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chinagringo

Sep 28, 2009, 5:50 PM

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I was down at the mechanics shop that works on our vehicles the other day and talking to the service manager. He was born in Mexico in a village south of Chihuahua but moved to the U.S. at age 8. In recent years, he has made numerous trips to the Chihuahua area and since he was Mexico born never had to obtain an FMT. He does carry a U.S. Passport and when he went down two weeks ago, they suddenly demanded that he had to have an FMT (first time ever). He was shocked to learn that it was going to cost him $262MXP for an FMT when he was only going to be there for 5 days. In the end, he was able to talk them into a "freebie" FMT that was good for 7 days but they explained the consequences of overstaying the 7 day period.
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM

Rolly

Sep 28, 2009, 7:01 PM

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"...they explained the consequences of overstaying the 7 day period."

And the consequences are?

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bournemouth

Sep 28, 2009, 7:05 PM

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Then this fellow does not have a Mexican passport, right?

chinagringo

Sep 29, 2009, 4:25 AM

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Apparently some sort of fine structure and entry on a "Bad Boy List". He has only carried a U.S. Passport on all of his trips.

Immigration did mention to him that some new rules had been instituted recently but he did not go into detail as to what they were.
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM

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gpkgto

Sep 29, 2009, 5:48 AM

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If he does not carry a Mexican passport or Mexican birth certificate why would Mexico let him in without a visa?

jerezano

Sep 29, 2009, 7:48 AM

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Hello all,

The question was asked: >>>>Post: If he does not carry a Mexican passport or Mexican birth certificate why would Mexico let him in without a visa?<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Well, obviously, because he looks and acts like a Mexican.

But the solution for this guy is simple. If he has a Mexican birth certificate then he should get a Mexican passport. It will cost about $2000 pesos for a 10 year one. That is still $62 dollars less than he would be charged for a new FMT with its fines. And then he would be home free for the next ten years. When going to Mexico he uses his Mexican passport. Pan comido.

Unfortunately he probably doesn't have a Mexican birth certificate either. Fortunately it is now possible in some jurisdictions to apply for and get that certificate by Internet. Perhaps he will be lucky.

jerezano.

Papirex

Sep 29, 2009, 11:37 AM

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I don't know which program he used, or if it is still in effect, but my Texas born cuñado with a Mexican-American father and a Mexican mother was able to “regain” his Mexican citizenship a few years ago. He went to School in México City until he was 16 years old, but since he was born in Texas, he has no Mexican birth certificate. He now is a dual citizen and has US and Mexican passports, no problem entering either country.

A Mexican passport is usually required for a Mexican citizen to leave, or re-enter México. On her last trip to México before we moved here permanently, my wife lost her Mexican passport. She has a green card to enter The US. The last place she remembered using her passport was at the Guadalajara airport when she was leaving México. She reported the loss to the Mexican Consular agent in Anchorage, Alaska.

She was worried about how she was going to re-enter México without it. When I was getting my first FM3 at the Mexican Consulate in Phoenix, she asked the man that was helping me if he could help her with her problem of no passport or birth certificate with her?

He said no problem, and issued her a Tarjeta de Matricula, it was only valid for six months, but it got her into México and she made another trip to Texas and back using it before it expired. I don't know if they are still issuing Tarjeta de Matriculas, but that might be a solution if they are, there was no fee required for it.

Getting a replacement Mexican passport was a beech. If you have no old passport to turn in, a police report of the loss is absolutely required. Telling them that the loss was reported to a Mexican Consular agent, and that The Anchorage Police department would not be interested in the loss of a foreign passport in a foreign country did no good. Only the old passport or a Mexican police report of its theft or loss would do.

She finally went to another municipality than the one where the passport was issued explained the situation and tried to get one there. She was refused because she didn't live there. She tried 3 more times, and finally the Gerente of the office that issues passports told her he would give her one just to get rid of her, but she could never get another one at that office. Good enough, she now had a passport to turn in when it expired.

Low level employees of any Mexican government office or business are never allowed to use their own discretion to make any decision. That is why using logical arguments never works, only their written instructions must be followed, logical or not.

Rex

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jerezano

Sep 29, 2009, 12:58 PM

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Hello Rex:

You referred to a program which is long gone....a program to allow Mexicans born in the United States to a Mexican mother or father to apply and get dual nationality: >>>"I don't know which program he used, or if it is still in effect, but my Texas born cuñado with a Mexican-American father and a Mexican mother was able to “regain” his Mexican citizenship a few years ago. He went to School in México City until he was 16 years old, but since he was born in Texas, he has no Mexican birth certificate. He now is a dual citizen and has US and Mexican passports, no problem entering either country."<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I can't remember how long ago that was but the program was only in existence for three or four years.

But the friend of the Mexican with the problem has referred to the fact that his Mexican friend was born in Mexico. He should have on file somewhere that birth certificate. They used to be free but I think that the various municipalities are now charging a small fee. It used to be that the person applying had to appear face to face with the records clerk but many municipalities now have electronic centers where the application can be made. It should not be hard for the guy to find out. And of course the passport is the final solution to his problems. Future problems might occur with the absence of the Cartilla Militar which just might prevent him from ever getting married in Mexico if he is not already married here in the US.

jerezano