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Nutibuddy

Jul 24, 2003, 12:46 PM

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My boyfriend, Daniel, and I were talking tonight about Mexico and he is afraid that the doctors are not good enough in Mexico, etc. etc. I tell him that it is not true. He tells me that he has seen it on t.v. and in the papers. Does anyone have a story to tell about how much a Mexican or American doctor has helped you in Mexico. It would be very much appreciated, so I can show this to him.

Thanks.

Kathleen


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Bubba

Jul 24, 2003, 3:58 PM

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I promise you that doctors here cannot be trusted as much as doctors anywhere cannot be trusted. On the other hand, I wouldn't trade my doctor in Jocotepec for all of my Northern California quacks put together. I am a U.S. native and my wife is a native of France. I can assure you that the quality of physicians and hospitals in Guadalajara puts the U.S. and France to shame. If that is your hangup, relax and come on down, y'hear?


Madam  ZZ

Jul 24, 2003, 5:47 PM

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My father was a doctor and as someone with MS, I'm sort of a professinal patient. The doctors on Isla Mujeres, including my Mexican educated doc and my British Royal Academy internist are great! There was a period in the 70s when US med schools weren't taking many students. Many of the docs in the US have UNAM diplomas on their walls and they passed their boards first time! One story of over a decade ago: A woman broke her hip on bad steps on Isla. This was before Isla had an ambulance. He went to Cancun with her on a pick up truck on the ferry, into TotalAssist, look for screws to match up and put her hip together. She is dancing these days. He calls it improvisational medicine! It is shear talent.


Nutibuddy

Jul 24, 2003, 11:48 PM

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I wanted to thank those of you who have replied to my question about doctors in Mexico.

Kathleen :) :) :)


D.G.

Jul 25, 2003, 6:04 AM

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As a testimonial, I went to several U.S. doctors with a dermatological rash. The best they could do was suggest I use cortisone topical treatments, but the rash never really went away.

When in Mexico, the rash was bothering me again, so I went to see a Mexican dermatologist. She saw me in her office, looked at the rash, said she thought she could give me some relief, gave me a prescription, and charged me $25.00.

I took the ointment she prescribed, and the rash I had had for years went away.

I'm a firm believer in Mexican physicians.


pathall

Jul 25, 2003, 8:42 AM

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My experience last winter leaves me in complete awe at the Mexican medical system. I spent a bad night with a bad stomach and called the doctor's office at 7:30 am, thinking I might be lucky and get her receptionist so that I could make an appointment. Instead I was pleasantly surprised to get the doctor on her cell phone at home. I explained my problem and she said I needed lab tests but that I probably didn't feel like going to the lab. I said that I could make it there, but she insisted that I wasn't well enough to go to the lab. Instead she would send the lab to my home. A half hour later a white-coated lab technician showed up and did the tests while I was in bed. By noon the results were faxed to the doctor and I had an appointment with the doctor by 1 pm. By 2 pm I was back in bed with a prescription and on my way to recovering. I shudder to think of all the time (days) I would have spent running around here at home in Canada. Plus would they have found out what was wrong with me here so quickly?


Don


Jul 25, 2003, 9:42 AM

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You will find in the U.S. many doctors are restricted by insurance companies. By that, I mean they they are restricted by the tests they can perform on a patient. Some insurance companies will not allow certain tests, unless very necessary, as they are expensive. Here in Mexico, doctors run the tests necessary, to diagnose the problem. The tests here are much cheaper and therefore, used more often by the doctors.


Carol Schmidt


Jul 25, 2003, 1:58 PM

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After facing some really serious medical problems while living in Mexico, my surgeon said that he had run out of options, I was running out of time, and he needed to do exploratory surgery. I panicked and ran back to the States.

After a month of far more expensive tests and totally disjointed and chaotic mis-communication and delays between insurance and health care providers, I got exactly the same diagnosis. And all the U.S. doctors concurred that my Mexican doctors had done exactly the right things. They charged far less money and were far quicker and personally concerned as well. Many of them had trained in the U.S. and met the same credentials (Fellow, Diplomate, Board-Certified, etc.) as my U.S. doctors

Now, am I staying in the States at a major medical center for the risky surgery rather than going back to a 15-bed Mexican hospital with no backup blood supplies, etc.? Yes. I have heard of people dying because of a shortage of blood, and mine is rare. That can happen in the U.S., too, of course. I bet the rate of deaths from hospital/doctor errors are the same in both places--far too high anywhere in the health care system/

It's taken 6 weeks from my arrival in Phoenix until the surgery date, and it would have been long over with if I had stayed in Mexico, however.

