enough to draw the "black bean" it is usually a very bad day at any rate! (smiling)

As MX 101 is neither an autopista nor a cuota, there are no tolls.

As far as an air medical evacuation company goes and excellent one (rated by several different organizations as excellent) is Sky Med out of Arizona. They have planes based all over the country, as well as bilingual crews. http://www.skymed.com/about-us.aspx

From San Juan del Rio I go north on MX 57 until the bypass (a cuota) to San Luis Potosi. During the day it is an excellent cuota. A little pricey but excellent highway and you miss all the traffic around the city of Queretaro as well as Guanajuato. It is a great time and nerve saver. It is also very safe to drive this road at night (I have done so many times up until about midnight, without any problems many times). At night it is not very well lit at the entry or exits coming from the south of MX 57 or headed back onto MX 57 Southbound. It is very easy to miss the pavement because of that. Be careful for that reason. Once on that by X 57 headed north and San Luis Potosi. Just north of the San Luis Potosi turnoff headed to Matamoros, is the turnoff to the east to the small city of Tula.

That is a two lane (without any shoulders to speak of) highway that is for the most part very straight but with somewhat rough surface shape (potholes) a few curvy sections as you go through the low hills and onto the cutoff (very well marked) to Tula. Tula has a great selection of clean hotels at very reasonable prices. This is a good place to make sure to gas up as the next stations are in C. D. Victoria about 2.5 hours to 3 ours East. That road between Tula to C. D. Victoria is a fairly new section of four lane highway (without any services to speak of) to C.D. Victoria. About an hour West of C.D. Victoria you will probably run into a big check point manned by the army, if you are East bound. None on the West bound side. Very serious souls and they do a good job. There is no need to drive directly into C. D. Victoria. If you gassed in Tula or before reaching Victoria from the North, you should have plenty of gas to get you t the next fuel stops in Tula or past Victoria a few miles towards Matamoros. I, personally would not stop in C. D. Victoria under any circumstances for any reason. Coming from Matamoros that means that you will have to leave the border headed south before 10:00 AM to make Tula wit plenty of Daylight to spare.

You can get your vehicle permit and tourist visa and pass customs all at the same point at the Matamoros border crossing using the Veterans Bridge from Brownsville. I have never had any problems there and they are all very good and helpful.
Be very careful to not exceed any speed limits going through Matamoros. Just follow the signs to C.D. Victoria and San Fernando and you should do alright. There is bridge with a curve in it that goes over some other street as you head south from the border that takes you directly into Matamoros. Be very careful to obey the speed limits on that bridge. It is a favorite of the local Transito to make a few extra dollars from mordita. Make a left at the large Soriana on your left, watch for the signs C. D. Victoria and San Fernando. That will be MX 101.

I use a company out of Arizona called http://mexicaninsurancestore.com/ . Their phone number is on the internet site. I think his name is Hal but not sure. Ask him to tell you the story about the Gringo tourist at the restaurant asking about the special of the day. He loves that joke. His prices are average. He handles several different companies. I get my insurance from ACE Insurance. They have a very high rating and I have had a claim one time in the four years I have been using them. They were quick to have my car (a VW Turbo New Beetle) repaired very quickly and very good. A hit and run when my wife was driving. Remember if you do have an accident call the number and do not move your car, no matter if it is the middle of a freeway! If you do your insurance may not cover you. They will immediately send out a local adjuster. Get as much information from the other car and driver as you can. Take a few photos for your own records including a photo of the other car and driver if possible. Also get a photo of the other cars license. I always get my insurance for a week or so before I plan to cross and the rest for after your trip in case of any unforeseen delays, then I am still covered.

From San Juan del Rio I go north on MX 57 until the bypass (a cuota) to San Luis Potosi. During the day it is an excellent cuota. A little pricey but excellent highway and you miss all the traffic around the city of Queretaro as well as Guanajuato. It is a great time and nerve saver. It is also very safe to drive this road at night (I have done so many times up until about midnight, without any problems many times). At night it is not very well lit at the entry or exits coming from the south of MX 57 or headed back onto MX 57 Southbound. It is very easy to miss the pavement because of that. Be careful for that reason. Once on that by X 57 headed north and San Luis Potosi. Just north of the San Luis Potosi, turnoff headed (east) to Matamoros, this is the turnoff to the east to the small city of Tula.

