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werner

Sep 19, 2002, 8:40 AM

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Today, Sept. 19, phase I of the environmental contingency plan comes into effect in D.F. because yesterday the IMECA index reached 242 points.That means more restrictions to traffic. Normally on Thursdays cars with end numbers 1 and 2 are off the streets. But now the "hologramas de verification" play a role.
Does anybody know more about these hologramas?

Robert

Sep 19, 2002, 9:13 AM

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Unless you have a Mexican plated car, you cannot get one of these holograms. I think the way the doble works is if you have a uno or dos hologram, which prohibits you from driving on a certain day of the week based on your number. With doble no hoy circula, you cannot drive on a day you are normally permitted to drive on. If you have doble cero or a cero, you can drive any day of the week regardless of a doble no hoy circula. I know quite a few Americans who have bought use license plates from back in the states, just so they can avoid this.Legal? It depends. I used my title to get my vehicle importation permit, rather than my registration, and they do not list my license plate number, and there is nothing the police can do about it.: Today, Sept. 19, phase I of the environmental contingency plan comes into effect in D.F. because yesterday the IMECA index reached 242 points.: That means more restrictions to traffic. Normally on Thursdays cars with end numbers 1 and 2 are off the streets. But now the "hologramas de verification" play a role.
: Does anybody know more about these hologramas?

werner

Sep 19, 2002, 9:57 AM

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A US-plated car can not get a hologram. Does that mean it is considered as a class dos?
This would not allow the following end numbers on the roads today: 1 and 2 , because it is Thursday plus all odd numbers 3, 5, 7, and 9.
Is this assumption correct?
: Unless you have a Mexican plated car, you cannot get one of these holograms. I think the way the doble works is if you have a uno or dos hologram, which prohibits you from driving on a certain day of the week based on your number. With doble no hoy circula, you cannot drive on a day you are normally permitted to drive on. If you have doble cero or a cero, you can drive any day of the week regardless of a doble no hoy circula. I know quite a few Americans who have bought use license plates from back in the states, just so they can avoid this.: Legal? It depends. I used my title to get my vehicle importation permit, rather than my registration, and they do not list my license plate number, and there is nothing the police can do about it.: : Today, Sept. 19, phase I of the environmental contingency plan comes into effect in D.F. because yesterday the IMECA index reached 242 points.: : That means more restrictions to traffic. Normally on Thursdays cars with end numbers 1 and 2 are off the streets. But now the "hologramas de verification" play a role.
: : Does anybody know more about these hologramas?

Rexc

Sep 19, 2002, 11:24 AM

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Doble hoy no circula / Holograms

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The holograms are issued to locally registered cars, based on the age of the car, and smog test results. Only 1994 and newer cars are eligible for a cero hologram. 1994 was the year that all Mexican cars were first required to have catalytic converters,and other smog equipment factory installed. They are exempt from all driving restrictions, and can be driven any day of the week, and during polution alerts. Smog test results are considered for assigning the hologram numbers for older cars, I think. I have never found out how they determine which cars get a 1, or 2 hologram. One of our cars is registered in Mexico City, and has a hologram # 1. We now live in Cuernavaca, but the car is still registered in Mexico City. Cars with a # 1 hologram are restricted from driving one day a week, but are exempt from restrictions during pollution alerts.Cars with a #2 hologram are restricted from driving one day a week, and are subject to additional restrictions during pollution alerts.All other cars, whether with Mexican or foriegn plates, are treated as though they had a number 2 hologram. There are no exceptions.This is the first pollution alert in Mexico City in almost three years. The smog problem there has been greatly reduced in the last seven years. Pollution alerts are so rare now, they are not of much concern anymore.The entire State of puebla has a Hoy No Circula law too. The restricted driving days are the same as in Mexico City. I don't know if they have pollution alerts there, or what if any restrictions they impose.For info about restrictions in Puebla go to:http://www.cccav.org/For info about restrictions in Mexico City, click on the link below, it is a commercial site but the info is good, and it is in English, or go to:
http://www.sma.df.gob.mx/menu.htmFinally, Just enter Hoy No Circula in Google search, you will find more info on this law than you ever wanted, or needed to know.This law is in effect 12 months a year. I have seen some posts where people were under the impression that it is a seasonal law.The law is however, always suspended on holidays if atmospheric conditions permit it. It was suspended for Independence Day this week.The only Police agencies authorized to enforce this law normally, are the State of Mexico Transit police (brown uniforms), and the Environmental Police (pretty two tone green police cars.) During pollution alerts, all local police agencies are authorized to enforce it. For this reason, you are not likely to get accurate information concerning this law if you ask a cop in a blue uniform about it, since they don't normally deal with it.Rex : Unless you have a Mexican plated car, you cannot get one of these holograms. I think the way the doble works is if you have a uno or dos hologram, which prohibits you from driving on a certain day of the week based on your number. With doble no hoy circula, you cannot drive on a day you are normally permitted to drive on. If you have doble cero or a cero, you can drive any day of the week regardless of a doble no hoy circula. I know quite a few Americans who have bought use license plates from back in the states, just so they can avoid this.: Legal? It depends. I used my title to get my vehicle importation permit, rather than my registration, and they do not list my license plate number, and there is nothing the police can do about it.: : Today, Sept. 19, phase I of the environmental contingency plan comes into effect in D.F. because yesterday the IMECA index reached 242 points.: : That means more restrictions to traffic. Normally on Thursdays cars with end numbers 1 and 2 are off the streets. But now the "hologramas de verification" play a role.
: : Does anybody know more about these hologramas?

