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GoldenAss

Jan 17, 2011, 9:59 PM

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Recent graduate seeking to hide from economic reality; help!

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Hola,

I'm a young guy, unemployed and stagnating in the frozen tundra of the upper Midwest. I've been searching for a job for more than six months, but the routine of jobhunting at the library all day only to come home to my parent's house every night--after four years of independence--is becoming unbearable. I worked through my education and have a little money in the bank, and I've decided that instead of potentially sacrificing the next few months to the memory hole, I'd like to try a stint in Mexico for a while. I'd like to breath again, live more deliberately, and if I'm going to toss more resumes and cover letters into the abyss, I may as well do it from a Mexican internet cafe.

So I'm bursting with questions, but the information I'm finding is primarily directed towards retiring in Mexico, or at the very least, being fairly well-off and having a time down there.

I envision renting a place for a month or two and trying to make it on a couple hundred pesos a day. My father is convinced it would be too expensive; my girlfriend is sure that I'll be slain by a drug cartel. It's a giant country; any advice that I can get about renting month-by-month cheaply, and what regions I ought to hone in on is sincerely appreciated. I've got several years of book-learning Spanish under my belt and am ready to actually soak up the language.

I don't expect any luxuries. I want an experience.

Generous thanks in advance.



richmx2


Jan 18, 2011, 2:21 AM

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Re: [GoldenAss] Recent graduate seeking to hide from economic reality; help!

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Goldenass... I sent you a private message re: this.


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gpkgto

Jan 18, 2011, 6:45 AM

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If you have a college degree, you can get a job teaching English anywhere in Mexico--except in the beach areas and the Americanadian enclaves of San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato and Lake Chapala/Ajijic, Jalisco. Search teaching in Mexico. I have taught English in Mexico for 10 years (I have an advanced degree but no previous teaching experience.) I don't support myself by teaching, but I know many foreigners who do.


Maesonna

Jan 18, 2011, 7:45 AM

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Check out the English teachers’ forum. Many have asked your question, and the answers are there, including helpful specific advice about how to get started, where to go, what you need, etc.

It’s not that you have to teach English to work in Mexico, but given the large number of unemployed and underemployed Mexican graduates, your best bet to get work is to leverage the advantage you have of being a native English speaker instead of trying to compete for jobs in your field.

(This post was edited by Maesonna on Jan 18, 2011, 7:49 AM)


La Isla


Jan 18, 2011, 8:09 AM

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I live in Mexico City and work legally as an English teacher here. If you like big cities, this is the place to be and one of the best places in the country for looking for work teaching English. In addition to Dave´s ESL Cafe (link in Maesonna's post), you can check out the friendly folks at David's ELT World: http://www.eltworld.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=48 .

Good luck!


gpkgto

Jan 18, 2011, 8:40 AM

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For "real", non-teaching jobs, check out monster.com.


richmx2


Jan 18, 2011, 1:16 PM

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Not to highjack the thread (and perhaps we can start another thread on this topic), but SHOULD we be recommending English teaching as a means to survive in Mexico?

We have no control over the qualifications process, and, yes... a university degree of some sort and a native proficiency in English is sufficient for a position. Assuming, of course, there is a position, and a better qualified candidate isn't available.

I have both an undergrad and masters' degree in English... both from reputable universities... and really have to admit I was not a good English teacher. I don't think it's any reflection on me as a human being, just that my job skills set lays elsewhere, and I've been fortunate in finding a niche here in Mexico that gives me enough for a reasonably comfortable existence.

I'll give you that working as an English teacher (even a bad one) was my ticket into Mexico, but that was several years ago, and it appears that those minimally qualified, or just wrong for the job, are being weeded out much faster than in the past. I haven't kept up with that market, but it seems as if the Mexican schools — even the small for-profit English academies — are reluctant to hire those of us who just turn up here looking for a way to stay.

Two related questions:

How much good does it do Mexican students to have teachers who aren't trained as teachers, and/or whose skills sets aren't those a teacher needs?

I don't pretend to know the mysteries of that honorable art, but there were a few students who I think learned from me, but it had to do with other factors (private students, where our personalities or interests just "clicked", or where the student's special needs were met by some outside skill... I was a whiz at coaching one business executive in English memo-writing!). It seems to me that ESL training, and/or more than a passing familiarity with Mexican culture (and Mexican learning styles) would be a minimum.

