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TomG

Oct 3, 2003, 7:34 PM

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I moved this aspect of the Health Insurance thread over here so that it could air itself separately for clarity; and, hopefully, put together a body of knowledge (or scuttlebutt) on what could be a darn handy way to connect with US private and government healthcare options.

Here is what Esteban says in response to the subject of medical evacuation insurance:

I am real skeptical of these "medivac" services that are available. I'd be sure and check out the details of their service. Can you believe there is a jet, all set up for you at all hours of the day and night, just to fly you to anywhere in the US? And at a cost of $300? READ the details before you buy. Remember too that if you aren't stable to travel, there aren't many hospitals that will release you nor are there many "medivac" services that will have the equipment nor personnel to take you if you are in a critical condition. You might consider a Mexican Medical Insurance that will cover your expenses at a good hospital IN MEXICO and forget the B.S. trip up north. Grupo Imburso Financial has what looks like a good set of health insurance policies that may suit your purpose.

I know that Esteban is expressing a conscientious concern, but I assume, neither of us has used the service. So I thought we could try to collect any first or second hand experience with these kinds of services.... or at least rumors and opinions.

My wife and I purchased an air medical evacuation package after the one of the longest researches we have done on a health issue. We both called 3 companies at different times and probably called the 2 companies we were most serious about (SkyMed and MedJet are easily located on the internet) 3-4 times each, sometimes for 30 minute grillings. As is my habit when I am looking for a hook, I rake each issue over forward and backward. If there was a hook neither of us could find it. As it is one of the pillars of our overall medical plan we remain very interested in its potential effectiveness.

Cheap as people keep sawing Mexican healthcare is out of pocket, it can still add up. I know a man from Guanajuato state who had a temporary colostomy for an ulcer in his intestines. At the hospital and clinic connected with the University of Guadalajara the bill was up to $150,000 NP before he got his intestines reconnected. It was cheaper than the US, but still a lot of money.


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sfmacaws


Oct 3, 2003, 7:44 PM

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Tom,

SkyMed has a good reputation in the RV community and I've considered buying it. I admit I haven't yet done my research but I wonder if you would tell us which of the 2 you chose? I know little about MedJet but do have a friend who used SkyMed in July and was enthusiastic about the service. This was only from MN to AZ however.


Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán




TomG

Oct 3, 2003, 8:41 PM

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We chose MedJet. Its features were more appropriate for my wife.

Most people in Mexico probably would find SkyMed has the best features for them.

One of the major shortcoming of MedJet for people living in Mexico is that you can only be out of the USA for 90 days at a time. A 5-minute turnaround trip to the USA sets the stage for another 90 covered period, and so forth. As she will have to make return trips in that timeframe anyway, it fit us fine.

MedJet's major plus feature is that you only have to be formally admitted to a hospital to qualify to be moved to the hospital of your choice. A doctor does not have to say that your condition necesitates moving you to a better place. None of this means that much usually. But under certain circumstances some people may need very specific conditions.

We found web sites and pamphlets to be as useful as new car brochures. Calling them up and asking screwy questions is what I would suggest.

The stateside service is valuable as well. MN to AZ is a long distance when you are sick.

A lot of people are never going to get a condition where it makes much difference. Others have a higher probability of landing on the fringes.


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sfmacaws


Oct 3, 2003, 9:12 PM

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Thanks for the answer Tom. I'm not sure about MedJet but one of the benefits that endears SkyMed to RVers is that they will also transport your RV home and your companion. The two personal examples I know of, one involved a heart attack while in Alaska and the other was a brain tumor diagnosis while traveling in MN. In both cases, the patient and their partner were flown home asap and the RV was delivered within a week. They both were full of praise for the efficiency and kindness of the personnel.

Since we are both scuba divers and travel alot to dive, we have the DAN insurance which will transport you to the nearest chamber and in some cases home. We've never used it but feel it is a prudent thing to have. I'm starting to feel the same way about the above insurance. Not a pleasant topic but an important one.

Thanks again for the info.


Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán




TomG

Oct 3, 2003, 11:51 PM

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What you describe is what SkyMed said they would do.

