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elcomputo

Apr 7, 2003, 10:20 AM

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How do I move my stuff to Mexico?!

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Hi. This is my first time here, and it looks as though this may be a good place to subscribe to.

I had planned on retiring in Xalapa next year or maybe 2005. But circumstances have suddenly and unexpectedly forced me to plan moving there by this May. (The circumstances: the impossibility of finding work in Austin, Texas, and the impossibility of living off of Social Security in the USA.)

Having visited Xalapa last year, I decided it was probably ideal for meeting my needs. Friends are seeking an apartment for me there. My only problem now is moving my things there. By the time I dump or sell what I don't need, I will have a small van-load of stuff. But how do I get it down there?

Estimates from moving companies are too high. Rental truck firms will not allow equipment into Mexico. The only alternative I can think of is to put some stuff in storage, buy a used pickup truck, and make several shuttle runs from the border to Xalapa.

Anybody have any suggestions?

Martin



Rolly


Apr 7, 2003, 10:27 AM

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Re: [elcomputo] How do I move my stuff to Mexico?!

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Hi Martin,

Welcome to Mexico. Take a look here for some suggestions about moving down here.

http://rollybrook.com/...o_move_to_mexico.htm

If you have more questions, please come back here and/or e-mail me directly and I'll be glad to share my ignorance.

Rolly Pirate

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On Facebook as Rolly Brook


Esteban

Apr 7, 2003, 11:50 AM

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Actually, the truck idea was how I moved down here. First of all, I got rid of a lot of stuff that I had been carrying around for years. Then I packed my truck to the brim with the necessities and headed on down. In three trips I had everything I needed. Then, I sold the car in the States and bought a cheap VW....it's the one in the photo next to my name. No problem and life couldn't be better.


elcomputo

Apr 7, 2003, 4:39 PM

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Esteban,

Thanks. Can you give me more details? How did you do it in three trips? I checked out Rolly's information, and he says he had a similar idea but found out everything had to be listed and everything on the list had to be brought over at the same time. Also, did you have to use a customs broker? Where did you find one? I would probably be crossing over at McAllen.

Incidentally, when I returned from a trip to Xalapa last year (I took a bus), I noticed that there was an enormously long line of cars waiting to return to the USA. This was pretty early in the morning, but after what would be any rush hour (if there is such a thing for McAllen). I have heard about delays caused by the border patrol. But what is everyone's experience with this? Is it better, if you drive up to the Texas border, to simply park your car and take the bus accross?

Martin


Rolly


Apr 7, 2003, 4:52 PM

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If you use a menaje de casa, everything has to go in one load. The advantage of the menaje is that it allows you to bring your things duty free. If you not use a menaje, you can make as many trips as you wish, but you may be charged a duty fee. And you will have a problem with your used desktop computer. So it depends on how much stuff you have that may trigger a duty vs how much it will cost to deal with the menaje and one load.

Rolly Pirate

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On Facebook as Rolly Brook


Esteban

Apr 7, 2003, 5:28 PM

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The only thing I know about crossing the border is from Nogales. That was three years ago and in Mexico things change yearly, monthly, daily....sometimes hourly. I always crossed in the early morning like around 4 AM. Sure you can list everything but a box of kitchen stuff is listed as just that a box of kitchen stuff. I didn't have expensive items so I just put yardsale prices on everything. YOU determine the price of what you have to declare.

I would only declare if they forced me to do so. Two times, I just breezed on through the no declare lane. I wouldn't bring a desktop although I've done it. You could get caught. You may or may not get permission.
A lot has to do with how secure you feel talking with the border agents if you do get stopped. I speak fairly good Spanish so it didn't bother me. One time, at the temporary vehicle importation stop, I was asked to unload the whole truck. It was packed to the gills and when I opened the camper shell window, stuff fell out. Well, I started taking things out and asked if that was enough. "No, take out more" he replied. I took out about 6 more things and asked if that was enough. He said "No, take out more". I took our about 6 more things and asked if that was enough. He finally got sick of me and said "Get out of here". I always mark my boxes so if they point to one and ask me what's inside, I can easily tell them. I'm always friendly, courteous, happy and ready to do what they want me to do. I"ve never paid a mordida and at the Nogales crossing, it appears the Mexican Feds are watching closely for corruption. That was my take on it even though it may still go on.

In Mexico, never offer a bribe if you don't feel comfortable doing it. Just take the consequences unless the official asks openly for it and the amount is reasonable. Of course many would disagree with my scruples concerning this and would take it to the dire end for principle's sake....that's a personal call.

One time it was either go to jail for something I didn't do or pay 40 pesos. They actually wanted more, I had more but lied about what I had and got away with it. It must have been close to lunch time and they needed some food. They taunted me but I kept it very light. That's the only time in three years of living in Mazatlan that I've been unfairly hassled.

