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pigsdive

Sep 30, 2003, 4:51 AM

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shipping vs driving a truck from us on an fm3

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i recently bought a new truck to bring to cozumel from florida. i do not want to nationalize it. i am trying to avoid the long, lonely road trip & looked into shipping it on a cargo ship from ft lauderdale to puerto morelos. the yucatan express that takes people & vehicles from tampa is not an option as they won't be running again until next fall sometime.

here's my question/concern. it is my understanding that with an fm3 (which i hope to obtain from the consulate in orlando in the next few days), i am permitted to keep one us plated vehicle in mexico as long as my visa is valid & that i would not be subject to any import tax on it when driving across the border. i have been warned by a few people that if i ship the car, it is considered cargo & that i would be subject to an import tax (how much, i am clueless). what is the difference if i drive it across the border or if i meet it at the port when it emerges from it's cozy shipping container? i am not planning on bringing anything else into the country except my truck as my apt in cozumel is already set up. doesn't the bringing in of the truck fall under the one time "priviledge" of being able to bring in "normal" household stuff? if in fact i would be subject to an import tax shipping the truck on an fm3, would i be better off not to get the fm3 & ship it in on an fmt & then worry about getting the fm3 & the accompanying documents for the truck once i'm in cozumel? in other words, can the truck be shipped in on an fmt without an import tax?

i don't know where to go to get a definitive answer at this point & would be grateful for any help. my goal is to avoid the 2800+ mile road trip, but i don't want to be subject to a huge tax either. i thought that u only had to pay the tax & duty stuff if u were trying to nationalize the vehicle.
nancy



Madam  ZZ

Sep 30, 2003, 12:15 PM

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My advice would be not to rush your FM3. That buys you time to wait for the ferry and you can float your car to Tampa and sell it when it's time. It was only a couple hudred bucks when they were up and running.


pigsdive

Sep 30, 2003, 2:49 PM

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unfortunately, the tampa ferry won't be running for over a year form now. oh well.
nancy


Madam  ZZ

Sep 30, 2003, 3:28 PM

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I'm not on the same boat! Ayuda! On the other hand, we are no longer slaves to gringo time. We are on Mexican time.


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franzenz


Oct 4, 2003, 9:38 AM

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I have just received my FM3 dated September 11, 2003. How much time do I have before I must enter Mexico. I have heard different answers. The Consul de Mexico in Philadlphia advises me that there in so time limit, but I have heard different answers on this question.

Anyone know?

Thanks,

Brent


Rolly


Oct 4, 2003, 11:15 AM

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When I got my FM3 in Los Angeles a few years ago, there was a blue stamped message on page 4 saying:

"YOU HAVE 90 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF ISSUANCE OF THIS FM3 TO HAVE IT STAMPED BY THE MEXICAN IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES AT THE PORT OF ENTRY; OTHERWISE IT WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY VOID."

Rules do change, so it the consulate says you don't have a time limit and there is no message to the contrary in your FM3, you are probably OK.

Rolly Pirate

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Uncle Jack


Oct 4, 2003, 11:22 AM

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Ours were issued in May of this year in Phoenix and the same 90 day message is stamped on page 8.

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franzenz


Oct 4, 2003, 11:25 AM

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Rolly:

Thank you very much for that information. Here is what mine says, "Al terminar las cirunstancia por las que se autorizo la permanecia del titular en el pais, dentro de los 30 dias siguientes debera abandonar el pais, entegando este docuento a la oficina de migracion del lugar de salida".

Can you help me with the interpretation of that statement?

Again thanks,

Brent


esperanza

Oct 4, 2003, 11:43 AM

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"Upon the termination of the circumstances for which the owner of this document was authorized to remain in the country, he/she must leave the country within 30 days, giving up this document at the immigration office where he/she will exit."

Obviously this is not about entering Mexico, but rather about terminating the FM3 and leaving the country.




