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roni_smith


May 10, 2009, 7:11 PM

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Holy Cow - Just two years away!!

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I typically would have written holy crap, but I have a sense of propriety when it comes to thread titles.

It looks like we are within two years of retirement and moving to Mexico. It seems like we have a boatload of stuff to get done, including:

1) Projects on the house before it goes on the market

2) Sorting through stuff and getting rid of much of it

I'd like to read stories from ya'll about how you did these preparatory steps.

We fixing to do some project management spreadsheets or Gantt charts or something like that to help get us / keep us on track.
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MazDee

May 10, 2009, 7:47 PM

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Re: [roni_smith] Holy Cow - Just two years away!!

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I read Rolly a lot! That is about all I remember about that part, except for joining Mexconnect and the Mazinfo yahoo group, reading those and asking questions. Getting rid of "stuff" early is a v. good step, which I didn't take. I brought a few things I shouldn't have, and left a few things I wish I had brought, but I don't think anyone does that perfectly. I picked a really bad mover, and they damaged and broke a lot of stuff, and I didn't have the foresight to get the extra insurance. That is my only bad memory of the move, which was about 7 years ago. Yours will go better, because you are planning ahead.
Best wishes, Dee


cookj5

May 10, 2009, 8:20 PM

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We came down with the idea of renting rather than buying, given how overpriced the market is in the Lake Chapala area. Thus, our decisions might or might not track with what you are planning. We decided to bring down as little as possible in the way of household goods for two reasons:

1) We already knew that most places we might want to rent were likely to be furnished and therefore a big load of stuff would limit our choices and force us to deal with storage issues and costs.
2) We made an educated guess that if we did need household goods, it would be cheaper to buy them down here than to pay to ship them from a far corner of the US to where we would be living at Lake Chapala. After two years in Mexico, I believe we were right.
3) Staying light on our possessions, even after moving to Lake Chapala, would enable us to much more easily move around the area as we found better accommodations and/or better rental costs. It would also make it easier to move to another area in Mexico if we so decided. A big load of household goods would be a huge and costly anchor to drag around behind us.

The first thing we did to prepare was to come down and spend a little time in the Ajijic area where we intended to initially land. This gave us "boots on the ground" experience to help our decision-making regarding rental availability, neighborhoods, facilities and services available here, etc.

Next we made a list of everything we thought we might have to do from initially listing our US house for sale all the way down to where to stay while we looked for a rental apartment in Ajijic after we'd moved down. We made the list as detailed as possible, breaking it down into categories and subcategories.

I then calendared out the whole list according to when I thought each item might have to be done, or what period of time it might take to do. This gave us a very realistic "to-do" list and helped us put things in the order in which they would have to be done, and to generally prioritize.

As time went by, it felt really good to check stuff off the list and see how things were developing. That was important so that we didn't get overwhelmed and discouraged by the huge number of things we had to do. It also meant that we had very few occasions where we said "if only we'd done this before that..."

All of this was based on thorough readings of books like Head for Mexico, The People' Guide to Mexico, and Judy King's Mexico Insights website. We kept these as quick references and they were invaluable in their detailed suggestions.

All these steps paid off and our transition went far smoother than I expected, largely because we had studied up on, anticipated, and planned for virtually every eventuality. While there have been occasional difficulties, there have been few surprises.

Eventually, we crossed the border with our small car packed full of the minimal possessions we felt we absolutely had to have with us: our computer equipment (communications, on-line banking, music and video capability), sturdy, sensible clothes (having already checked out the climate), a couple of boxes of favorite books (in case English language reading materials were scarce), some basic tools for household repairs, and all the documents and paperwork we could possibly anticipate we might need. And that's about it.

The only thing we now feel we would do differently would be to offload the rest of our possessions now sitting in a storage locker in our old US town. We were not absolutely certain that Mexico would work out, so we kept enough furnishings for a US apartment if we moved back. We're pretty sure we won't be going back, at least not to the US, so all that stuff is just sitting there, costing us $1000/year storage. But that's about all we would change.

Hope this was helpful, and we're glad to hear that you are soon to unchain yourself from the US rat-race and join the wonderful world of expat retirement.


Judy in Ags


May 10, 2009, 8:58 PM

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'Last I remember reading from you, you hadn't decided yet where you'd be settling. Has that changed?


roni_smith


May 11, 2009, 6:17 AM

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Hi Judy,

That has not changed. We have not made a firm decision on where to settle.

Gotta get ready for work now. I may write more on this later, if there is interest in our thoughts.
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roni_smith


May 11, 2009, 6:59 AM

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Thanks for the detailed reply, cookj5!

