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roni_smith


Nov 10, 2008, 8:53 PM

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Being a social science research kind of guy (Research Evaluation Coordinator at a major community college), I got to wondering today about the following:

Allowing for individual differences, are there some general statements that can be made about the type of folks who choose to move to different parts of Mexico for retirement?

Morelia, Ajijic, San Miguel, Merida, Puerto Vallarta, Mazatlan, Lerdo (hi Rolly), Jerez (hi Jerezano), the gulf coast, Guanajuato, San Cristobal.

Even with close physical proximity of each other - Ajijic v. Chapalav. Jocotopec; Morelia v. Patzcuaro v. more rural areas near there?

Merida and the Gulf side v. the Caribbean side of the Yucatan Peninsula?

San Miguel v. Queretaro v. Dolores Hidalgo v. Guanjuato

Hermosillo v. other places on the western side of Mexico.

La Paz v. Todos Santos v. Los Cabos v. other places on the Baja Penisula

and so on.

Discuss :)
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TlxcalaClaudia

Nov 11, 2008, 6:06 AM

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Seems climate is the #1 reason I hear. I went to cold and out of the way places because family (I married into) are there or close to where I was at the time. I was often the only gringa for miles around. My reasons: proximity to hubby's fam. I am not at all sure I'd move to Mexico like some adventurers here if I didn't have hubby's fam there to be honest. Mexico just happens to be the bonus that goes with being a gringa in that family.


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Rolly


Nov 11, 2008, 6:37 AM

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I didn't choose Lerdo. It came by default when I decided to accept the invitation from my friend to come live with his family. If I could have chosen the city to live in, Lerdo would not even have made the list of possibilities. I hate summer here -- so damn hot!

Now that I am settled in and have made many friends, I am quite happy -- except in the summer Smile.

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Ed and Fran

Nov 11, 2008, 7:09 AM

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Claudia: I went to cold and out of the way places because of family .

Rolly: It came by default when I decided to accept the invitation from my friend to come live with his family.

Me: Here in Tuxpan (pretty out of the way) because Fran's from here and most of her family is still here..


Sounds like a pattern developing here.



Rolly: If I could have chosen the city to live in, Lerdo would not even have made the list of possibilities. I hate summer here -- so damn hot!

Sounds about how I feel about Tuxpan. Although I have to admit that right now it's very comfortable.


Willie1

Nov 11, 2008, 7:09 AM

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We personally chose Mazatlan, primarialy due to it's proximity to the U.S., in case we needed to get back in an emergency - which did happen on 9-11. I was still working part-time and had to get back and the border was closed to air traffic, so we had to bus it back to Phoenix. Now that I am re-retired, we are considering other points south.

It seems that most people that are here full time and are retired, have chosen Mazatlan in part for the cost of living, which is going up now. Housing was very reasonable but we have been "discovered" and the really good bargains are few and far between. But the building projects still go on..........

Willie


Gringal

Nov 11, 2008, 8:14 AM

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Climate was a biggie when we were making the decision. We would have loved living by the ocean, but the heat and humidity eliminated that option. We visit the coast....in the cooler months.

The highlands have the fine weather, and we did want to have some other expats around as well as a good infrastructure, so we chose San Miguel de Allende and lived there for three years.

After developing lung problems, I needed to get below that altitude and (believe it or not) the bad air pollution in SMA. Ajijic was next and here we are. The weather is much better than SMA, especially in winter. While SMA is having a big chill right now, we are out in shirtsleeves. yessss.

As for the social aspects of where retirees settle, people tend to make generalizations, whether they fit or not. The SMA bashing of the Lake Chapala area is a perfect example. The picture of this place as super-conservative, retired military types was true 30 years ago. Now, the demographics have changed and there are more liberal ex-teachers than there are majors. In a large expat community, there are plenty of like-minded people to choose among for social interaction.