MedJet will not drive your vehicle back, but will fly your partner.

MedJet was definitely better for my wife. There strong point seemed to be the threshold at which the service would be provided.


Esteban

Oct 4, 2003, 7:31 AM

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Tom: If I understand you correctly, your wife has to return to the states 4 times a year for the MedJet insurance to qualify her?

And, if you are in say Ixtapa, all you have to do is be admitted to a hospital and MedJet will fly you to a Seattle hospital if you so desire?

Thanks,
Esteban


TomG

Oct 4, 2003, 11:18 AM

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Not exactly.....A MedJet member can only be out of the country for a maximum of 90 days at a time. If one had a medical need on the 91st day supposedly would not have to evacuate you at your request. How they could know it was more than 90 days I am not sure. Anyway, not to play with fire, my wife needs to return within that time span for more reasons than this coverage. As we will only be in Mexico 6 months a year, that isn't so bad. But a 12 month resident would be faced with 4 crossing a year with MedJet, making SkyMed a more practical choice.

Yes, if you were officially admitted into a hospital in Ixtapa you could request to go to a Seattle hospital and the request would be honored when the admitting hospital says you are stabile for medical evacuation, if that were at all an issue. I think the stabilizing would be about the same standard that would be used for someone who had a serious accident in a small town in a small town and was taken to a local hospital. When they (the Emergency Room doctors, for instance) felt that the patient was ready to be moved to say the state university hospital, the patient would be on his way. The ready judgment is not MedJet's to make. People are move up the medical chain all the time for more advanced care, so this criterion for moving is, I would guess, is a practical one.

A much simpler example might be a person who is in Ixtapa, breaks a leg, and needs an operation to pin and set it. Preferring to have it done in Seattle because she has an aunt there who make good chicken soup, she requests to be moved to the Seattle hospital of choice. That is all the requirement there is, since medical stability for evacuation would not be an issue. In the middle of a heart attack, I would guess there would be a delay to stabilize.

For someone in potentially threatening health preparing a cocktail of cross border health coverage is not easy. With medical care being a product and the choices being available as individual consumer choices, everybody has to be his own expert. How would I really know what is best? And why should I have to know? When a person looses some of their aggressive administrative energy, then it seems, he is pure victim and product, unless he has a protector.


TomG

Oct 8, 2003, 7:24 PM

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Hi Esteban;

Here is an article from the Chicago Tribune of Oct. 5 2003 on the subject of medical evacuation.



When illness strikes on vacation





By Alfred Borcover

Special to the Tribune



October 5, 2003



As people prepare to go on vacation, they worry about what clothes to pack, about leaving home, their flights, their reservations, the weather, myriad things.



What most people don't worry about is getting injured or sick on their vacation. Why worry about such nasty stuff when the main focus is to have fun?



Hearing about the following incidents, however, can give everyone pause.



Ed Rosner, 60, a semi-retired attorney from Charlotte, N.C., and his wife, left in April from Ft. Lauderdale on a 21-day Holland America cruise to the southern Caribbean. A few days into the cruise, Rosner said he began to experience recurring chest pains. On the eighth day of the cruise, after spending several days in the infirmary, Rosner was told by the ship's doctor he should be treated ashore.



"Since we do a lot of travel, my wife thought it would be a great idea to sign up for MedJet Assistance [a membership program that provides its customers with air medical evacuation from almost anyplace in the world]," Rosner said. "My wife called MedJet Assistance and they took over."



The firm's doctors spoke with the ship's doctors and arranged for Rosner and his wife to be picked up in Grenada. Rosner said a ship's nurse and paramedic accompanied him to shore, where an ambulance was waiting to transport him to a private hospital.



"While we waited for a MedJet Assistance plane to arrive, the medical crew, with their equipment, stayed with me.



"When MedJet Assistance arrived, their nurse and paramedic took over. They were top-notch," Rosner said.



A medically equipped Learjet flew him and his wife from Grenada, via San Juan, to Charlotte-Douglas International Airport, where an ambulance was waiting to take them to a hospital. "The medical crew was in constant contact with my cardiologist and even had photocopies of my medical records."