The early part of the process you describe tracks pretty much with our experience. I hope all the early research and trips to Mexico and our communication and meeting with expats who have moved to Mexico brings us similar benefits in terms getting a relatively smooth move!!

Ron
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Judy in Ags


May 11, 2009, 7:24 AM

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'Sure, Ron, I'd be interested in knowing what criteria you're using to narrow down your choice, etc. when you have time to share.


roni_smith


May 11, 2009, 8:26 AM

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Re: [MazDee] Holy Cow - Just two years away!!

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Thanks Dee,

We have read Rolly a lot also :).

Planning can help, but it does not guarantee a good outcome.
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BajaGringo


May 11, 2009, 10:59 AM

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Man Roni, you are TOO ORGANIZED!!!

I was a checklist kind of guy and it ended up driving me crazy as Mexico seems to find a way to throw you a different curve ball for each and every thing you think you have planned for.

After all these years I still believe that the decision to move here was the best thing I ever did...

Good luck to you!


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yucatandreamer


May 11, 2009, 1:46 PM

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I too was kind of giggling at the organization and lists. They probably will help North of the Border but you should probably only think of them like guidelines once you cross into Mexico(sort of like the maps). If Mexico has taught me anything it is to expect the unexpected. You can plan all you need to but refrain from planning the outcome.


roni_smith


May 11, 2009, 3:10 PM

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Most of our planning so far relates to things we need to do in the US, to get the house ready to sale and to get ready to move.

I think that learning about how things work or don't work, or work differently depending on what office you use or what state one is in (etc...) can be beneficial

For example, spend a little time talking with people who live in Quintana Roo about their experiences getting their retiree FM-3 renewed. Then go talk to people in Yucatan state about the same process. If you are unable to talk with folks about it, do some searches and read some stories.

Many Americans might be surprised at the wildly divergent experiences in two neighboring states.
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sparks


May 11, 2009, 3:56 PM

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We fixing to do some project management spreadsheets or Gantt charts or something like that to help get us / keep us on track.


Holy crap .... are we talking retirement here or not

I was in a rental before I retired so greatly reduced my accumulation. I'm also single. I can't imagine bringing much more to Mexico than the money that you need to live on - everything else is here

Once you quit that job .... you have wings, or at least you should. Maybe counting the days will help. And if they bring in another level of management to piss you off ... quit early - I did !!

Sparks Mexico - Sparks Costalegre


roni_smith


May 11, 2009, 4:04 PM

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Hey Sparks, I am at a community college in the PNW - as I believe you were. I have a great direct supervisor and our office has a great VP we report to. Those two folks are relatively new - within the past few years, and I am happy at work. There is a point at which I will become eligible for some early retirement benefits (unless they get bargained away in the current contract negotiation). Those are significant enough to provide an incentive to stay at least another 18 months.
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jennifer rose

May 11, 2009, 4:59 PM

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Understand that the delegados in INM offices do change periodically. Offices which had problematic situations one week may be completely different the next.

Your time might be well spent deciding where you plan to live in Mexico, because that will determine what you should plan to bring and what to jettison.


sparks


May 11, 2009, 5:04 PM

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Just kidding of course ... but retirement and moving to Mexico are so different than our past lives that dissolving of spread sheets can start early. Beyond getting rid of the house assets not much else matters.

Sounds like you are on a larger more professional campus than I. Early retirment mean you must have been there for awhile.

Sparks Mexico - Sparks Costalegre


roni_smith


May 11, 2009, 6:24 PM

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We have been traveling to Mexico since 2003. In those trips we have been to the Caribbean side of the Yucatan, mostly Playa del Carmen and Isla Mujeres. These have been mostly wonderful beach vacations, but we have no interest in living there. We have spent time on two trips in Merida. We enjoyed the city a lot. Meridanos were gracious to us and proud of their city. Expats we met with there likewise. Merida has several things on our list of amenities/things we want or think we might like - but then so do lots of cities.

We have also traveled to Guadalajara and spent a little time in Guadalajara, Ajijic, San Miguel de Allende and Guanajuato. It is obvious that there is a lot more we have not seen than what we have seen. We want to explore more than we will be able to before retirement, so we are thinking that the decision might on where to land first and second for a period of more exploration.

We have, over the years, received suggestions for places to look at and spend some time in. Jerezano seems a fan of Tepic and others have recommended other places. I am interested in seeing and spending some time in Colima and in Mazatlan. That does not even touch on other places, like Morelia, Patzcuaro, Queretaro and on and on.

So we are thinking the first year we might split between a couple of cities, one in the west central part of Mexico, and Merida using that time for exploration. Maybe a June to October around Guadalajara followed by Nov-April in Merida followed by a decision on a more permanent location. Thinking furnished rentals in both locations - and they seem available in both.
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