I've been amused by the similarities to California, where everybody in the L.A. area just loved San Francisco, but the San Franciscans looked down their noses at the Southern Californians. After living in both places, all I can say is that humans have a tendency to find "reasons" for feeling superior...based on location. Funny.


jennifer rose

Nov 11, 2008, 12:13 PM

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What a great idea for a thread!

I don't think that climate is the sole, defining factor for selecting a venue. Those who live at the beach have to put up with uncomfortably hot weather during the off-season, and those who live inland can suffer greatly during cold winters.

Retirees who are seeking a palette of activities and amenities driven by other English-speakers gravitate toward expat-centric locales. Those who don't care about the availability of English-language speakers, classes and programs conducted in English, or even clubs and organizations of English-speakers move elsewhere. For the most part, those foreigners living in areas not heavily populated by other foreigners disdain clubs and organizations.

A lot of foreigners will get all worked up over the existence of a university, thinking that will foster a community of intellectuals thirsting to discuss whatever it is that intellectuals discuss. There are those who'll praise small-town values, thinking that they've found the Mexican version of a Norman Rockwell scene in places like Patzcuaro.


Don Moore


Nov 11, 2008, 12:52 PM

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I don't live in Mexico, but after having looked around at a lot of places there and having met and talked quite a few retirees, I know that cost of living is a significant factor for some. There are quite a few folks who live in cheaper locales or places close to the border (because they can not afford a long drive or flight back to the states on a frequent basis). You will not here from some of these folks on this forum because they do not have internet or maybe have no computer.
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Anonimo


Nov 11, 2008, 1:30 PM

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We chose to live near Pátzcuaro, although we have never lived in town.
Eventually we settled out in a rural area some 12 kilometers or so from Centro.

Reasons: generally, we like the climate of this part of Mexico. (April and May are less agradable.)
Specifically, we live where we do because of affordability. Yes, and relative tranquility, and we hope, safety.
All generalities are suspect, including this one.

Saludos,
Anonimo


roni_smith


Nov 11, 2008, 2:30 PM

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Thank you Jennifer. I have a good idea every once in a while.

I do not live in Mexico yet either. We have visited San Miguel, Ajijic/Chapala, Guanajuato, and several locations on the Yucatan Peninsula. Frankly, we enjoyed all of them. Kathy liked Guanajuato a lot, and also Merida. We have enjoyed vacationing on Isla de Mujeres, Playa del Carmen and Tulum, but that is what they are for us - vacation places, and do not hold an attraction as places to live.

Merida is, possibly, another story. We spent a few days there in 2006 and we are headed back down in a few weeks. We'll have 5 nights on Isla de Mujeres, a week in Merida, and we'll end up with another 4 nights on the Caribbean side of the Peninsula.

In Merida we are going to be visiting with some ex-pats we know, we'll be meeting some we have communicated with but have not yet met, and we've engaged an ex-pat who does some real estate business and has lived there for years to show us some of the non-centro areas of the city. If we are impressed with this week, we'll plan a trip back during the heat again - and we have been to the Peninsula in May before.

Merida has an English library and an ex-pat community that is not near as big as San Miguel's or Lake Chapala's - and in a city of nearly 1 million it would be tough for it to be as big a presence as in those two places. It has a Symphony, theater, dance, a lot of free public performances, the Gulf Coast 45 minutes away and the Caribbean a few hours away.

Well, wherever we start out may end up being a base from which to do some more exploring. Mexico is a large country and there seem to be many lovely places in it. I think we will like the opportunity to socialize with ex-pats regularly without the majority of our daily interactions being with Americans or Canadians. The climate in Guadalajara seems very pleasant when compared to the hot season in the Yucatan Peninsula. We need to get back there and spend some time there and in Jocotepec.

Those are some of my thoughts. I get along pretty well with the language, especially when people accept and/or gently correct my Brazilian Portugues accent :). Kathy is starting to study Spanish, and we are both convinced that her happiness will be somewhat closely related to her ability to communicate with people.

I sense I am rambling now :), so I will stop for abit.