Are we honest with people when we just say "you can always teach"?

I'm surprised more teachers aren't offended by the sub-text ("anybody who learns can teach" and damn few of us remember HOW we learned English in the first place). Not that some people don't discover they have a gift for teaching, and enjoy it, but I'm not sure how fair it is to people just to say "oh, you can teach English" and convincing them to move here (probably at great expense) without being able to honestly appraise their chances of a return on their emotional, physical, monetary investments.



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Rolly


Jan 18, 2011, 1:43 PM

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The law says that you must provide proof of your ability to do the job for which you are requesting a work permit. The nature of this proof will vary depending on the job as well as local requirements by your INM office. In general, this includes college degrees (diplomas), professional certificates (TEFL for teachers), etc. These will need to be notarized and have an apostille attached. They may need to be translated into Spanish. The INM office will tell you where to take the documents if they want a translation.

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morgaine7


Jan 18, 2011, 2:26 PM

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Interesting points. I have a Master's in TEFL but didn't last long teaching it. One reason was an aversion to the methodologies of the time, which caused me to be constantly thinking, "This isn't how people learn languages." But also it was never a "calling" for me as it is for many excellent (and not-so-excellent) teachers I've known. Like you, I never considered myself a good teacher other than with certain types of students, and my positive moments rarely if ever had anything to do with my training. I doubt I'd have been worse without the M.A., but I think I'd have been better in a more informal setting and experience-based learning, like Rolly's activities with his English students.

One of the best language teachers I ever encountered, though highly educated, had no formal teacher training. He did have an exceptional gift and absolutely loved what he did. It was impossible NOT to learn from him.
http://www.tonguesinteractive.com/

I've always looked upon teaching (of any kind) as more of a talent than a skill. But to paraphrase a line from a novel I once read, it's like prostitution … you'd better find out if you're any good at it before you try making a career of it.

Kate


tashby

Jan 18, 2011, 3:14 PM

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Re: [GoldenAss] Recent graduate seeking to hide from economic reality; help!

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All of this is very interesting, really it is, but I don't read anything in the original post that suggests GoldenAss is hoping to find work in Mexico.


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I envision renting a place for a month or two and trying to make it on a couple hundred pesos a day....

I've got several years of book-learning Spanish under my belt and am ready to actually soak up the language....

I don't expect any luxuries. I want an experience.


Are you talking about "200 pesos per day" just for living expenses not including rent? Or does the $200 MXP per day need to cover everything, including rent?

The former is definitely doable. The latter would require a very special (virtually free) living space. But even that's possible.


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NEOhio1


Jan 20, 2011, 6:15 AM

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I too didn't read that he wanted work, just an experience while continuing to email resumes out to the abysmal void known as the US job market for young people.

Basically if you can get yourself here, have a place to land for a short while and quickly nework with young people around town then by all means 'Come on Down'.

Here in Ajijic there are lots of young people, just like you, showing up, luckily for them Mom and Dad live here. anywhere from 23 to 48 these children of retirees are true refugees of the NoB situation and are cobbling together an existance here. I had no idea that so many expats run internet businesses, consulting businesses, article ghost writing etc... from here and that they employ people....preferably expats.


(This post was edited by NEOhio1 on Jan 20, 2011, 9:24 AM)


smokesilver

Jan 20, 2011, 7:00 PM

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I talked to a young man about a year ago who has lived in Ajijic with family for 9/10 years. He was here in NE Ohio giving seminars. Afterwards he immediately flew back too Ajijic. He does that often. Also he knew Johanson.


sandykayak


Jan 26, 2011, 1:40 PM

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Re: [smokesilver] Recent graduate seeking to hide from economic reality; help!

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Perhaps he could start in the house/pettsitting "business." Arrangements vary: some pay $10-15/day; others pay nothing but you live free (or pay some expenses).

Once he knows his way around, he could easily rent a room with a Mexican family. Of course, he hasn't specified which area of Mexico is "calling" him. e.g. a couple of years ago a young Mex/American gal had returned to Joco and was staying in her family's home (parents were in the US). She was looking for a roommate for $200 USD/month.

Another option might be to look for free housing with someone who needs help with errands etc.

To the OP: there's only one way to find out, but the consensus seems to be that it is doable.
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