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alex .

Aug 7, 2003, 9:13 AM

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the name game

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The clash between US and MX document systems is driving me crazy. My wife and I were married in Mexico so her surnames did not change. As you all know the names combine with the subsequent generation. Well, this has been nothing but trouble for us. Whenever we have to enter a document into a database somewhere, the database is ill equipped to handle four names : the first, middle, paternal last name, and maternal last name. Some times the maternal last name is omitted, sometimes the paternal is lost, sometimes they are run together as one name(IRS) sometimes dropped altogether and my surname appended (INS), sometimes hyphenated, sometimes run together and the end truncated cuz it doesn't all fit, sometimes put in as one name with a space inbetween, which to me is indistinguishable from two names, but thems the rules.
So the difficulty arises when the various databases share information and they can't find a match: "The Social Security number that you have provided does not match the name in our records so the deduction is denied.....". THEY are the ones that PROVIDED the record, not ME!!!
And Mexico is just as bad. I had to have my marriage certificate done over again because they appended my mother's maiden name to my last name so I'd have the requisite four names. GRRRR.
Then, on top of that, my wife's first name, Maria, (which she doesn't go by, she uses her middle name) is so common in Mexico that it is often abbreviated : Ma. Its that way on her birth certificate. So some places call her Ma, and of course she doesn't answer.
I wish there was a way to fix all of this. If someone says their name is Ima Banana , or Cher, then it should go in the database that way, not some other way that fits better.
These paper pushers have me convinced that "cluster" is only half a word...........
Alex



Guapo Gabacho


Aug 7, 2003, 10:01 AM

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Got married to a Mexican woman last year in Cd. Victoria. We went to Juarez immigration with her Mexican name. The momment we crossed we and a Mexican Acta de matramonia with an English translation that I had made in Mexico for 200 M.N. got us all her documents from then on, like work permit, Soc. Sec. card, drivers license, Etc. in the US format using my sirname. Not one problem. For her, now our kids, the adoption decree changed their names to mine and new state birth cert's show them with my name. When in Mexico we use Mexican names and in the US the other.

As for my name, a birth cert. with apostille showing my mother's maiden name has been accepted without any problem.

I know a bunch of people that like the way it is so as to disguise their real name from US IRS crosschecks. Instead of being (in the US) Robert Louis Jones they are Sr. Robert Louis on their bank things.

Make lemonade vato.


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alex .

Aug 7, 2003, 2:13 PM

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Its more than just an aggrivating inconvenience. The other day the doctor's office couldn't find her file, they had to look under several different names until they found it, took four days. My wife says good thing she wasn't sick or she could have died while they were finding her file. Speaking of death, I have no confidence that upon my sudden death that she would receive the benefits due her because of records not matching up.
Some folks have reason to disappear into the system, I do not.
Just out of curiosity, (and on the topic of name game) why did you choose the handel Guapo Gabacho rather than Gabacho Guapo?
Alex


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Guapo Gabacho


Aug 7, 2003, 2:26 PM

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alex,When I studied Spanish in Guatemala the teacher said that if you put the adjective in front of the noun it stressed its significance. Just like Gran Hotel instead of Hotel Gran.


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alex .

Aug 7, 2003, 2:32 PM

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Good enough for me!
I've heard artistic expression that way, like in song lyrics.

On another topic, mentioned in your reply: What was involved in the adoption of Mexican born children?
Alex


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Aug 7, 2003, 2:47 PM

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Ours fell under the step parent adoption rules. Judge didn't care where they were born. Total legal cost for two was $1,000 plus $40 for the birth cert's. In Alabama the only requirement was that we were married for more than six months. Stepparent adoption doesn't exsist in Mexico and after finalizing the kids here we discovered many benifits to US adoption vs. Mexican, like a foriegn adopted child can not get Social Security survivor benifits from a deceased US parent's account if they move out of the US. Message me with any questions and I will be glad to share with you my experiences and research into the matter.


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Carron

Aug 8, 2003, 10:48 AM

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You are right about this problem. When my daughters and I moved to Mexico five years ago, I went ahead of my husband who stayed in Texas to sell our house. Migracion used my birth certificate and all my Mexican documents were in my maiden name, even when we bought a house in Chiapas. When my husband arrived he was upset that he did not even seem to exist in relation to me. When we opened a bank account, it was in my maiden name, unfortunately only three names, so on our debit cards there was a series of XXXXXX's after my name to indicate that I had no fourth. Again, no mention of my husband, who was still awaiting his FM-3.

When my daughter married a Mexican and they moved to Texas, he fortunately had only three names: Rodrigo Colin Aquirre. I explained to him that in the States many boys are given their mother's maiden name as a middle name. He quickly changed over to Rod A. Colin and my daughter changed her documents to Jo H. Colin. This has been a comfortable compromise for them and they use this consistently on all US official matters.

They both understand that if they move back to Mexico they will change back to the more traditional Spanish names and they have sufficient documents to support them.


alex .

Aug 8, 2003, 11:09 AM

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The issuance of new birth certificates sounds puzzling, how'd they do that???
Alex


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Aug 8, 2003, 11:30 AM

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You get a new certificate, called in Alabama a "Certificate of Foreign Birth", with the birthplace as Mexico in the new name that you petitioned for. The certificate references the final decree of adoption issued by the court but uses the term “Abstract of court decree” and does not say anywhere it was an adoption or other reason for a court order. It lists you as the father and the wife as the mother just as if they were biologically yours. It does not make them a citizen of the US, but the provisions of the Child Citizenship Act Of 2000 will. Visit this site for information about the act. http://travel.state.gov/childcitfaq.html



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alex .

Aug 8, 2003, 2:57 PM

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this topic does come up on occasion.
Alex


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Aug 8, 2003, 3:21 PM

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alex,The next, but totally unnecessary for anything in the US, is to take the new certificates and court orders both with apostilles and Spanish translations to the Registro Civil where they were born and get new actas de nacimientos made showing me as the father. I am sure some will say that it can’t be done, but I know otherwise. I want them only for the kids and their future in Mexico if they desire them (but I really doubt it).


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alex .

Aug 8, 2003, 4:51 PM

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I agree that it can be done in the smaller locales, along with the cartilla de vacunas, but not so easy in the metropolitan areas. Computers. I've seen a full cartilla done all with the same ink pen. Amazing that the doctor was able to hang on to the same pen for over four years. ;<)
Alex


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Guapo Gabacho


Aug 8, 2003, 4:56 PM

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No bud,

I mean for real, legal and stuff with a court order from the states and a Mexican marriage cert. listing both people. The bogus part was getting the father's name removed before we left for the states.


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alex .

Aug 8, 2003, 5:02 PM

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I'm with ya, man, that can be the worst part, and may be necessary to get Mexican passports for the little ones.
Have a good weekend, I'm outta here.
Alex
 
 
 
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