I have written on mexconnect before that I believe I can be happy in lots of places - I have been throughout my life. We'll see what happens

That doesn't really answer the original post, but I reckon comfort with various levels of ex-pat population density may be an important factor, and one that may vary with more experience in Mexico.
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TlxcalaClaudia

Nov 11, 2008, 3:58 PM

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Jennifer wrote: For the most part, those foreigners living in areas not heavily populated by other foreigners disdain clubs and organizations.

Claudine responds: EWwwwwww! Sounds eerily true. Besides, it is just as fun to attend conferences, symphonies, live theater, professional development courses and even work related meetings in another language (IMHO).

C.



mskitty


Nov 11, 2008, 4:00 PM

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I'm still looking right now, too, but I do have strong ideas about what I want in a Mexican location. WARMTH! is my first criteria -- I don't mind hot, humid summers [I'm a Georgia native], but I've spent 12 years being cold too damn much of the time here in Oregon. Mostly for that reason, Ajijic didn't work for me -- I was there in June and really uncomfortably cold. I had not brought clothing for cold weather -- my bad.

I also want to be able to walk the beaches, be near the water, perhaps have a kayak and/or small sailboat. Bucerias was great, even in June, but perhaps a bit too small for me. I have some places just south of Vallarta to check out, and also the San Quintin area, thanks to BajaGringo. I like the idea of having that lovely southern California climate -- warm days, cooler nights, breeze, lower humidity -- and the proximity to the US that is close, but not too close. The downside here is the desert -- am I willing to trade the lush greenery of places like Vallarta for that SoCal climate? I'm not sure. I really love the flowers and greenery.

Affordability is also important. I don't have a lot of money, but am convinced that with my simple lifestyle I can live quite comfortably, with a little effort in finding rental bargains.

I also wanted to be away from the hurricane zones, as best I can, which lets out the Caribbean coast, for me. I have a friend here in Oregon with a home on the river in Mulege, which has been flooded out by hurricanes two years in a row. He just got back from taking care of the latest deluge.

I don't have a need for a large gringo population -- I'm not into clubs or games or golf, etc, tend to be fairly insular. I don't necessarily want to be the only gringo in town, but a few English-speaking friends would probably be enough.

Not sure when my next scouting visit will happen -- I don't have much more vacation time left, and am burning those this week because I have bronchitis and am freezing to death!

This is an interesting thread -- will be curious to see what commonalities show up.


roni_smith


Nov 11, 2008, 4:49 PM

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We live in Oregon also.

We moved here in September, 2000. When we went to the Yucatan Peninsula in 2003, Kathy said it was the first time she had felt warm since we moved to Oregon ;).

The areas up the hill from the Veracruz coast - Xalapa/Coatepec looks worth exploring to me. There are the occasional hurricanes, but it is not right on the coast.
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mskitty


Nov 11, 2008, 5:35 PM

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The more I think I've got attractive areas pin-pointed, the more I realize just how many possibilities exist and how few of them I've seen. What I think I should do is just travel light and spend a few months down there -- but that will have to wait until spring/summer. Not sure I'm bold enough to travel alone that way, either. Guess I'm getting old -- wouldn't have hesitated 20 years ago. :)

I'm with Kathy, too -- that warmth in Bucerias last June felt mighty, mighty good. My heat is on, it's about 65 in here, I'm wrapped in sweats and covered with a wool throw -- still don't feel warm. But -- I will admit that may have to do with my fever more than anything.


JohnnyBoy

Nov 11, 2008, 6:03 PM

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Rolly has described me and my situation almost to a "t." I followed my domestic partner here to Sonora because he could not stay legally in the USA.

My partner will not live any place in Mexico but here, however, this place would never make my short list of places to live in Mexico if I had a choice.

Even before I met my partner I was planning to retire in Mexico and was interested in Ixtapa/Zihautaneo but only because I had heard about it in a movie. I hate heat and humidity and wanted to be close to the border so I could get back to the USA easily in an emergency.

