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Mickey Kroon

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Does anyone know if high cholesterol (over 220) is considered a "pre-existing condition" by IMSS? Thanks!



DavidMTY

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Good luck to all of you, you each present a case which could go either way depending on a host of factors including the basic case history and the subjective review's opinion at IMSS. While the cholesterol issue should not be an issue as explained, definitely under a voluntary sign-up, there is no reason to complain about cholesterol That will be in the medical evaluation required for sign-up. If denied for that, argue it and you should convince them pretty easily. The other two cases present the voluntary signup problems if the meds can be seen as extensions of "treatment."<p>I spoke with IMSS in Monterrey, and they will deny any Diabetes (Type I and Type II were not distinguished by this reviewer). As a matter of fact both of the IMSS person's parents had Type II and would not be accepted voluntarily. That is based on criteria here in Monterrey, not on IMSS law and policy, which only prevents later complications sufferers from signing up. Since the person who attended me has a collective work contract with IMSS as their employer, they were accepted no questions asked along with their parents, grandparents, family, etc, under her. So if Flaco can't claim to control his condition by diet and exercise at the time of sign-up as recomended, "criteria" become a big issue, although IMSS governing law/policy does not. <p>IMSS, like most other health plans is not after picking up members who will cost a lot. A male in his late 30's for example, only pays about $120 USD annually (in advance) for individual voluntary membership. And you all know what meds cost.<p>However, like most government groups, IMSS is a big inefficient mess, which occasionally gives stellar service and excellent doctors, though frequently is it so complimented. Which also means there is much latitude to get in to the prospect who works at it.<p>First, we need to recognize the three basic ways one get on board. And realize that this is the IMSS - Medical Plan and no more of their offering.
(1) You were part of IMSS under your employer or the breadwinner's employer of your family, and the coverage you had was in effect at least until July 2001.
(2) You were never part of IMSS and want to get on under the "Voluntary" sign-up, and have no employer behind you.
(3) You get a job and your employer signs you up under his collective contract.<p>Under the first, you simply go to the IMSS delegation nearest and request reenstatement.<p>Under the second, the no pre-existing condition explained in other posts is the criterium. You sign up (or a head of family signs up with you covered) and coverage begins in a month or two. If they determine you have a pre-existing condition, they will not accept you, period, under the "Voluntary" route,perhaps giving it a year, though I am not sure on the latter.<p>Under the third, if your employer (or the breadwinner of the family)has a contract, you get signed up without the pre-existing condition restriction, though it might not be easy. I believe you might need a year before finally getting benefits if there is a pre-existing condition. With a clean bill of health, you get on board in a month or so. <p>Once in the system your history is there, so play it carefully first - being honest, though not going down paths that will be damaging to your application if not necessary. For example, mild Diabetes Type II controllable by diet and exercise might not even be identified by IMSS. And their policy/law does not blatantly exclude it. On the contrary. But if you say I have mild Diabetes Type II, someone invartiably will say: Diabetes? Sorry, not under the voluntary program. Meanwhile 5 others who had it but were not overanalyzed by the US doctors are blissfully signed up. They have no real symptoms that bother them. There is a very fine line in the combination of honesty, common sense and relative standards. IMSS may not alway be able to find your history, but rest assured they have the info in the big computer somewhere, like the phone company.<p>If one signs up for IMSS "voluntarially", they will say,


DavidMTY

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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: Does anyone know if high cholesterol (over 220) is considered a "pre-existing condition" by IMSS? Thanks!<p>I don't work for IMSS, but it seems rather far fetched that this were construed as a pre-existing condition a la IMSS. I say this because cholesterol is considered a "marker" in scientific terms, which is very different from a chronic or degenerative "pre-existing" problem. While a marker can indicate one is at higher risk statistically for some diseases, it is not a disease itself by definition. Plenty of people live long healty lives with astronomical cholesterol, though statistically on average they are worse off. It seems to me IMSS is after degeneracy, damage, or true disease. So as long as none have struck, it would be hard for the following requisites one must not have in order to be registered under IMSS, which I have attempted to translate as follows, could include a measly marker - as long as there is no present evidence that disease has already struck: damage, complications, trauma, disease, addiction, degeneracy, abnormality in function, infection, insufficiency, etc. <p>IMSS will not provide insurance to the head of the family, legal beneficiaries, nor additional family members when they have a pre-existing condition like:<p>*malignant tumors

