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buscardero

Jan 6, 2011, 9:24 AM

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For you not to have heard about the violence racking Mexico, you would need to be a blind and deaf Mongolian yak herder. From local papers to international news, the general conception is that Mexico is a very dangerous place. Full color pictures of men and boys with ventilated craniums, thumbs wired behind their backs, are plastered across the pages of all the local rags. Journalists north of the border talk about body counts approaching that of a central African nation after an election. So, what’s this all about? What’s going on? Do we all need to run out and get Kevlar vests and armored vehicles?
When analyzing the situation, one needs to go past the bloody pictures and read between the lines of narrow-minded rhetoric, to properly assess their level of personal safety. People need to realize the excessive carnage in Mexico is due, almost exclusively, to bad guys whacking bad guys. When I wrap what’s left of my mind around this concept, I ultimately thinks I’m OK with it; let them kill each other. I know that a few people die that are not targeted, but for the most part, the narcos are fairly selective with their exterminations. Very unlike Detroit or South Central where any old home boy can get popped. In other words, the violence in Mexico is not random, but very focused violence.
Unlike the bestial cretins that roam the streets NOB, the typical narco is simply a benighted businessman with psychopathic tendencies. He is not looking to rob, murder or mutilate gringos; it is not in his business plan. The only people that that feel the heat of his murderous rage are those poor fools that have pissed him off. Even when local criminals stoop to carjacking, they do not shoot drivers and passengers; that would be senseless. When a bullet riddled body is found, it is highly probable that the dearly departed really screwed up, big time, with the wrong people. He wasn’t an innocent teenager shot in order to acquire his high top tennis shoes or because he was in the wrong neighborhood.
The unfortunate consequence of this ill-conceived war on drugs has been to violently stir a seething cauldron of greed and corruption. It has taken what once was relatively organized crime and cast it into the complete chaos of disorganized crime. When you have an activity that generates 35 to 50 billion dollars per year, there is no hope to control it and stopping it is pure fantasy. The only way to make it go away is to eliminate its lucrative nature; take the money out. The legalization of drugs would most likely end the drug wars, but it would also unleash a horde of unemployed criminals upon the general public. The displaced narcos would have an extremely limited set of skills, most of which fail to contribute to modern society. So, until that happens, the criminal element, or at least most of it, is content to prey upon each other and not the occasional stray gringo. I don’t mean to down play the increased violence, but until I see taxis with bullet holes and dead Canadians in the streets, I will continue to believe that living in Mexico is a survivable experience.



Bethie

Jan 6, 2011, 9:32 AM

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The only people that that feel the heat of his murderous rage are those poor fools that have pissed him off.

i don't agree. what about the poor shop owners who refuse to pay a weekly extorition/protection fee and are kidnapped and found dead.


Rolly


Jan 6, 2011, 9:39 AM

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Bethie is right. There is a lot more to this mess than bad guys killing each other.

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buscardero

Jan 6, 2011, 9:52 AM

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The kidnappings, extortion and general mayhem has increased as a direct result of the drug wars. Like I said, we are in a period of disorganised crime whereas several years ago, the vast majority of the crime was drug related. With the cartels in disaray and the Zetas moving in, the business at hand is no longer just drugs. The Zetas are a very vicious group that terrorizes the population and engages in all levels of criminal activity. Before the cartels were attacked across the country, they were strong enough the keep the Zetas at bay. Now, there are a number of minor gangs that are cropping up in the vacuum left by the drug wars.

Last year there was a major spate of car thefts in Sinaloa. Shortly there after, bodies started appearing with toy cars on them.
The cartel did not like having car thieves in it's midst and they dealt with the problem. The recovery of stolen property or the apprehension of criminals is practly non existant in this country, so who better to deal with criminals that other criminals. The problem is that now it is out of hand, the delicate balance that kept relative peace is out of kilter.


rvcycleguy

Jan 6, 2011, 10:22 AM

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I also disagree with only the bad guys are being targeted. What about the consulate office representitive in Juarez? And the husband in a second car? I understand that was a retaliation for the Consul office issuing a Visa to someone that the rival gang was looking for. And then they said the second car was mistaken identity? Innocent people themselves that were murdered.