Hermosillo, this past summer, was the hottest and most humid place I have ever spent a summer in my life, including coastal Italy and Kansas. I am convinced the "H" of Hermosillo, while not pronounced, stands for "Hotter than the Hinges of Hell." And summer here, at least summertime tempertures of 90'F+, last here from mid-March until early November. Leaving precious little time for spring, fall, and winter...which, for all intents and purposes, don't occur here.

But here I am and here I will stay.


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morgaine7


Nov 11, 2008, 10:14 PM

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It's hard to generalize about the kind of expats who retire in La Paz. Many are into fishing, sailing, and other water activities. Quite a few are snowbirds because summers are pretty hot. Although the foreign population is growing (I think it's a few thousand), its impact is limited because this is a city whose downtown neighborhoods are already well established. Developments populated mainly by foreigners are outside of town. Most expats I meet speak or are at least learning Spanish. English isn't widely spoken outside tourism and real estate zones. Especially in summer, it's possible to pass days on end without running into another foreigner.

I moved here because of the ocean, desert scenery and sunny skies, the friendliness of the people, and the laid-back atmosphere. Other considerations were availability of services, including medical, and affordable housing (though that is changing). While there is more US influence than I'd prefer, La Paz is far enough from the border for it not to be overwhelming. I'm very happy here, but it's not for everybody.

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sioux4noff

Nov 12, 2008, 7:17 AM

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I'm very happy here, but it's not for everybody.


That is something you hear over and over from expats. We are lucky that no one place is for everyone. Then it would be too crowded!

We like living in Bucerias, Nayarit. I can't really think of any main unifying characteristic of the expats here. That is nice, because we have friends of many different backgrounds who have many different interests.
Personally, I like living so close to the beach, and close to yet far enough out of Puerto Vallarta.


IslaZina


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I stay on Isla Mujeres, which has gotten increasingly Americanized since I bought five years ago. If I had wanted to drink with gringos, I could have remained seated in Ohio. That said, Puerto Morelos, also in Quitana Roo, on the southern edge of Cancun, still has that fishing village feel to it. But I fear it will be another Gringolandia in a few years.
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Oscar2

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Yes, this is an interesting thread, which pulls on thoughts and feelings of why one feels they should belong somewhere south of the border even though the perfect place sometimes eludes us, something fetching and within keeps us.

Most of my life has been everything, which goes with big city life. Although I’ve pined for and have enjoyed distant, solitary surroundings with captivating scenery and more, I for some reason or another still gravitate toward a little periodic quid pro quo with people. For yours truly, comfort is the essence of life, with an attraction I’ve always worked eagerly to have and maintain a certain lifestyle which feeds into this.

Instinctively, perhaps like many of you, I seek out a little sanctuary, a repose, close to attractive walking areas, easy and good shopping conveniences and yes, someplace not to far from entertainment. The wife and I are both dancers, and enjoy having a cocktail now and then while carving our sport on the dance floor. The cardio bit sustains our interests and more often than not, we meet people and have fun with them.

Living on the beach is wonderful, but deep down south the heat and humidity, for some, precludes year around residency. So, what to do? The beach and highlands is a very nice combination. If one can set up being in these two locations for the right seasons year around, yes, this combo brings one closer to Gods southern California coastal climate, less the expensive SoCal prices for those on tight retirement budgets, amongst other things.

Guad Central for me, is too heavily populated and a bit smothering. Not to far from there, a small town which feels like a quiet, distant suburb but its not, is Chapalita. It breaths a pleasant living atmosphere, climate, restaurants and shopping conveniences, is there for the asking. The home we rented with sumptuous landscaping and broad green front yards for the price wasn’t to hard to take either.

Manzanillo and coastal towns north and south of it are not to far from Chapalita and if a seasonal get away is needed, it’s always available. However, like some of us seemingly interlopers, I still have to live in Morelia and get its feel before I make the jump into that little piece of heaven most of us dream about….

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roni_smith


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I have read good things about Chapalita, and it is on the list
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esperanza

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Colonia Chapalita is lovely...but remember that it is a neighborhood of Guadalajara, not another town or city.

