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Blackjack Davie

Jul 20, 2004, 5:14 PM

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Hello everybody. I think I have a problem. I have not been in Mexico for about two years, my novice spanish is slipping, but everyday I find myself on this site dreaming of my return. I have been to Guanajuato twice and think about my experience daily. It is a great place and I imagine myself living there but I haven't the faintest how that might come about. I'm getting off topic....I do think it is a little strange that I do this everyday but there has to be a reason. I mean, a reason beyond the fact that I love Mexico. Well, I am really just waxing nostalgic and wanted to share. Besides, the Basura en Espanol was getting a little heavy and I thought I might bring a little levity to the fore. David



Lavanda

Jul 20, 2004, 8:17 PM

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Hola davidcito,

I know exactly how ya feel!

I LONG for Mexico, and Gto, Gto is where we will eventually live. But soetimes I wonder if it will happen in my lifetime.

Not trying to be negative, just honest.

As I have said in a previous post or more, the way I beat the lonely for mi Mexico blues is to listen to msuic from there, and read, and watch the Mexican channels, which fortunately in this are are becoming more in number.

I also hang (in real life and online) with those who share my feelings, it is so nice when there are others with whom to commiserate and who understand your plight.


!! Viva Mexico, warts and all !!!




sandykayak


Jul 21, 2004, 10:44 AM

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Yup, this obsession has apparently reached epidemic proportions.

I am currently reading (and thoroughly enjoying) Retirement Tales - Two Gringos Living in Mexico by Charlie Montemayor. He and his wife live in Guanajuato and the book consists of excerpts from newsletters they sent to friends/family.

You could probably do a google as i know they have a website but it has a new URL. Perhaps someone could post it here?

I live in Miami and Big Lots has quite a few old Mexican movies and Bandas music on VHS...for $2-3. I enjoyed a color Antonio Aguilar movie for three bucks.

Also, Sam's Club has a bunch of Mexican DVD two-packs for $9.95. Some are children's movies and they also had some Cantinflas (remember Passpartout (sp?) in Around the World in 80 Days?) ones. Mario Moreno was a famous and loved comedian.
Sandy Kramer
Miami, Fla & El Parque


TomG

Jul 21, 2004, 6:20 PM

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Airfares are cheap in October/November and January/Febuary, David. Southwest goes to Harlingen, TX on specials in the fall (about $200 RT). $20 will get you from the airport to the Central de Autobus in either Matamoros or Reynosa - then you are off. An 8 PM bus will get you to Irapuato about 7 AM. Or you could fly to el DF and bus back from del Norte station. You feel a lot smarter getting away in January than other months.

Home is home (GTO), but you could try some adventure. Knowing you, I know that you would like Patzcuaro, Michoacan (cooler); San Cristobal de las Casa, Chiapas (cooler); and Oaxaca (warmer). Both have classes you could latch into to get established. But you can greatly lower you cost by skipping the classes and taking a grammar book down on your own. Then get out and talk as much as you can everyday. Renting a little place with cooking facilities will give you a much better feel for daily life. With the extra saved money you can stay longer. I'm confident you could have a decent stay in any one of these places for about $600/month excluding transportation. People on these boards get mad as hell when someone talks about living cheaply in Mexico; but you could do it, David. A frugal couple could do it for $800/month in a bit more style. The real trick to Mexico is not to want anything beyond your needs, stay our of restaurants & bars, and use the city buses when you can't walk.

You ought to go a place there for 2 months or more, renting and cooking, living daily life away from tourism and professional expats. That will give you the kind of information you need to continue your thinking. It answers questions like, "What would I do?" and "What could it really cost?" "Would I like it?" "What would the regular people treat me like if they were not plucking me for fees?" Go to the dentist and get your teeth cleaned - you save a few bucks that can be applied to your trip, and you can compare. Do you like the level of dental service? After 2+ months when you go home you will have plenty to digest and remember. You can compare to home life much better. It would not be sufficient for a life's move, but it would give you more memories and info to live with.

Mexico for all it wacky costumes and exotic landscape is enchanting and dangerous, especially for Mexicans. I know poor people who throw a $1500 dollar 15th birthday party, then don't let the girl go to high school (Prepa) because it costs too much. (Three years of Prepa would be less than the party). I know other equally poor people who paid that much for a band for a wedding - then add on more for the meal, clothes, etc.
In contrast, here is a list of costs for a university education at the Univ. Guad., Colotlan that a cute student gave me 2 days ago (all expressed in US dollars).
$ 17 - tuition per semester
$600 - Semester costs at $6 dailyto eat in Colotlan (there are women who cook meals for students)
$ 60 - a semester of daily bus fare from town to the nice modern campus.
$400 - a semester for a student room rent in town at $80/mo.
____________
$1077 dollars a semester for an student from out of town.

Someone living at home in Colotlan could scratch all but the $77 for tuition and bus fare, as these two girls do. Their father said he had no 15th birthday party for either of his daughters - but both will graduate from university.

When you meet people and have good friends who are shooting themselves in the foot with fiestas, it might start to grate on you if you want the best for them. Other people who just use this class of people for servants are not bothered by this, as it insures a steady supply. The world of fiestas is one of the big cultural attractions of Mexico for tourists and expats. If the poor didn't pay for the fireworks, they took off work to set up the stands and do the cooking for the church fiesta. The better off of the barrio don't pitch in as much, as they have too many other obligations with their own interests. They show up at night like the tourists, throwing compliments around like candy, and babbling about the importance of maintaining the customs. If you think about this too much you will find yourself hanging around with an interesting class of people who discuss culture and politics.