Linda Sunderlage, 54, of Woodstock and her husband were on a bicycle trip in the Czech Republic in August. While walking in a small town near Prague, Sunderlage tripped on a cobblestone street and broke her kneecap. When they got back to Prague, Sunderlage's husband called MedJet Assistance, which advised them to get Linda admitted to a hospital. The Czech doctor who stabilized her leg spoke little English, but MedJet Assistance got an interpreter on the phone in minutes to speak with the attending physician. In short order they arranged to have Sunderlage transported by another medically equipped Learjet from Prague back to Chicago's O'Hare International Airport. An ambulance was standing by at O'Hare to take her and her husband to Northern Illinois Medical Center in McHenry.



"Everybody was very professional," said Sunderlage, who is still on crutches. "They went far beyond our expectations." Sunderlage, who works with her husband in a consulting business, said she had heard about MedJet Assistance from a friend and joined because they both travel for business and pleasure. "We honestly thought the membership would never pay off. We never dreamed they would do all this, but they did exactly what they said they would do."



"We have a system that works very well," said Roy Berger, president of MedJet Assistance, based in Birmingham, Ala. "We have about 90 affiliates in over 20 countries around the world. So depending upon where our member is, and where they need to go, we would use the closest affiliate, which makes a lot more sense than launching an airplane from Birmingham."



MedJet Assistance sells annual memberships--$295 for families, $195 for an individual. Recently added are short-term travel protection plans for 7, 14 and 21 days, whose rates range from $69 to $199. If you are hospitalized more than 150 miles from home, MedJet Assistance will bring you back to the hospital of your choice. The medical evacuation/repatriation services require only that you be hospitalized as an inpatient and need hospitalization upon reaching your destination. (For more information, call 800-963-3538 or see www.medjetassistance.com.)



"Our biggest competitor is travel insurance products," Berger said. "The difference between what they do and what we do is most conventional travel insurance will evacuate you to the closest appropriate medical center. Our program repatriates you. We'll bring you back home."



What happens, typically, is that there are three people involved in the initial transport diagnosis and recommendation: the attending physician, the member's personal physician back home and a physician at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, who serves as the company's medical director, Berger explained. The three of them talk to determine the severity of the illness or injury, the need for hospitalization and when and if the member can be moved, he continued.



MedJet Assistance, which has about 26,000 members, doesn't like to talk about the number of people it evacuates annually, but Berger described last August, with 17 airlifts, as "a very busy month for us." He said 60 to 65 percent of the transports are domestic because more people are traveling in the U.S. rather than overseas.



What's jarring about medical evacuations is how costly they are. Rosner's medevac would have cost about $22,800, Sunderlage's $50,000.



This doesn't mean that every traveler should rush to buy medevac or travel insurance, for that matter, but it does mean that people should take time to realistically evaluate their needs and what their personal health insurance covers. Seniors must be aware that Medicare does not cover them outside the U.S.



And, as Berger pointed out, travel insurance doesn't necessarily provide what MedJet Assistance does. But there are always variables.



At Wisconsin-based Travel Guard International, which recently increased medical evacuation coverage to $300,000, its travel insurance policy provides evacuation to "the nearest adequate medical facility or home if medically required."



"It's one of those situations where there's a number of factors that come into play," said Travel Guard spokesman Dan McGinnity. "One factor is the need for expediency. In some cases, medically it might make more sense to take the person to the nearest medical facility. And in other cases the decision might be to send the person home. It's a determination made among the attending physician, medical consultants for Travel Guard and the personal physician, if that person is involved, something we attempt to do."



McGinnity related a recent case in which a Los Angeles woman on a Princess cruise in Alaska experienced chest pains. The ship's doctor didn't have the equipment to make a detailed diagnosis so, at the next port of call, the woman was taken by ambulance to Providence Hospital in Anchorage. She was diagnosed with congestive heart failure.