There are pros and cons about the health care systems in both Mexico and the U.S., and the cons predominate in the U.S. system as well. If you're really sick, you're in trouble no matter where you are. Routine care is, I think, better in Mexico. My prescriptions and co-pays in the States cost more than the whole bill in Mexico. An ER stay and two days in a private hospital in Mexico, with all ER charges and seven visits from a surgeon, and about $400 worth of IV antibiotics, was $840 total charge. The Medicare deductible for a U.S. hospital stay is something like $800, or is it $1000 now, and then you pay anything over 80% of "customary charges" as well, and all doctors and radiologists, etc., bill in addition.

So the naso-gastric tube and IV operated by gravity, not pump, they worked just fine. The IV prescriptions were in reusable glass bottles, not disposable plastic, and I broke one trying to swing along the hospital corridor with an old IV stand, whereas everything would have been newer in the U.S. and all electronic and disposable and more expensive. Just noting, for what it's worth. As I said, the U.S. doctors told me the Mexican doctors had done everything exactly right.

I'm glad I knew some Spanish but should have known more. The doctors mostly spoke English but the aides and I had a hard time sometimes. This was one time when I truly wished I had studied my Spanish harder.

Carol Schmidt


miguelblanco1

Jul 27, 2003, 5:03 PM

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My wife is Mexican (Tapatia) and I can tell you what she's told me, and how that relates to our own experiences with dentists and doctors.

I took my wife to a dentist here in the states for a dental check up - she was having no problems at the time. The dentist told her she needed bridge work which she did. He botched the bridge work, causing her to need a root canal. But he could not - or would not - diagnose the root canal, as it meant that the bridge he just made would have to be taken out to do the root canal.

We went to another dentist here in the states who did the root canal. Several weeks later, we realized that he botched the root canal, and now she had an abcess that would require surgery into the area above the tooth (into her gums) to get rid of the infection.

She went back to Guadalajara to have the surgery and have the bridge re-made. I had paid around $2200 for the bridge and root canal here - that's WITH dental insurance! Of course, all that was down the drain, as the bridge and root canal were bad.

She had the surgery there for around $120 (would have cost $1000 here), and the bridge work was done there for around $200 (would have cost $1200-1500 here). Both seem to have been done well, and the dentist said he gets many cases where he has to "Fix" the damage done by bad dentists here in the states.

Of course, the dentists here say that one should never go to a dentist down there, and one even told me a horror story about a friend of his who went to a hospital in Mexico, to reinforce his position on how bad dentists in Mexico were.

The bottom line is this: Don't go to ANY dentist or doctor ANYWHERE without getting a good recommendation. There are many bad dentists and doctors both here in the states and in Mexico. I have encountered many of them here in the states, personally. I think one is better off to stay away from doctors and dentists.

But when you really need a doctor or dentist, just ask around and find the most highly recommended one you can find, and go there, and do your own research into your condition, and look into any drugs they want to give you - especially if it's a long-term or permanent condition - and make the decision for yourself if it is something you really want to get hooked on for the rest of your life.

My doctor wanted to put me on lipitor for the rest of my life (a cholesterol medicine) and I researched it and decided it was too dangerous to take. I switched doctors over it, and the new doctor told me he agreed with me, that one should only take lipitor if NECESSARY, not as a preventative.

So my point is, be careful about going to any doctor, be wary, take their advice with a grain of salt, and if you are having any dental work or surgery be very sure that it is a GOOD doctor or dentist doing it, and then pray that they don't make a mistake!

To answer your question, more specifically, there are good doctors in Mexico, but look for recommendations and be very choosy.


Madam  ZZ

Jul 30, 2003, 8:55 PM

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On that note, my dentist here has written a suggested treatment plan for a Mexico dentist. He said the crowns would likely be better than what labs here produce for him. Yep, I'm of an age when crown replacements need to be contemplated and where I am moving, the going rate to locals is 500 pesos a crown. somewhat more if I go to a world class dentist in Play del Carmen who also does implants. Reommended by a British internist who has lived in Mexico for 12 years.


daniel27

Jul 31, 2003, 6:46 AM

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Can you supply the names of the dentists in the Playa del Carmen or Cancun area that you mentioned in your post.