*cronic or degenerative diseases like:

-complications related to diabetes mellitus

- Accumulative diseases (Gaucher's Disease)

- cronic liver disease

- cronic kidney degeneracy

- cardiac palpitations

- Heart degeneracy

- weakened heart/circulatory performance (arrymthia, angina o myocardiac lesion (necrosis))

-cronic lung disease with respiratory degeneracy

-degenerative diseases of the central and periferal nervious systems and

-damage caused from blood-brain disease or trauma

-degenerative periferal vascular problems, among others;

*chronic-systemic diseases of connective tissues

*addictions to alcohol or other toxic manias:)

*mental convulsions like psychosis and dementias

*congenital diseases like AIDS or HIV positive, and

*skeletal-muscular damage or trauma, or traumatic neurological problems that merit treatment

Hope this helps...David(MTY)<p>


Flaco

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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You list "complications due to diabetes mellitis." So just having diabetes (type II) by itself is all right? I have that, although I do not have to use insulin--only glucophage. Would I pass muster?


DavidMTY

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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http://content.health.msn.com/content/article/1667.54126<p>


DavidMTY

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Hi Pat,<p>Congratulations on the breast cancer (Cáncer de mama) success. Actually your case is easier in some sense than the Type II Diabetes case. But nothing is easy as a rule of thumb, let alone a shoe-in.<p>The fact is, you can be accepted into IMSS medical insurance per their policy provided there is no malignant tumor or cancer. Though the subjective criteria of the reviewer who does have the necessary authority, in your local delegation can give you problems. But the following comments are good as a guide:<p>If it has been over a year since anything was detected and you have stopped taking medications resulting from the treatments, it would be hard to deny you registration. That is the best case. Like if the Type II Diabetes could be controled, at least temporarily, by exercise and diet. <p>The fact that you are on a medication - any medication - resulting from the treatment is an amber flag, almost red- to the person reviewing your application. That is why I suggested, if at all possible getting off medication and controling by exercise and diet during the enrollment period for the Diabetes Type II case. My mother does take some medications related to estrogen production for health reasons. They are elective. Nothing to do with cancer, thankfully. What I am getting at is the basic claim in your case necessary to be enrolled: The cancer was successfully treated e.g. two or three years ago, and I have had absolutely no recurrance, and I take hormonal supplements (as well as vitamins) for my general well being. If they must be tied to the treatment, although the law/policy says you can be accepted, the decision is again subjective.<p>What worries me in you case is that Anastrozole is prescribed to inhibit estrogen production, typically to control growth of breast cancer that might have gotten through the treatment and that especially thrives on estrogen. You suggest to me and I don't doubt that it is simply a "precaution". (A precaution that I would not compromise) But in that light it would be difficult to convince someone, who perhaps does not have the sophistication to go to the bottom of the case and has a pile more of applications pending. It is too easy to consider you as still being treated, which would result in denying coverage. <p>I really wish these answers were easier, but they are individual and subjective, but then again, US plans are more hardnosed, if that is any lousy point of reference.<p>Please see my additional comment on enrolling in the IMSS system under the root post.<p>Best wishes,...David(MTY)<p><p>: David: How about breast cancer? I have completed chemo & radiation and so far everything is clean. I am on Arimidex to stop the production on estrogen. Will IMSS take me?<p>