Robert

Sep 19, 2002, 1:00 PM

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I have never heard that foreign-plated cars are treated as dos, just that they are subject to the numbers on the plates rules, nothing else, based on the police officers in my neighborhood. In fact, plates with no numbers cannot drive on Fridays.

Robert

Sep 19, 2002, 1:21 PM

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: A US-plated car can not get a hologram. Does that mean it is considered as a class dos?
: This would not allow the following end numbers on the roads today: 1 and 2 , because it is Thursday plus all odd numbers 3, 5, 7, and 9.Werner, I went to the pollution site and this is the way it is stated in English as far as today's alert,Do not drive today vehicles with the License Plates Ending Digits : 1 2The driving restriction applies to vehicles with Verification Emisions Control Sticker number One(1) or Two(2), or that do not have passed the Verification Control Test for Mexico City Metropolitan Area.You can read this two ways.1) That no matter whether you have a sticker or not you cannot drive if your plates ends in 1 or 2
2) That you cannot drive if you have a hologram (uno or dos) and you have 1 or 2 as the last number in your plate, but that you cannot drive at all if you have no hologram.If you look at the way it is written above, it is the plate number that is key, not the hologram. It mentions stickers uno and dos and cars without the hologram all within one sentence. If you read it the second way I mentioned that would mean cars with sticker uno, sticker dos, and no sticker could not drive at all regardless of plate number. It does not say that. Rather it is two parts, but only if you have those numbers, does the second part matter, because if you have a cero sticker, you would not that cero is not mentioned in the second part.

werner

Sep 19, 2002, 2:39 PM

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Robert, it seems to me that what you are descibing is valid all the year.
For the Fase 1 de Contingencia Ambiental I read of more stringent restrictions:
En el sector transporte, a partir de las 5:00 y hasta las 22:00 horas del 19 de septiembre deberan dejar de circular los vehiculos con holograma de verificacion "Uno" y engomado "verde"
terminacion de placa 1 y 2, ademas, se limitara la circulacion a todos los que tengan holograma de verificacion "Dos",terminacion de placa non (1, 3, 5, 7, 9).My interpretation is that 60% of the foreign plated cars are not allowed on the road today as they are classified as "Dos".
: : A US-plated car can not get a hologram. Does that mean it is considered as a class dos?
: : This would not allow the following end numbers on the roads today: 1 and 2 , because it is Thursday plus all odd numbers 3, 5, 7, and 9.: Werner, I went to the pollution site and this is the way it is stated in English as far as today's alert,: Do not drive today vehicles with the License Plates Ending Digits : 1 2: The driving restriction applies to vehicles with Verification Emisions Control Sticker number One(1) or Two(2), or that do not have passed the Verification Control Test for Mexico City Metropolitan Area.: You can read this two ways.: 1) That no matter whether you have a sticker or not you cannot drive if your plates ends in 1 or 2
: 2) That you cannot drive if you have a hologram (uno or dos) and you have 1 or 2 as the last number in your plate, but that you cannot drive at all if you have no hologram.: If you look at the way it is written above, it is the plate number that is key, not the hologram. It mentions stickers uno and dos and cars without the hologram all within one sentence. If you read it the second way I mentioned that would mean cars with sticker uno, sticker dos, and no sticker could not drive at all regardless of plate number. It does not say that. Rather it is two parts, but only if you have those numbers, does the second part matter, because if you have a cero sticker, you would not that cero is not mentioned in the second part.

