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Hound Dog

Apr 24, 2010, 9:49 AM

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Well, there were the Dawg & Dawgette tooling between San Cristóbal de Las Casas and Lake Chapala on our quarterly (more or less) 1,500 kilometer drive between those two places we now arrogantly claim as home bases. This leg of the journey was northbound on the Autopista Minatitlan-Cosamalopan traversing the accursedly hot and humid Veracruz Gulf Coastal Plain and we had just crossed the wide and swampy Rio San Juan on its way to Tlacotalpan (a must see place) on its way to the Gulf when, out there in the middle of nowhere, we ran over a metal strip at about 110KPH and that sucker blew our left front tire and bounced up an did additional damage to the undercarraige of our XTrail and we hobbled onto a nearby dirt strip occupied at that point by one of the many pineapple juice vendors selling pineapples and juice tp passersby on that autopista. Stranded. Perplexed. Unsure of the extent of the damage to the car but certain that that expensive tire had been totally destroyed and was history. Now, to make matters even more fun, we then discovered that the tow truck operator who had towed our car in for repairs after one of us had an accident in Tapachula, Chiapas had stolen everything in the car including the jack so we had no way to change the tire and were stuck there in Dante´s Inferno with no way out.

Enter CAPUFE (Caminos y Puentes Federales de Ingresos y Servicios Conexos) and I am telling you folks about this adventure since, if you travel Mexico on Federal toll roads, these are the people who will save not only your butt but a substantial amount of your pesos since it is a fact, as advertised, that the operators of each toll road carry insurance to cover problems you may experience as a result of damage to your vehicle caused by problems with the roadway- meaning any kind of problem from potholes to, in our case, metal objects in the road that cause damage upon impact with your car.

Now, CAPUFE will handle everything but you need to know some groundrules and these are those the CAPUFE representatives told me were nationally consistent but I will only warrant that these rules apply upon toll roads in Veracruz State because that is where we happened to be at that hour.

We were standing there in the Veracruz hellish heat and humidity hoping the Green Angels would come along but in the entire four hours we waited there they never drove by even once. However, the CAPUFE truck that was out there to pick up the metal that had disabled our car did pass by and stopped to help us. They were most gracious and admitted to liability as they had been apprised of the dangerous metal strip in the roadway and hsd even taken pictures of that object.

Here is what we learned haviing had that experience:

* The toll road operators do indeed carry insurance to cover problems you may encounter as a result of road hazards on their segments of the toll highways. However, the representatives of CAPUFE may not admit that unless you assert that the accident was their responsibility. Let them know courteously that you know of your rights and be firm but polite in that assertion. After all, you are out in the swamps and at their mercy. You want them to find you an amenable and pleasant person but not a rollover.
* Always carry a camera so you can document your accident and its reasons.
* Do not leave the scene of the accident if it is not too dangerous there and do not go on to the next caseta de cobro or return to the last one if you can help it. Wait there for the insurance adjuster if at all possible as that adjuster will carefully document the incident, take a number of photographs and complete a written report which you must the sign and upon which you must recount the event. In our case, the adjuster had to come all the way from Coatzacoalcos which, if you know that area, is quite a drive from the area of the incident. We were tempted several times to just drive on to the next caseta which turned out to be far away indeed but we stayed even though our plans to get from San Cristóbal to Puebla that day were thwarted. Now, we can tell you that our patience probably saved us $10,000 Pesos or more so waiting for the adjuster is the best alternative if you can do so. I would not wait out on that lonely autopista at night, however, if I were you. You´d be a sitting duck on that dark and deserted autopista at night so it ain´t worth the risk and you could probably prevail in a claim anyway if drove to the next caseta and presented your case there.
* We were told that repairs and tire replacement could only be performed by approved tallers and that, should we wish to return to our destination of Jalisco, there were three places authorized to perform that work; two in Guadalajara and one in Ciudad Guzman. No way they would pay if we chose to choose our own taller and the nearest one to the accident scene was a backtrack to Coatzaoalcos where we might be stuck for a week or so. No thanks; so we drove back to Lake Chapala from there without a spare or a jack but with the good graces of De Lawd, made it.