That is a two lane (without any shoulders to speak of) highway that is for the most part very straight but with somewhat rough surface shape (potholes) a few curvy sections as you go through the low hills and onto the cutoff (very well marked) to Tula. Tula has a great selection of clean hotels at very reasonable prices. This is a good place to make sure to gas up as the next stations are in C. D. Victoria about 2.5 hours to 3 ours East. That road between Tula to C. D. Victoria is a fairly new section of four lane highway (without any services to speak of) to C.D. Victoria. About an hour West of C.D. Victoria you will probably run into a big check point manned by the army, if you are East bound. None on the West bound side. Very serious souls and they do a good job. There is no need to drive directly into C. D. Victoria. If you gassed in Tula or before reaching Victoria from the North, you should have plenty of gas to get you t the next fuel stops in Tula or past Victoria a few miles towards Matamoros. I, personally would not stop in C. D. Victoria under any circumstances for any reason. Coming from Matamoros that means that you will have to leave the border headed south before 10:00 AM to make Tula wit plenty of Daylight to spare.

You can get your vehicle permit and tourist visa and pass customs all at the same point at the Matamoros border crossing using the Veterans Bridge from Brownsville. I have never had any problems there and they are all very good and helpful.
Be very careful to not exceed any speed limits going through Matamoros. Just follow the signs to C.D. Victoria and San Fernando and you should do alright. There is a bridge with a curve in it, that goes over some other street as you head south from the border that takes you directly into Matamoros. Be very careful to obey the speed limits on that bridge. It is a favorite of the local Transito to make a few extra dollars from mordita.

There is a Soriana shopping Center on your left at this point and that is actually the beginning of MX 101. Turn left here. You will be again careful to not exceed any speed limits until you clear the "Thanks for coming to Matamoros" sign about 45 minutes south of the city. from that point on there really are no more Transito to worry about. The road is good and traffic flows freely. About an hour or 1.5 hours South of Matamoros is an Federal Aduana check point to see your car permit and visa. Keep them handy. It is a new station (fixed) and they ask the usual questions.

Be very careful to not exceed any speed limits going through Matamoros. Just follow the signs to C.D. Victoria and San Fernando and you should do alright. There is a bridge with a curve in it that goes over some other street as you head south from the border that takes you directly into Matamoros. Be very careful to obey the speed limits on that bridge. It is a favorite of the local Transito to make a few extra dollars from mordita.

From there to C.D. Victoria is a good road with speeds approaching 100 kph. Heading into Victoria take the roads with the signs to San Luis Potosi. As for me I would not go to the Yucatan via Tampico, Tamaulipas and into Veracruz. For one thing, all those roads have many, many potholes and for another today it shows that a new hurricane will have recently passed through that area about the time you will reach there. You would for sure expect flooded out and probably impassable roads and highways. Also this is not a safe area because of the Zetas and the Transito in both Tamaulipas and Veracruz. They are really mordita hungry in those states.

Heading past the points I have spoken about in this posting, I would defer to Sunnyvmx. She keeps pretty well informed about the roads leading to your destination. I would trust her wisdom, except maybe after a few Margaritas! (Only teasing!!!)
She knows that area much better than I. "It is a wise man who knows what he doesn't know".

Hope this all helped out a bit. Have a good trip and just stray away from any bean jars! Then you don‘t have to pick one! (Smiling) Remember the only thing for sure in Mexico . . . . . . is that nothing is for sure.

Robt65


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Sunnyvmx


Oct 25, 2010, 1:58 AM

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This is correct, Robt65, after a few margaritas even I know I have no "wisdom."

I am seriously watching Hurricane Richard and it is reported that he is expected to dissipate in the Gulf. That is very good news and may spare the area from La Pesca north from any more flooding. We have had dry weather for several weeks and that has indeed helped the situation and allowed for the road repairs.

My boyfriend said the road had been improved in some of the areas that were so bad on his trip down, but that was before all the flooding. I will be traveling to Matamoros in three weeks to bring a new resident to the villas back down. I will have a full report on the trip when I return.



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dongringo_catemaco


Oct 31, 2010, 11:27 PM

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Re: [Sunnyvmx] Traveling from Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas to Brownville border, Texas

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A few days ago, both the veracruz free road from Veracruz to Acayucan and the toll road from La Tinaja to Acayucan were closed because repairs of the recent washouts sucked.

Most of the road from the US border to Guatemala is and has been ok, except for stretches in and around the south of Los Tuxtlas, where repair works are in constant progress. Just schedule another half a day for delays on your transit.
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