Casa

Jan 6, 2011, 11:20 AM

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The only people that that feel the heat of his murderous rage are those poor fools that have pissed him off.

I too disagree. (In my opinion its much more complicated that what you have written.) I also think that the, majority, if not all, of the Central American immigrants that are kidnapped and or killed would also disagree….. I am not really sure what they did to piss off the narcos…..

How long until they narcos realize that if they kidnap a few rich gringos they will have a bigger payday than if they kidnap a couple dozen poor Central Americans.

Probably will not happen tomorrow but could very easily escalate to that….

Also if what you are stating is true then all the honest hardworking people would stay in CD Juarez and would have nothing to worry about since the narcos only want to wack the bad guys.. (maybe there are large numbers of people moving out of CD Juarez just because of all the bad press)

The Mexican government has suggested travelling in “caravans” when driving to Mexico from the US. The Mexican government was also claiming during xmas they would also provide escorts. Now would this be happening if its only bad guy on bad guy action?


(This post was edited by Casa on Jan 6, 2011, 11:41 AM)


Rolly


Jan 6, 2011, 11:28 AM

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I have Mexican friends who live in Juárez.
They live in fear, but they stay because they have jobs and mouths to feed.
They never go out at night. They leave the house only for work and the market.

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Reefhound


Jan 6, 2011, 11:38 AM

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You contradict yourself. You first say the bad guys are only attacking other bad guys. Then later you say the zetas "terrorizes the population". Whether Mexico was safe and peaceful 5 or 10 years ago is irrelevant. What is relevant is whether or not it is safe NOW.

And don't palm it off as irrational fears by U.S. people based on media sensationalism. It is MEXICANS that are most in fear, that are afraid to go out at night, that are abandoning homes and businesses to escape the violence, that are having their lives upended. These Mexicans are reacting based on what they see happening firsthand all around them, not from watching CBS or Fox News.


Reefhound


Jan 6, 2011, 11:42 AM

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How long until they narcos realize that if they kidnap a few rich gringos they will have a bigger payday than if they kidnap a couple dozen poor Central Americans.

I have a hard time believing that none of the umpteen thousand narcos ever thought of that so there must be some reason why they are avoiding that.


Vichil

Jan 6, 2011, 12:49 PM

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The Central Americans immigrants are easy targets: there are lots of them, they are cut off from their country and have money on their person to be able to cross Mexico and pay the coyotes when they arrive north.
A few month ago a whole lot of Central American women were found in the red light district of Comitan, Chiapas working as sexslaves. They were beaten, raped, robbed and put to work, a whole lot more profits in them than in some "rich gringo" that will cause nothing but headaches for the kidnappers.
The gangs in the south are making a huge amount of money demanding ransoms for from the various central American groups who cross the country. The poor family pool their money together to help their friends and families and very little is ever reported and you never hear of anyone being caught.
The Zetas and Salvatruchas ,or whatever their names are , are always blamed in general but you do not see too many of them being arrested.
There is a lot of innocent people who have family members doing what they should not be doing who get killed. They are part of "sending a message" to the bad guys or some revenge...
A whole lot more people are being killed than just the "bad guys".

No one seem to know what ever really happens, who was killed and for what reason.

Remember the tourists from Michoacan who were massacred? Has anyone ever found out if they were bad guys or cases of mistaken identity or part of a message? Lots of theories but what really happened or why, seems to be irrelevant to everyone except to the poor families who have to suffer.
How can we discuss if only the bad guys are being killed when we know nothing.