Now, all this is made even more complicated by the fact that we were traveling with three dawgs.

We got our tire changed by CAPUFE, hit the road four hours after the catastrophe and, instead of spending the night in Puebla as originally planned, we stayed in Orizaba, Veracruz at the Cascada Hotel - a fine place- and had the best shrimp dinner we have had in ten years living in Mexico. Not as good as the Alabama Gulf but damn near.




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esperanza

Apr 24, 2010, 10:22 AM

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Yes indeed, Sr. Dawg: this is a wonderful post and a great thing to know about Mexico's toll roads.

I can attest to its veracity. Read here:
http://www.mexconnect.com/...?post=138264;#138264




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chinagringo


Apr 24, 2010, 12:01 PM

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Between Dawg's experience and that of Esperanza's, related in an earlier post, this is a perfect example of just why one should always travel the cuotas when needing to travel a greater distance within Mexico with relative safety and the quest for an easier drive. Sure there are those that like to claim they travel the libres so as to experience the real Mexico but most often this is just an excuse to justify their unwillingness to pay for good roads and the associated benefits.

Dawg and Dawgette were trying to travel from Chipas to Lake Chapala and if my memory serves me correctly, Esperanza was traveling from Morelia to Guadalajara- each choosing the easiest and quickest route on the cuotas. Makes sense to me and I am more than willing to pay the tolls in cases such as these.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



Rolly


Apr 24, 2010, 12:07 PM

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Don't miss Gringolandia's misadventure with livestock as reported on the Lake Chapala forum.

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chinagringo


Apr 24, 2010, 1:06 PM

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I went back and read Gringolandia's post again and I could not find a direct reference to them driving on a cuota. The only clue was 4 lane highway and since I have never driven this route I remained unsure. If it was a cuota, apparently there were no fences as we typically see in our travels. It goes to show that there are no guarantees and one needs to remain alert and aware no matter where they are traveling. Not to say that he or Dawg weren't - just shows that you know _ _ _ _ happens!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



Hound Dog

Apr 24, 2010, 2:33 PM

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went back and read Gringolandia's post again and I could not find a direct reference to them driving on a cuota. The only clue was 4 lane highway and since I have never driven this route I remained unsure.

Here is how you can be sure, CG. any insurance that may apply will be applicable between toll plazas after you have paid a toll to enter that particular segment of highway and the insurance covers traveling on that highway segment between the toll plaza where you entered through that which you exited. No toll plazas - no insurance. That is why you must religously keep your toll plaza receipts because - no receipt evidencing toll pament in that segmant - no insurance. Cuotas may include several different segments managed separately so you are not paid on the highway from. say, Puebla to Oaxaca City but from Puebla to whereever a new cuota is designated by a new toll plaza.

There are four lane expressways in Mexico which are free. No toll no insurance.


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tashby

Apr 24, 2010, 2:53 PM

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And the phone number to call is on the toll-booth receipt. I think there's both 3-digit access, plus an 800 number. It's the only reason I own a cell phone here....for the on-the-road possibilities.

Glad it worked out for you Sr. Dawg. The older our car gets, the more I'm paying attention to this stuff. We'll be making a beach run to Nayarit soon (from Lake Chapala), and I noticed last time there's a newish toll plaza on the Compostela/Las Varas cutover route. The road even has several "CAPUFE" signs along the way.

http://www.capufe.gob.mx/portal/site/WebCapufe


arbon

Apr 24, 2010, 3:41 PM

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I usually think of cuotas/toll roads as being fenced, because of the insurance risk to users, and damage to the cuotas.
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Hound Dog

Apr 24, 2010, 3:50 PM

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I usually think of cuotas/toll roads as being fenced, because of the insurance risk to users, and damage to the cuotas.