Dan


scbrian

Jul 31, 2003, 9:39 PM

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Can anybody give me a reference for good dentist in Quadalajara general area as I plan to visit in the fall for possible retirement relocation and need extensive bridges/caps.....thanks, Brian


miguelblanco1

Aug 3, 2003, 3:46 PM

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I will get you the name of the one my wife went to. But take it with a grain of salt, because while everything seems to be good, I am skeptical about the work of ALL dentists. I have seen problems with about 5 denitsts here in California and in Indiana during my life, and sometimes they have seemed good at first, then later I find out they screwed up!

All I can tell you is that this guy teaches dentistry at Guadalajara, and that he was recommended my wife's sister who just completed Dental school I dont have the name/address right now, but I'll get it for you tomorrow. My wife has had several things done by him and I've SEEN no problems so far...


garth

Aug 4, 2003, 8:51 AM

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Here’s my Mexican Health care story: I bring my widowed Mother down to see Michoacan. See was 71 at the time, in good health, a seasoned world traveler, a real trooper ( like how many people do tequila shots with their mother? ) We do Morelia, outlying areas, move on to Patzcuaro. So we do the Janitzio tour. The rest in my party do not even try to make it to the top, just my mother and I. It’s not difficult, but it is a steep trail through the merchants. She makes it in good shape. On the way down she’s moving rather fast and I warn her to slow down. But no, she hits a wet patch of stone and out goes her feet, back goes her arms to catch herself and snap goes her left wrist. The pain isn’t bad and we get her rings off quick before the swelling takes over. I think to myself, how more obscure can we get? The central highlands of Mexico on an island in the middle of a big lake. So we finish the trip down to the dock, the boat over to the shore, taxi back to the Posada Don Vasco where we are staying before we planned on moving to the Iturbe. We get to the Hotel and ask for the house doctor. Within a half hour a young doctor arrives who speaks decent English and for the next 5 hours he chauffeurs the both of us around in his open air Suzuki runabout to the X-ray lab, the Pharmacia and his clinic. He calls in another doctor to his clinic to consult and help set the wrist. She gets a general anesthetic and the wrist is set. He delivers us back to the Don Vasco and charges us $ 400.00 USD for the experience. I could not be more impressed! It was on a Friday because the good doctor was a little embarrassed to ask if he could stop for a couple of minutes at the Friday native Tianquis and purchase some earthenware cups. It was on the way back from the Pharmacia but before the re-set of the wrist. The consulting doctor even fished around for a music tape and knowing we are from the Chicago area, plays New York New York on the little tape player in the room after setting the wrist. I think that’s Mexico! She did have the wrist reset in the states, but the doctors there said the break was a difficult one, and the movement of the hand probably pulled in out of alignment. We finished our trip then and are going back to explore in depth this winter. We know we can rely on the local health care system to take good care of us.


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Bill_N

Aug 4, 2003, 5:09 PM

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I don't have in depth experience with Doctors in Mexico but I can relate what people told me about Doctors when we were visiting the Chapala area recently. Everyone we spoke to about doctors was unanimous in their praise for the personal treatment, great bedside manner, and expertise of doctors. We didn't hear any "horror" stories and in fact everything we heard was very positive.

One night while we were on vacation about 6pm my wife was having stomach cramps and diarrehea (a bout of turista). At one point she felt it might be more serious and asked me to ask our B&B operator to call a doctor. The doctor was not in the office but the nurse said he would be back around 10pm and would be glad to see her then. The nurse in the meantime prescribed a Kaopectate type medication that had some kind of "cyn" on the end of the name and contained somekind of pennicilin type medication in it. (Actually it wasn't an official RX, she just gave us the name of this medicine and told us to go to a farmacia and get it). Probably in the states it would be a prescription medication if it was even available. But anyway, this medicine cured her problem almost immediately. I mean that literally. She started feeling better after the first dose. Next morning she was fine. We never did go see the doctor at 10pm at night.

But I am sure that we would have had to go to an emergency room in the states with a similar problem. No doctor would see an unknown patient at 10pm at night. This experience confirmed to us that Doctors in Mexico are much more "patient oriented" than they are in the States and I think personally this goes a lot further than some degree from a prestigious US medical school. And, I can't argue with the cure. It didn't taste too good but it worked like magic.

Regards,

Bill

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alex .

Nov 13, 2003, 11:45 AM

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that is, my wife is on the road to Tijuana to have my daughter's eye infection checked out at the Clinica Nueva de Tijuana. I have insurance in the US, but it would be 3 weeks to see a pediatrician here. Urgent care isn't interested, because, well, it isn't urgent. At least not to the administrators. In about 3 hours they will have returned home having seen the doctor, been diagnosed, medicine perscribed, medicine purchased & administered. All with no appointment.
Alex
 
 
 
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