Talking and thinking about bringing your stuff across the border is completely different from the reality. You will find, that once you have to deal with the Mexican authorities and go through the process, it will be a piece of cake. The ones I have dealt with are courteous, polite and don't want to make their job any harder than it already is. When it's cold, and they are napping, early in the morning, some don't want to get into checking a whole truck load of personal belongings that obviously look like household items.

Buena Suerte


elcomputo

Apr 8, 2003, 12:05 AM

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Rolly,

What, specifically, is the potential problem with the computer? I picked up a brochure from the local Mexican consulate which deals with coming to Mexico on various types of visas, and it goes into some detail on bringing stuff across the border. There was a section which appeared to say that bringing in computers was not allowed. But my Spanish was learned about 40 years ago, and I need a lot of work on it.

Also, if I brought a lot of stuff across on the menaje and left a load of used clothing, shoes, and that kind of crap for pickup on another trip, how much duty could they possibly charge?

Martin


elcomputo

Apr 8, 2003, 12:13 AM

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Thanks, Esteban,

You and Rolly are being very helpful.

You prompt me to ask a question I had forgotten to ask before. What is the best time to come across the border? I wasn't sure whether it would be in the early hours, when there's less traffic, or at midday, when they're very busy. You appear to think the early hours are best.

Also, I'll ask you the same question I asked Rolly. What's the deal with the computer? It appears they do not want you to bring in a computer. Verdad? Porque? Would it be advisable for me to just bring my hard drives over and purchase a computer when I get to Xalapa? How about peripherals, like printers, CRT's, etc.?

Thanks again.

Martin


Rolly


Apr 8, 2003, 4:27 AM

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You can bring a used desktop computer with an FM3 and menaje de casa. Otherwise, it is not allowed. You can bring a laptop duty free, or you can bring a brand new desktop wih a 25% duty.

You can buy a new one when you get here. If your hard drive contains valuable stuff that you can't back up to a CD, remove the drive and bring it to install in your new box. That's legal. The only forbidden thing is the computer. Drives, CD players and burners, printers, scanners, etc are all allowed -- with a duty payment unless you have a menaje.

Rolly Pirate

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(This post was edited by Rolly on Apr 8, 2003, 4:29 AM)


elcomputo

Apr 8, 2003, 3:59 PM

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Thanks. Fascinating! Trying to figure out how and why they come up with these kinds of rules (a used desktop is okay if it's part of your household goods, but not if it's coming across separately) sets one's brain to whirling. So I won't. I guess one just has to approach Mexico with a very Zen attitude. So I will.

Martin


Madam  ZZ

Apr 14, 2003, 8:39 AM

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IBM has manufacturing facilities in Mexico, so computers except for laptops are considered a national produt. I have bought a "desktop replacement" laptop with a 2.4Ghz IBM processor in anticipation of my move to Isla Mujeres. Do you have an FM3? You will need that to get alot of your household goods in. I plan a couple ferry trips from Florida to Cancun or Progresso with a loaded car and trailer and return to sell the car and fly to Cancun. I live in Ohio. I have a lawyer and notaria assiting me in Cancun because I also plan to start a business on the island.


elcomputo

Apr 14, 2003, 9:08 AM

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Hi. Yes, I am obtaining an FM3, but I think I will first go in on a tourist visa so I can first get established in a rental down there. I will have my stuff in storage in Texas. Once established, I will figure out a way of moving the rest of the stuff across on an FM3.

Two things you write about interest me. One is the ferry from Florida. This could be, for me, an alternative to making the long drive from Veracruz to Texas every so often. What is the fare, with and without car? Where is its port in Florida?

If you come in on an FM3, can you start a business in Mexico? What is (in outline) involved in that?

Martin


Madam  ZZ

Apr 14, 2003, 9:29 AM

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I will get my FM3 when the corporation is sprung but you can do it with a lawyer while there and open a bank account with about 300 dollars. The corporation requires a 5,000US balance AT ALL TIMES. MayaLines.com will sail out of Miami. Another ferry service is going out of Tampa. Both offer nice accomodations and the one running now out of Tampa has a casino. Rates are very afforable, lower than the average airfare for the berth and the car. right now there are some problems with Isidor's damage to the ports which are being dredged.


Madam  ZZ

Apr 14, 2003, 9:34 AM

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Re: [Madam ZZ] Starting a business..

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In short, to start you need a lawyer, an accountant and if a land purchase is in your future, or you want background checks on your employees, a notaria. The accounant is most important and as an ex-pat, you will need to visit him/her every two weeks to have your reports completed.
 
 
 
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