As you, no doubt, know, Arbon, in Mexico, a fence is the guy who buys the scrap wire that used to be a cuota fence before the local cholos found out what it was worth on the black market.

When the crooked sumbitch working for the tow truck company who hauled our car in in Tapachula stole the smaller auxilliary parts of our jack I couldn´t figure out why until I went to Nissan and got a quote for those parts only to find out that those auxilliary parts alone cost $3,500 Pesos fom the dealer so next week I´ll head for the thieves market in Guadalajara and order those parts which I´ll probably get for $200 Pesos. You do what you gotta do.


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gringolandia

Apr 24, 2010, 5:54 PM

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Re Gringolandia....there were no toll roads where we were introduced to the vaca's but as an FM2holder I always keep our receipts to prove where we were as to travel back and forth from Texas to Jocotopec


mexliving

Apr 26, 2010, 10:28 PM

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glad to see everything worked out..... having a front tire blow out at highway speeds is really dangerous.

i have used the toll roads many times.. one time my windshield was cracked by a flying rock from a truck.... there was construction in the toll area. stopped at the caseta and spent an hour with the rep.. they gave me the windshield company in the city i was traveling to. (2 years ago)

in november i was in the mazatlan toll road and driving behind a double semi-truck...... all of a suden, i was showered with thousand's of rocks..... chipped my windshield everywhere... not to mention my paint. the area was a bridge that was just paved and loose gravel was all over the area. i turned around and took pictures and went to the caseta... spent an hour.. and eventually i was told that "no gravel sign " was supposed to be placed on the construction area.. and the contractor had his own insurance while working the road...

was given his cell phone number..... talked to him and he never return my calls again.... out of pocket replacement.

very pissed at that ing... what i did learn is... you simply dont leave untill the adjuster shows up to look at the damage..... if you leave.. your s.o.l.

i was quoted 2,220 for my windshield and i spoke to the owner and explained my story.... he sold it to me for 1,500 pesos installed and told me i could file a complaint at profeco and they would review my complaint and decide in 30 days if toll road should pay what i spent.


hack

Apr 30, 2010, 2:25 PM

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I can't speak for others, and it is not for everyone that such distinctions are important, but the difference between a freeway and a regular road couldn't be greater for me. Cloverleaf turns and no curbcuts or intersections allow one to travel faster but the preclude any sort of street life. The freeway is like a curtained-off hallway, and travelling on one is a constant opportunity to wonder what's on the other side. It negates a major selling-point for overland travel in the first place. Now, sure -- sometimes this is what one must do. It appears there's a compelling argument for the cuotas in Mexico. Doesn't mean the libres aren't more interesting. We'll see - I'm crossing in the AM...


Rolly


Apr 30, 2010, 2:38 PM

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Just to be sure we're all on the same page:

Cuotas are not freeways; they're tollways. Mexico does have limited access free highways like the freeways in the USA.

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Reefhound


Apr 30, 2010, 3:55 PM

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Mexico has a few of them, mainly in the larger cities. Nothing like the U.S. interstate system. The super highways may be less interesting but sorely needed for getting one to distant locations in other parts of the country in a reasonable time.


Hound Dog

Apr 30, 2010, 4:20 PM

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Just to be sure we're all on the same page:

Cuotas are not freeways; they're tollways. Mexico does have limited access free highways like the freeways in the USA.

Rolly Pirate


Well said, Rollyjito:

Allow Dawg to elaborate. If you want to get from Montgomery to Mobile or from San Francisco to Los Angeles these days, the best ways are I-65 or I-5 respectively and if you take either of those freeways you will have a soulless experience. Boring drives over seemingly endless flatlands of no interest. But go back in time and drive Federal Highway 31 from Montgomery to Mobile or the old Highway 99 from Sacramento to the environs of Los Angeles down tje California Central Valley and see what our grandparents saw in towns such as Red Level, Alabama or Bakersfield, California and relive life as it was before the freeways cut the heart out of the United States. That is not what happened in Mexico where the toll roads added zest to life, not removed it.