You will certainly have enough to be involved in once you make some good friends.

Drop me a line;
tom


(This post was edited by TomG on Jul 21, 2004, 6:21 PM)


Judy in Ags


Jul 21, 2004, 8:22 PM

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We, too, are constantly amazed by the number of fiestas. There seems to be a least one every weekend in our neighborhood. The amount of money spent on such is also flabbergasting. Our friend who is a photographer finally moved into a studio worthy of a grand opening, after having been in the business for many years. The ability to finally rent a nice studio is due partly to the fact that he is now in a relationship with a woman who has a job and brings home a decent salary. Anyway, the grand opening was grand--complete with bar, snacks, a couple of sexy-looking greeters. When we thought it was time to go home after little speeches by other photographers, his father, etc., etc., the program began. We left part way through the first performer (singer/comedian). We learned later he was followed by another musical group. Even his brother-in-law was asking, "How does he afford all that when he owes everyone, including me money?!" He also owed us for a camera ($2500) and when we saw the party we about dispared of ever get paid for the camera. Actually, just two weeks ago we got our money!!!

Now, the thing is, we know it's not only Mexicans who have strange priorities. We sold a house in Kansas to a couple who was always (and still are) late on their house payments, even with penalties, but always had money at holidays for Christmas decorations, Halloween stuff and plenty of fireworks on the Fouth of July.


TomG

Jul 21, 2004, 8:53 PM

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We, too, are constantly amazed by the number of fiestas. ..... Anyway, the grand opening was grand--complete with bar, snacks, a couple of sexy-looking greeters. When we thought it was time to go home after little speeches by other photographers, his father, etc., etc., the program began. We left part way through the first performer (singer/comedian). We learned later he was followed by another musical group. Even his brother-in-law was asking, "How does he afford all that when he owes everyone, including me money?!" He also owed us for a camera ($2500) and when we saw the party we about dispared of ever get paid for the camera. Actually, just two weeks ago we got our money!!!


Well, Judy, that takes the cake!

I thought that hiring 2 professional clown, setting up 6-foot speakers, and renting a special party-giving property was a lot of to-do for a 2-year-old's birthday I attended when all the main players were unemployed. Considering all the people who had to loan money to the invitados to buy presents the ripple effect moves out beyond sight.

Knowing people who have a job seems to really supercharge the scale of things.


(This post was edited by TomG on Jul 21, 2004, 9:00 PM)


alex .

Jul 22, 2004, 7:30 AM

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The grand to-do for a one or 2 year old is all about the adults. We consistently short-circuit that operation by advertising in advance that there will be no alcohol at the party; that the party is for the kids. You'd be amazed at how many of the fathers suddenly have prior commitments, though the moms n kids show up in droves. Works out great: no stitches, no jail time at the wee hours.
Alex


gpk

Jul 22, 2004, 8:09 AM

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There is no "tomorrow" for many Mexicans, so they never miss a chance to enjoy "today". It used to bother me, but I'm beginning to understand this point of view.


TomG

Jul 22, 2004, 9:01 AM

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The grand to-do for a one or 2 year old is all about the adults.


You are right there, Alex.

There are some things that puzzle me: Why do the adults pay so much carefully attention to the clown's? I mean, the first party is one thing; then the 2nd to the umpteenth parties the clowns are still saying the same things and stretching out their skits until you want to shoot yourself to escape.

I generally approve of the genre of goofy humor done well. Figure like Red Skelton, Carol Burnett, and Art Carney are great; we seem to be loosing the genre in the USA. In Mexcio the genre is more alive. But party clowns....they are as bad as watching TV in a crowded sala.

I'm guessing, but maybe childhood (as compared to adulthood) is in Mexico is such a great experience that every adult gets a bang out of sharing it's feeling for a few hours just one more time. But then if the big boys don't show up without free alcohol, maybe this theory doesn't hold water (or Coca Cola). I'd be afraid to ask, but maybe the other adults at the birthday parties are all just being patiently nice, thinking they are the only ones who are bored and faking enjoyment. The mom's could probably go on indefinitely merely enjoying the fact that their kid is enjoying anything, bless their hearts.


alex .

Jul 22, 2004, 9:16 AM

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One would hope that the infants have as much fun in their infancy as the adults have in their adultery.
8<)
Alex


TomG

Jul 22, 2004, 9:27 AM

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There is no "tomorrow" for many Mexicans, so they never miss a chance to enjoy "today". It used to bother me, but I'm beginning to understand this point of view.


The trouble here is that when tomorrow comes, and it does, they genuinely wish it wasn't here. The root problem may actually be linkage.

This "manana" quality is more attractive when they don't call you on the inevitable arrival of “today” for help. It is a lot simpler to help someone 2 weeks earlier with a piece of advice than it is to deal with the drunken driving charge, 3 wrecked cars and no insurance, “How am I going to get to work when I can’t drive?”, and “Who is going to pay for all this?”

I think the philosophic attraction of poverty is greater from a distance, and when someone else pays the price.


TomG

Jul 22, 2004, 9:29 AM

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One would hope that the infants have as much fun in their infancy as the adults have in their adultery.
8<)
Alex

They seem to.......I think?
 
 
 
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