RexC

Sep 19, 2002, 5:58 PM

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Part of the confusion here is that today is a normal day for cars with a #1 hologram, and license plates ending in 1 or 2 with a green sticker not to drive. It has nothing to do with todays alert. One of our cars has a plate ending in 2, we can never drive it in Mexico City on Tuesdays. Cars with these plate numbers and stickers are not affected by todays Pollution alert, they are not allowed to be driven on any Tuesday. Having a # 1 hologram does make them exempt from Extra non driving days during polution alerts. If an alert does continue for several days, more stringent driving restrictions are imposed.The law is silent on foriegn plated cars with vanity plates, all letters and no numbers. There is a myth that they can't be driven on Fridays. Of course, if you are nervous about it, you can't get in trouble for not driving on a Friday. Regular city cops have no jurisdiction over enforcing this law.If a regular cop gives you any trouble regarding this law, tell him to go away, or you will denounce him. At the rate they have been firing corrupt cops in Mexico City lately, you can bet the rent he will disappear. Incidently, the authority to have a car towed has been taken away from Mexico City cops. It used to be one of their favorite threats.The police that do have jurisdiction don't care whether the plate number is listed on your temporary import permit. They go by the plate number that is actually on the car. It is really a simple straitforward law, no mysteries. During pollution alerts, several other things kick in. 50% of all government vehicles are not allowed to be driven. 20% of all manufacturing in the city must stop. 20% of all older gasoline stations not equipted with vapor recovery pumps must close. Relax.Rex 
: I have never heard that foreign-plated cars are treated as dos, just that they are subject to the numbers on the plates rules, nothing else, based on the police officers in my neighborhood. In fact, plates with no numbers cannot drive on Fridays.

RexC

Sep 19, 2002, 6:01 PM

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Senior moment guys, substitute Thursdays for where I said Tuesdays NFM

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: Part of the confusion here is that today is a normal day for cars with a #1 hologram, and license plates ending in 1 or 2 with a green sticker not to drive. It has nothing to do with todays alert. One of our cars has a plate ending in 2, we can never drive it in Mexico City on Tuesdays. : Cars with these plate numbers and stickers are not affected by todays Pollution alert, they are not allowed to be driven on any Tuesday. Having a # 1 hologram does make them exempt from Extra non driving days during polution alerts. If an alert does continue for several days, more stringent driving restrictions are imposed.: The law is silent on foriegn plated cars with vanity plates, all letters and no numbers. There is a myth that they can't be driven on Fridays. Of course, if you are nervous about it, you can't get in trouble for not driving on a Friday. Regular city cops have no jurisdiction over enforcing this law.: If a regular cop gives you any trouble regarding this law, tell him to go away, or you will denounce him. At the rate they have been firing corrupt cops in Mexico City lately, you can bet the rent he will disappear. Incidently, the authority to have a car towed has been taken away from Mexico City cops. It used to be one of their favorite threats.: The police that do have jurisdiction don't care whether the plate number is listed on your temporary import permit. They go by the plate number that is actually on the car. : It is really a simple straitforward law, no mysteries. During pollution alerts, several other things kick in. 50% of all government vehicles are not allowed to be driven. 20% of all manufacturing in the city must stop. 20% of all older gasoline stations not equipted with vapor recovery pumps must close. Relax.: Rex : 
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: : I have never heard that foreign-plated cars are treated as dos, just that they are subject to the numbers on the plates rules, nothing else, based on the police officers in my neighborhood. In fact, plates with no numbers cannot drive on Fridays.

Robert

Sep 20, 2002, 6:19 AM

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Yes you are right about that. What I was describing was the fact that foreign-plated cars are not considered DOS, but rather just as foreign-plated cars. Yesterday, odd numbered cars could not drive if you have had 1,2 or foreign-plated cars.