Unlike the United States, the toll roads erroneously thought of as "freeways" opened up the country for fantastic travel opportunities and engineering miracles turned road travel in this country into high adventure. Let me, please, explain to you just a few miracles performed by the federal authorities in Mexico in the past 10 years. I know of these fantastic accomplishments simply because we travel between Lake Chapala and Chiapas with regularity. Asdk others who travel elsewhere for other sight-seeing opportunities:

I will be back to explain this but I regret to say I am now exhausted by all these thought processes because I am an old fart. Think of the autopista from Minatitlan, Veracruz to Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chjiapas and and think of magical green mountains such that you have never, ever, enountered in this life and you will know where we are next going but I will also introduce you to deserted Pacific beaches that will blow your mind..


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Reefhound


Apr 30, 2010, 5:05 PM

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Probably best if you just have a warm glass of milk and a nap and leave the thinking to those of us that can still do it clearly.
You know you're mixing 'em a bit too strong when you begin bashing the U.S. roads and speaking of the great Mexican roads.


skier14

Apr 30, 2010, 5:58 PM

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Oh how I miss those Burma Shave signs along the old two or three lane(suicide lane for passing) highways. Over 100 degrees F and no air except hot by lowering the windows. Mom used to pack wet washrags and towels wrapped in wax paper in cloth bags to kind of help with sweat wipe. And don´t forget the canvas water bag on the front headlight or bumper. Also Giant Orange was a great rest stop.


wendy devlin

Apr 30, 2010, 6:22 PM

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skier 14,

Ain't memory grand!


Rolly


Apr 30, 2010, 6:43 PM

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And motels were called tourist cottages or tourist courts.

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Hound Dog

May 1, 2010, 5:03 AM

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And motels were called tourist cottages or tourist courts

And, today in Mexico are known as "no-tell.motels" which rent rooms by the hour. These things proliferate outside of all Mexican urban areas and if you rent there as an old fart- concern yourself with the notion of clean sheets. The only "peter tracks" one finds attractive are one´s own emitted in a moment both entirely selfless and selfish.


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rockydog85251

May 1, 2010, 4:31 PM

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When we used to travel back and forthe between Scottsdale & Mazatlan, we often had to use the "no-tel motel" because we couldn't find any others that would accept our dogs. They were always quite clean and very quiet, even if the TV channels were a bit eye opening!
We have a friend that would drive down with their 4 standard poodle and a wolf-hybrid, while his wife would sometimes fly. He too used these motels because of the dog acceptance but wouldn't you have loved to been a fly on the wall & understood the converstaions that took place after he checked in with all those dogs!?
Willie


esperanza

May 1, 2010, 5:50 PM

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In Reply To
...Maybe I should have married a guy....

Dawg, you've mentioned this twice in a week. I'm calling the Dawgette.




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Hound Dog

May 2, 2010, 6:39 AM

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Dawg, you've mentioned this twice in a week. I'm calling the Dawgette.


Not a bad idea but she is in Teotitlan Del Valle, Oaxaca attending a wedding where the mescal and Corona flow freely for seven days in a row and she has no phone.

As Martin Luther King liked to say back in Bombingham in the 60s, "Free at last, free at last; thank Gawd Almighty, I´´m free at last!" Just joking of course. I can´t wait for Dawgette´s return but my sense of humor sometimes overwhelms me.


Hound Dog

May 2, 2010, 6:49 AM

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Also, remember that, while Dawgette and I got married in Mobile. we lived for some 30 years in San Francisco where one could easily be in for a huge, and I mean HUGE surprise while probing for the hidden delight button.

What has this to do with Mexico? Beats me.


esperanza

May 2, 2010, 9:26 AM

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Beats me too. Let's lock it up.




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