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frito

Nov 2, 2009, 8:22 PM

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Hi Everyone. I'm a 48 yr old single guy who's ultimate goal is to retire somewhere in Latin America, possibly Argentina. I've worked for my company in several towns on the Mexican Border including McAllen where I got into RVing. I've lived in a travel trailer for awhile now and hope to live on savings at 53 until my small pension starts at 55. I've considered moving to Bolivia where it's very cheap but I've always wanted to try RVing in Mexico. The other thing is in 5 years if they are still alive I will have a pair of very old dogs. Pretty much committed to see them thru til the end so no transporting them to South America. So looks like Mexico is my best bet. Could continue to work but I'm certain I'll be eager to be independant as soon as possible.

So my question is the usual subjective one, how much will I need a month? Take away housing and utilities, assume I'll move maybe once every 3 months including border runs, eat out once a day at reasonable restaurants, catch maybe one movie a week. I'm not a partier, rarely drink. Amuse myself by reading(will have an Amazon Kindle), taking long walks, watching satellite tv, surfing the 'net. I hope to go the Philippines to maybe find a wife someday but for now just thinking of burning thru a couple of years until I have the company pension kick in. I should have at least $40k. What part of Mexico should I stick to to make that last? I really prefer the cooler, drier colonial cities. And how far south can I go and still have Dish satellite on the standard size dish? Thanks for any opinions and I'm not set in stone on the RV thing. If there's a part of Mexico that's considerably cheaper with good amenities and a mild climate I would be happy to rent an apartment if there isn't a RV park there.

Regards,
Frito


(This post was edited by frito on Nov 2, 2009, 9:46 PM)



johnv

Nov 3, 2009, 8:01 AM

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I wouldn't want to do it on less than US$1000 per month, which is also the requirement for an FM3 visa, if you plan on getting one. The "how much" question is very subjective, though.

The section of Mexico that is substantially cheaper would be the state of Chiapis.

RVing with dogs is possible. I've done it in Mexico.

Dish is picked up as far south as the state of Guanajuato, that I know of. Maybe farther south, but I am not sure. I am also not sure of the antenna size. Canadian ShawDirect has a much stronger signal south of the border, and can be picked up anywhere in the republic on a conventional antenna.


jerezano

Nov 3, 2009, 8:50 AM

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Hello Frito,

Strange that nobody has yet replied to your post. We have many RV'ers here in Mexico and you should be getting replies from them.

Let me make a stab at your question about how many dollars a month you might need to live here in your RV.

I don't have any experience with RV's or travel trailers but I should imagine your biggest expense other than food will be the cost of the diesel or of gasoline. LP gas is available at any town big enough to have a PEMEX station (diesel, gasoline and kerosene available.) It will be a different facility, however. You should be able to get a 20# or #30 pounder filled without problems.You will probably be able to get free water or at very reasonable cost wherever you might be. Electricity and disposing your waste could be a problem. There is a scarcity of RV or trailer parks here in México which from one point of view could be a good thing as they do cost. Nevertheless, if you speak Spanish you should be able to work out satisfactory arrangements with vacant lot owners, etc. If you don't speak Spanish it will be a bit harder but you will find that almost anywhere you go in Mexico the person you are trying to speak to knows somebody who speaks enough English to help you out. You can usually overnight at a PEMEX or perhaps a supermarket or other parking lot without any problems.

Discounting housing and rental costs which are of course the largest part of any budget you should be able to live comfortably in the northern interior of Mexico for about $1000-$1500 dollars a month including cost of electricity and water, a daily visit or two to a taquería, and your food and miscellaneous costs. A beer for example at a super market or tienda costs less than a dollar. I can get a hamburger, french fries, a glass of milk for $35 pesos (less than $2.70 usd at current exchange rates) where I live. Tourist areas and beach areas, etc. and unfortunately along the highways will be much more expensive. And a lot depends upon costs of maintaining your dogs. Twenty years ago when I brought my Dachshund to México I found that he preferred to starve rather than eat the Mexican dog food then available. But American brands are now available almost everywhere. Automatic laundromats are scarce and hard to find.

If you come into Mexico as a tourist you will not be granted permission to stay for more than 180 days.

If you can prove an established income of around $1500 us dollars a month, you can get an FM3 which allows you to stay here for a year.

Let me make a suggestion: Tepic in Nayarit (Pacific Coast) is an hour from excellent beaches but is at an altitude (about 2000 feet) where the tropic heat is tempered and more comfortable all year round. There is also on Insurgentes a pleasant trailer park with reasonable prices and lots of space. You might start there if you are currently living on the West Coast (you didn't say where you are now living) or find a trip down the Western coast of Mexico more to your liking. I personally don't like the Gulf Coast in winter time, although the coast north of Tampico is very reasonable in cost. Tampico south is more costly and the Yucatán penninsula on the Carribean Coast could be out of your league, although there are some RV'ers living there. Tepic is reachable in two days from Nogales by the cuota.

Oh! For an RV, and perhaps for trailers, the cuotas (toll) on the toll highways could drive you into bankruptcy although those highways are really pleasant and fun to drive, as well as being much less hazardous. So be sure and pick up the Spanish edition of the Guia Roji which is available on the internet. The Spanish edition is much more complete with road maps than the English but if you are language impaired the English edition is also available. Also any routes other than the Gulf Coast or the Pacific Coast will take you over some difficult mountain ranges. Remember that all distances and speeds in Mexico are measured in kilometers not miles so work out an easy conversion.

Dish satellite range depends on the company. Read the technical forum here on Mexconnect.