After a few days, the attending physician determined the woman was stable enough to return home. McGinnity said Travel Guard booked Business Class seats on Alaska Airlines for her and a medical escort, arranged for oxygen on the flight and ambulance transport to her hospital, all covered by her Travel Guard policy. (For more information, call 800-826-4919 or see www.travelguard.com.)



"At Access America [a travel insurance firm based in Richmond, Va.], we get the people to the nearest place where he or she can get good medical care," said Beth Godlin, senior vice president for sales and marketing. "And we bring them back home once they are stabilized. We do get them home, absolutely."



Godlin said all the decisions are made by medical professionals, using doctors at the University of Maryland. "We'll have medical people talking to medical people to find out the nature of the illness or injury, what the local care protocol is, and we'll monitor the case. We'll use private air ambulances or commercial airlines, and we'll put medical people with them." (For more information, call 866-807-3982 or see www.accessamerica.com.)



Cruise lines, for example, deal with medical emergencies fairly regularly. Bill Wright, a captain for Royal Caribbean International and a spokesman for Cruise Lines International Association, a marketing arm for major lines, said ships have well-staffed and -equipped medical facilities on board staffed with doctors and nurses.



Wright, who currently is senior vice president for safety, security and environment for RCI and will become captain of the line's newest (no name or launch date yet) ship, explained the protocol that cruise lines use:



"What normally would happen is that the ship's doctor would make [the captain] aware that there's a guest or a crew member that has a medical condition, presumably life-threatening, in need of immediate medical attention. We start working. It depends on where the ship is in determining what options we have. We would normally contact our office in Miami and it would facilitate contact with the Coast Guard, if helicopter evacuation was an option. We would review where we are relative to ports that we know have hospitals and the ability to get someone to a hospital relatively quickly. It might require a diversion from the ship's itinerary."



Added Wright: "I've always felt that if you have to get sick, especially a serious illness, a heart attack--from my experience the most common medical emergency--a cruise ship is actually a pretty good place to have it. You have doctors and nurses with equipment on the scene within a couple of minutes, which will beat most big city emergency medical services."



While medical emergencies in the U.S. normally can be addressed with a 911 call, it's not the case overseas. Americans traveling abroad are advised to check out the State Department's Bureau of Consular Affairs Web site, travel.state.gov/medical.html.



Being aware of all the medical options should you need them can take some of the serious worry out of your trip.



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E-mail Alfred Borcover: aborcover@aol.com





Copyright © 2003, Chicago Tribune






lmaxine

Oct 11, 2003, 4:48 PM

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I went to a presentation about medical evac, I think it was SkyMed. What turned me off was that you have to have a condition that can NOT be treated in a Mexican hospital, something very rare and unusual. And, if a person is very sick and wants to be taken back to the US, they will NOT take you to where you want to go, but to the closest US hospital, usually in Texas, where that condition will be treated. But only if it is something that can't be dealt with in Mexico. For that reason, I bought a Mexican Major Medical plan, so I can be treated here as it's unlikely that I would have something so rare it can't be treated here, and then not be able to use the medevac.
"He upon whose heart the dust of Mexico has lain will find no peace in any other land." Malcolm Lowry


TomG

Oct 11, 2003, 6:55 PM

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sfmacaws's report of some RV'ers she knows of is as close as I get to firsthand experience with people who have actually had to use the SkyMed service. We did carefully go over their advertising stuff and we talked to them on the phone numerous times, drilling them with questions each time. What we heard was more in line with sfmacaws's reports. Our personal choice went ultimately to MedJet.

I second the request for more particulars on Mexican Major Medical plan. It really deserves a whole new major thread.


Carol Schmidt


Oct 12, 2003, 10:12 AM

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Just a reminder--please do not copy entire articles from copyrighted material into a post. The first few paragraphs or the most relevant few paragraphs plus a summary of the article and a link would be better. I've never known of a paper like the Chicago Tribune to actually go after someone who posts a copyrighted article into a forum like this, but they have the legal right to do so, and probably go after the forum organizers too! Thanks,

Carol Schmidt

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TomG

Oct 12, 2003, 1:37 PM

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Thanks, Carol.
 
 
 
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