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Judy in Ags


Oct 4, 2003, 7:18 PM

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In March of this year, we loaded our pickup onto the moving van and it was shipped with the rest of belonging s(the rest, of course, all being properly listed on the Menaje de Casa). When we arrived at the border, we unloaded the pickup, got the proper permit for it and the other vehicle we were driving (2 FM3's, so 2 permits allowed) and entered Mexico with no duty on either vehicle since they are not imported, but in Mexico on temporary permits.


pigsdive

Oct 4, 2003, 7:30 PM

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your experience makes perfect sense to me. logically, it should be the same thing for me if i stick my truck in a container on a ship & pick it up at puerto morelos. BUT, there are some people that are telling me that the truck would then be considered cargo & that i will have to pay a bunch in taxes. i can't be the first person to want to do this...i wonder where that other person is in this world who accomplished what i want to do....
nancy


franzenz


Oct 4, 2003, 9:03 PM

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Thank you very much. That was very helpful. Thanks for taking the time.

Brent


Judy in Ags


Oct 5, 2003, 12:24 PM

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A vehicle would not be on your Menaje de Casa, nor would it be allowed to be. The Mexican consulate made that very clear to us before we left K.C. Vehicles have to have a permit and when you have the permit (having an FM3, there is no duty). It seems simple to me.


elcomputo

Oct 5, 2003, 1:22 PM

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I have recently heard the figure of 6 months being thrown around. Unfortunately, Mexican law seems to change daily, and all of it, I've found, is subject to interpretation. The result is that information provided at one agency is not necessarily up-to-date, accurate, or interpreted the same way a clerk in Monterrey or Cancun or Ixtapa is going to interpret it.

I know this does not help you one iota, but I thought I would just welcome you to the completely different world of Mexico before you actually hit that culture shock when you're required to deal with the government aparatchiks down here. Many appear to function on the principle of "cover your ass" and are not all that helpful in directing you through the paper-shuffling processes. And if you don't know much Spanish, that makes it all the more difficult because they ain't gonna be speaking English.

There's one more principle of dealing with Mexican officialdom. As frustrating as it gets, everything always seems to work itself out in the end. I don't know how, but it does. Mexican magic.

Martin (also a native Philadelphian)


lbc

Oct 5, 2003, 8:16 PM

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I thoroughly second what Martin just said. Persistence beyond belief, is what you must muster somehow. If you don't like what you hear one day, go home, sleep, ask other people, go back, try again and again. Go to another state, if necessay, and try again. Take Spanish speaking people with you, if possible, even if you can't always understand what they are telling you, but, somehow, that combobled back-and-forth leads to some kind of understanding. And slowly you will piece-together what you need to know. What I had to go through to get that darn national health insurance, would probably make most people leave and go back home--it can be that hard and humiliating--but, ah, the feeling of success, when, in fact, you succeed. That feelings surpasses many.

Give yourself a trials-and-error period of at least three to four months. You will be fluctuating from elation to despair--back and forth. For me. that time frame produced some preliminary results that let me know a little more whether I really wanted all of this, and whether I am ready to get the rest of my stuff, which stayed behind as a precautionary move , but you didn't know it at that time. We do have 6 months before the menaje becomes void. It's actually good that I have that much time to make sure I really want this life.

I am rethinking my expactation patterns on a daily basis. And the more I remain flexible, patient and persistent, the better I feel.

lisa


jennifer rose

Oct 5, 2003, 9:26 PM

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Ah, bureaucracy!

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Lisa, you and Martin have given some of the best advice ever about dealing with Mexican bureaucracy this forum’s heard in a long time. It does take time and patience to learn the lay of the land.

Remember, folks, sometimes gringo customers can be just as confusing to the person working behind the desk as he or she may seem to you. It’s a two-way street. Pleasantries, patience, and even asking about some continuing thread in their lives can go a long way. Sometimes I eavesdrop on foreigners’ dealings when I’m at the INAMI office, and I have a hard time understanding what they’re trying to ask for –in English. Imagine how the person who’s working there must feel!

How you’re dressed can make a big difference. Dress as if you’re there to do business, better than (or at least equally as well) as those who work at the office. I’ve been moved up to the head of the line at the driver’s license station just because I was dressed better than others standing in line ahead of me. This is a country where appearances really do count. Just the other day, a bureaucrat asked me about my Burberry purse, and after we discussed where the best deals on Burberry could be had, she softened her position.