Hope this helps a bit and also that it bumps your post up to where other posters can see it.

jerezano
Magna gasoline at frozen $7.72 p/l and at 3.785 liters/gal. and $13 p/dollar is now costing $2.25 dollars/gal. More pesos per dollar cheaper gas & viceversa.


jerezano

Nov 3, 2009, 9:19 AM

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Hello RV'rs.

Still no reply. Frito, I suggest you do a google search for RV in Mexico. That will bring up all sorts of web sites including one from the Peoples Guide to Mexico. They will provide you with everything from maps of where you can find trailer parks to hints on how to RV in Mexico. If you still can't find information on how much it might cost for you to live here in Mexico those figures I spouted off are still pretty good in my opinion. You should be able to live very comfortably on the $1500 us dollars a month, even the $1000 us dollars a month but below that, yes, but being careful.

jerezano
Magna gasoline at frozen $7.72 p/l and at 3.785 liters/gal. and $13 p/dollar is now costing $2.25 dollars/gal. More pesos per dollar cheaper gas & viceversa.

(This post was edited by jerezano on Nov 3, 2009, 9:26 AM)


frito

Nov 3, 2009, 5:42 PM

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Thanks Jerezano and John for the great advice! Just got the new edition of "Mexican Camping" by Mike & Terri Church which shows some nice small RV parks in areas I'm interested in. They say the best park in the interior of Mexico is in Zacatecas. Appears most parks are on the coasts. I'll try to post a link to a great park in San Miguel as soon as I can. To the member who sent me the great PM will reply as soon as I can, working crazy hours now.


chinagringo

Nov 3, 2009, 6:23 PM

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You might want to check out the altitude in Zacatecas. A wonderful colonial city but the altitude may just be a factor. One of our favorite cities is Patzcuaro and I believe there are a couple of options there. A little lower in altitude but more of an interior city.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM


wendy devlin

Nov 3, 2009, 6:55 PM

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arbon and myself were RVers around Mexico some years back for several years.

A helpful source of up-to-date information are the various RVing sites with area specific forums. Like this one.

http://www.rv.net/...ead/tid/23016632.cfm

The Churches keep their books updated and also post up-dates from Mexican Rver's on their website.

http://www.rollinghomes.com/madds3.htm


db52

Nov 3, 2009, 6:56 PM

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I think you should be able to find some good information on the Woodall RV forum site.


jerezano

Nov 4, 2009, 9:09 AM

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Hello Frito,

If there is an RV site in Zacatecas City I have never seen it. But then I have never looked for one either. Please let me know where it is. It just might be in Paraíso Caxcán which is a whole ball of wax different. Temperatures there are warm.

It is cold here now. I live in Jerez at an altitude of just about 6000 feet above sea level. Yesterday even though sunny and beautiful remained cold never getting above 60*F. Today outside my bedroom window at 8:00AM (also a sunny day) the temperature was 48*F. Right now at 11:00 AM it is 58*F inside my house and 60*F outside in the shade.

I wouldn't advise anyone to come and visit us during the winter time. Zacatecas city is around 7000+feet above sea level which means that temperatures there are at least 3*F lower than they are here in Jerez. Nor would I advise anyone to visit Patzcuaro in the winter either although the altitude might be a bit lower than here in Jerez. But it does get cold there in the winter also. Most expats have fireplaces which they use, not just for decoration.

Don't be fooled by the official temperatures published for Zacatecas City. Those temperatures are taken at the Calera airport at a level more or less equal to that here in Jerez.

We have a local joke about the weather in Zacatecas City. Hay dos estaciones en Zacatecas; la estación del ferrocarril y el invierno. We have two seasons (estaciones) in Zacatecas; the railroad station and winter.

Enjoy your RVing here in Mexico.

jerezano.
Magna gasoline at frozen $7.72 p/l and at 3.785 liters/gal. and $13 p/dollar is now costing $2.25 dollars/gal. More pesos per dollar cheaper gas & viceversa.

(This post was edited by jerezano on Nov 4, 2009, 9:15 AM)


frito

Nov 4, 2009, 7:15 PM

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Hi jerezano, there are actually 2 parks, owned by the same people. The really nice one is at the Hotel Hacienda del Bosque:

http://www.hotelesdelbosque.com.mx

The other one overlooks downtown at the Hotel del Bosque. Facilities aren't as nice but supposed to have a great view. A park I really like is in San Miguel:

http://www.sanmigueltennis.com/rv

Found a blog talking about living in that park:

http://sweettooth.typepad.com/...trailer-park-li.html

There are parks in most major interior cities, many have minimal facilities. A new park is being built in San Luis Potosi which will probably be the one I spend the most time at. Good parks in Oaxaca and San Cristobal too and of course quite a few very plush parks on the coasts and in Baja California. Seems the majority of RVers are snowbirds who prefer the mild winters on the ocean.

Seems some here feel Mexico is becoming unsafe, possibly on the verge of anarchy. I've got about 5 years until I try RVing there. Might never get the chance if things keep deteriorating. And many of these parks won't be there if Americans stop coming. Guess will just have to wait and see.


(This post was edited by Rolly on Nov 4, 2009, 8:01 PM)


Rolly


Nov 4, 2009, 8:04 PM

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"...possibly on the verge of anarchy..."

Please don't believe every bad story about México. The sky is not falling, and neither is México.

Rolly

E-visit me http://Rollybrook.com
This is a good time to be living in Mexico.
A clean house is the sign of a broken computer.



frito

Nov 4, 2009, 8:29 PM

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Good to hear, thanks Rolly!


blackdexter

Nov 5, 2009, 12:35 AM

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just have a look...
and that not quite satisfies me :(
 
 
 
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