DavidMTY

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Well, safe use of metformin requires you specifically don't have the types of chronic heart, liver, brain conditions which IMSS woulduse to refuse registration. I probably should have translated the "complication due to diabetes mellitis" better as:
"Late term complications due to Diabetes mellitis."<p>What you are really asking is whether Type II Diabetes is considered a condition which is cronic-degenerative. Well, it is chronic. I don't think it is seriously proven enough degenerative to deny you coverage. Although the IMSS law is on your side they have a little flexibility in review. This is a ticklish area, so tread softly and feel them out the best you can. Consider:<p>Mexicans are statistically much more likely than non-hispanic Americans to have the Type II Diabetes like you have. I don't see where IMSS could deny them all. Careful, although you don't have Type I Diabetes, I would not read more into the IMSS rules re: making assuming by Diabetes mellitis they are referring only to Type I. The strait fact is that a third of the mature Mexican population has Type II Diabetes of some sort, and a minority of them will at some point require insulin after causing degeneracy in the pancreas, and can lead to some of the degenerative conditions. So odds are you are perfectly fine, and odds are you will stay that way with a little help from metformin for a long healthy skinny life condemed to be full of exercise to keep the blood pumping and good levels of aerobic respiration going. Additionally, IMSS shouldn't be able to deny you as you do not exhibit any late term complications whatsoever from even a statistically bad case of Type II. OJO: Careful: If you had signs of Peripheral vascular disease, that is a reason to deny you IMSS coverage. <p>But we are assuming a little much on the IMSS law which is all I can really state, over policy vs. what will actually happen when you try to sign up depending on who you get reviewing you and what they understand. So you need to be insistent and crystal clear on what you already knew: "No tengo complicaciones tardías de Diabetes mellitis." Can you manage yourself by diet and exercise without the medication? I would try it for a while if the doc let me get away with it and sign up saying I was on no meds, feel them out carefully and cheerfully in the process. That is the best I can come up with.<p>And then for the big question, will they give you the metformin? They should, if you manage to sign up. <p>Good luck walking your fine line...David(MTY) <p>
: You list "complications due to diabetes mellitis." So just having diabetes (type II) by itself is all right? I have that, although I do not have to use insulin--only glucophage. Would I pass muster?<p>


pat

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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David: How about breast cancer? I have completed chemo & radiation and so far everything is clean. I am on Arimidex to stop the production on estrogen. Will IMSS take me?


pat

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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:David: Thank you so much for your answer. You told me exactly what I wanted to know; and I now know how to go about this. I think it can be done. Pat.<p>: Congratulations on the breast cancer (Cáncer de mama) success. Actua Hi Pat,
lly your case is easier in some sense than the Type II Diabetes case. But nothing is easy as a rule of thumb, let alone a shoe-in.<p>: The fact is, you can be accepted into IMSS medical insurance per their policy provided there is no malignant tumor or cancer. Though the subjective criteria of the reviewer who does have the necessary authority, in your local delegation can give you problems. But the following comments are good as a guide:<p>: If it has been over a year since anything was detected and you have stopped taking medications resulting from the treatments, it would be hard to deny you registration. That is the best case. Like if the Type II Diabetes could be controled, at least temporarily, by exercise and diet. <p>: The fact that you are on a medication - any medication - resulting from the treatment is an amber flag, almost red- to the person reviewing your application. That is why I suggested, if at all possible getting off medication and controling by exercise and diet during the enrollment period for the Diabetes Type II case. My mother does take some medications related to estrogen production for health reasons. They are elective. Nothing to do with cancer, thankfully. What I am getting at is the basic claim in your case necessary to be enrolled: The cancer was successfully treated e.g. two or three years ago, and I have had absolutely no recurrance, and I take hormonal supplements (as well as vitamins) for my general well being. If they must be tied to the treatment, although the law/policy says you can be accepted, the decision is again subjective.<p>: What worries me in you case is that Anastrozole is prescribed to inhibit estrogen production, typically to control growth of breast cancer that might have gotten through the treatment and that especially thrives on estrogen. You suggest to me and I don't doubt that it is simply a "precaution". (A precaution that I would not compromise) But in that light it would be difficult to convince someone, who perhaps does not have the sophistication to go to the bottom of the case and has a pile more of applications pending. It is too easy to consider you as still being treated, which would result in denying coverage. <p>: I really wish these answers were easier, but they are individual and subjective, but then again, US plans are more hardnosed, if that is any lousy point of reference.<p>: Please see my additional comment on enrolling in the IMSS system under the root post.<p>: Best wishes,...David(MTY)<p>
: : David: How about breast cancer? I have completed chemo & radiation and so far everything is clean. I am on Arimidex to stop the production on estrogen. Will IMSS take me?<p>
 
 
 
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