As many others have said, it's one thing to spend a couple of weeks or longer in a place and it's another thing altogether to live there. Although Col. Chapalita is outside the center of Guadalajara, it still has the same traffic problems, the same incredibly bad air pollution, and all of the other good and bad attributes of this city of over 6,000,000 inhabitants.




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roni_smith


Nov 13, 2008, 9:47 AM

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Yes, Esperanza, you are exactly right. I appreciate you posting that.

I posted what I did based on reading a handful of stories by ex-pats who have lived in Chapalita.

thanks

I have a question for you, since you have lived at Lake Chapala, in Guadalajara and now (I think) in Morelia.

In your experience, do those places tend to attract different types of retired ex-pats, or perhaps ex-pats at different points of their experience regarding life in Mexico?
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Oscar2

Nov 13, 2008, 11:10 AM

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My dear Esperanza, you never cease to amaze me. Why, well, for one, you have lived in Mexico for a quarter of a century and you’ve told of the many enjoyable but yet questionable years you’ve lived in, and of all places, Tijuana. And again, for the many years you lived and “lauded” Guad regardless of smog, traffic or whatever, it has always remained interesting to readers. I’ve enjoyed listening to you “laud” both of these cities as not only a resident but as a supporter of its populace as a social worker in its prisons.

Indeed, if anyone is more than qualified to extol or to look askance at your world, you certainly have earned that privilege. The nukes and crannies found in Guad, have been harvested by you with great interest. The fervor of your passed and present mussing based on, and I for one appreciate, whatever it was that allowed me and many to benefit from this is not only recognized but also in many ways respected.

I believe the extraordinary thing about all of this, is in our own way, our gut, heart and that between our ears creates the filters by which our eyes see and accept our own little world. The variances we heard on this thread are the same or at best minuscule but one thing for sure, they carry the meaning we need and want in making choices in a package filled with constant change.

At one time in listening to your musings, I never would have thought you would leave your beloved Guad, because you knew it and caressed it like the back of your hand. Then as time passed, the lauding of Guad faded into silence and I sensed this but didn’t know why. Ah-ha, surprise, surprise, you little sneak, you turned up living in Morelia.

The wheels of wondering about you started to turn and I thought, my God, what is this woman up to now. Well, be it as it may, Morelia was in for a treat of not only a well traveled woman within the entrails of Mexico but a marvelous cook who’s website never ceases to tantalize the palette. I must admit, although we both know the traffic, smog and much more in a massive city like Guad can put a strangle hold on ones existence there, something, maybe it’s a kind of madness we all experience from time to time, but you, I and for some reason, something inside modifies ones perspective. What was it for you that kept you for so many years?

Now, Morelia, has been placed on my table to savor the dishes which are unique to its environs and can perhaps sway ones appetite to stay for awhile and perhaps live there for a long, long time. Aside from your new found mate, I listened to your new lauding of Morelia, with great interest. That between my ears now searches to hear perhaps secret praises of life in Morelia that would snag emotional curiosity.

Then/now tragedy befell your new adopted city in ways which like the traffic and smog of Guad, this was even worse. I listened to your frightened voice bemoaning this tragedy along with all others and I too was certainly taken back and to say I was more than sad remains an understatement.

I don’t know how long the mourning will last, perhaps for years, but today is another day, and like all other days, change will certainly be on our side for the best. They say, “pain only makes you stronger.” Lets reflect on this and see what develops in our gut, hearts and that nebulous thing that goes on between our ears which chooses the filters by which we keep seeing our lives, sometimes anew…..

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esperanza

Nov 13, 2008, 12:24 PM

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In your experience, do those places tend to attract different types of retired ex-pats, or perhaps ex-pats at different points of their experience regarding life in Mexico?

Roni, I am thinking about this and will answer you later today.




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roni_smith


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Islazina,

How long have you stayed on Isla. We really enjoy the island, and will be there in a month for 5 nights.

We particularly like it after the day trippers and departed for the night :)
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