Learn Spanish. Even if you never become totally fluent, at least try. Don’t go into an office expecting others to speak your native tongue.

Be patient, and be respectful. You may already know all the answers. Don’t come across like you do. Let the person behind the desk be the authority. If it reaches the point where you must challenge, do it rather indirectly. Don’t come on like gangbusters, whatever you do.

Never act like you’re in a hurry. Expect that there will be those ahead of you, and bring a good book. Allow plenty of time for a transaction, and in time you’ll find yourself pleasantly surprised.

Never, ever, criticize Mexico in any way, shape or form. Don’t compare this country to wherever it was that you came from. Foreigners are here as the guests of this country. No one, especially those working in government offices, needs to hear how the same procedure might be conducted in your homeland. Mexico sets its own rules, and it’s not a foreigner’s position to discuss how they ought to be changed, no matter how “helpful” you think a discussion about changing those rules might be. It’s your job to learn how to live with those rules and standards – not to enlighten those who live and work in this country.

Even when some of the steps and procedures may appear unnecessary to you, smile and do what you’re told. There’s a reason behind the way things are done here – even if it’s just “because that’s the way it’s always been done.”

The longer you're here, the easier it becomes.


(This post was edited by jennifer rose on Oct 5, 2003, 9:27 PM)


lbc

Oct 5, 2003, 10:10 PM

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Sometimes I eavesdrop on foreigners’ dealings when I’m at the INAMI office, and I have a hard time understanding what they’re trying to ask for –in English. Imagine how the person who’s working there must feel!



That's funny that you should say this. It really happened to me the other day at the INAMI in San Miguel. There was an aging American artist who was quick to point out to me that she left San Miguel. "It's nothing but one boutique after another," she volunteered out loud at the SM immigration office. She moved to Guanajuato which is much more diversified...and on and on she went. When it was her turn to talk to Mario (the nice MExican official--and cute--who does speak English) she refused to listen to what he told her over and over. At one point people who were also waiting, tried to re-iterate what Mario was trying ot tell her. She just snapped at the people who then rolled their eyes and gasped and shut up. I ended up sitting next to her at the table talking to the other man and tried to calm her down because whe was threatening, really threatening, to have a nervous breakdown right there on the table. She had been evicted, had no real address and wanted those officials to have pity on her since she drove all the way from Gto. to which Mario calmly replied, "Look madam, do you think this man behind you has it any easier? He came all the way on the bus from Irapuato. All these people in here have come a long way. You are not the only one." She could care less what he told her. She just wanted the law to be bent for her. And that was not going to happen.

I felt a little sorry for her and her frustration but also realized she was not in the right place and she certainly had no clue about how to handle people. Many other Americans also acted really weird and demanding in that office. Some did not want to wait and kept walking up to the desk, ignoring that they were dealing with somebody already.

You are right, Jennifer, that is a good place to go and do some people watching, and mainly get to see what not to do. Or find new friends. I got asked by Mario's side-kick, Jose, for a date!! There were some other foreigners from Argentina. We were all waiting to get our FM 3's registered. I ended-up driving them home to Celaya, getting to see a new town and I now have found some great new friends out of that office. Even the painter woman had asked me to visit her in Gto. But I haven't had time yet.

lisa


elcomputo

Oct 8, 2003, 7:11 PM

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Your advice to "Never, ever, criticize Mexico in any way, shape or form," it should be pointed out, extends beyond dealings with Mexican officials. It extends to ALL Mexicans, no matter what their age, occupation, or social status. Even the poorest -- even the most educated -- Mexicans are fiercely proud of their country. They know it has warts a-plenty, but they don't need somebody from outside telling them about the nation's failings. If they complain, you can commisserate, that's okay. But don't volunteer any opinions unless they're favorable.

As angry as I am with my home country right now, I don't want Mexicans telling me what's wrong with it. When you come down to it, they have no room to criticize our homeland, and we have no right to criticize theirs. If we don't like it, we can always go "home." If you consider Mexico your home now, albeit being a guest here, well, that's even more reason to clam up and consider the good things that keep you here.

Martin
 
 
 
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