Casa

Jan 6, 2011, 1:17 PM

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I think there are a bunch of reasons that for the time being Americans and Canadians are not being targeted. One of the largest in my opinion if the fear greater US involvement. Remember all the press from the lake incident in Texas a while back?

Central Americans are less likely to report crimes than Americans or Canadians. For the most part the ransom call goes out to Central American relatives living in the US, a very large percentage of who are undocumented and there for do not want to draw attention to themselves. In addition, culturally with Central Americans there is more of a propensity to mistrust officials making the reporting of crimes even lower.

The Central Americans that are being kidnapped are very humble with little resources and education, they don’t know their rights and are in no position to demand that they be respected. (This is why the relatives in the US are contacted; if the victims had money they would not be making such a dangerous trip in the first place) Therefore their family will not be hiring private investigators, going to Mexico, speaking with the press, and such to search for their loved ones and demand justice. There is also no shortage of undocumented Central Americans in Mexico, especially on the southern border area that is much less fortified. So another reason may be that it is easier. (Think about it, its probably easier to control a group of poor Central Americans than some geezer gringos that don’t even speak Spanish.)

Lastly if Americans are the largest consumers of illicit drugs you don’t want to hurt your customer, it’s bad for business!


I do not foresee a bunch of black suburbans pulling up in front of the LCS (like an Acapulco airport) any time soon but this all could change……


arbon

Jan 6, 2011, 1:30 PM

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'Journalists north of the border talk about body counts approaching that of a central African nation after an election. So, what’s this all about?"

The trouble in Mexico did start after an election, an election where there was no clear winner.

And a minority in a system that has no way of working, in a coalition government.

(in some peoples minds the PRI was a coalition government... of sorts)
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rvcycleguy

Jan 7, 2011, 7:58 AM

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I honestly believe that the drug gangs do not want to target innocent Americans. I think they do not want that fight, the fight back from the US govt, if Americans became targets of random crimes.


chinagringo


Jan 7, 2011, 8:18 AM

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So can we now assume that Americans now have an "invisible force field" that protects them from being injured or killed? If anyone thinks that the number of Americans, Canadians or Europeans already affected is being accurately documented, then I have a number of bridges for sale. Just to take one city as an example, the number of Americans either injured, killed or simply "disappeared" in Juarez exceeds the commonly accepted totals for the entire country. Since many Americans who have met such circumstances in Juarez often have Hispanic names, the easiest minimization is to initially declare that: "their citizenship has not been determined". Once that statement has been made, it seems that they never announce that a determination has been made and that they were indeed Americans. If your last name is Smith or White, you will count but if it is Chavez or Vasquez, then counting you is questionable.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



arbon

Jan 7, 2011, 8:22 AM

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"I honestly believe that the drug gangs do not want to target innocent Americans. I think they do not want that fight, the fight back from the US govt, if Americans became targets of random crimes."

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It is probably true that drug gangs do not want to kill their customers,....¿but how would they know who the users are?

When every one claims to be innocent, you will need a lab' report, to prove that you are a customer.
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Bennie García

Jan 7, 2011, 8:33 AM

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It is probably true that drug gangs do not want to kill their customers,....¿but how would they know who the users are?

When every one claims to be innocent, you will need a lab' report, to prove that you are a customer.


They could care less who is using. They don't want the heat that killing Americans would bring. The cartels are ruthless slime balls but they are also very shrewd.


arbon

Jan 7, 2011, 8:54 AM

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"They could care less who is using. They don't want the heat that killing Americans would bring. The cartels are ruthless slime balls but they are also very shrewd."

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That would explain the removal of the maple leaf from back packs and the sewing on of the stars & stripes, Eh.
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Bennie García

Jan 7, 2011, 9:01 AM

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"They could care less who is using. They don't want the heat that killing Americans would bring. The cartels are ruthless slime balls but they are also very shrewd."

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That would explain the removal of the maple leaf from back packs and the sewing on of the stars & stripes, Eh.


Why did wendy marry such a dork?


Scott

Jan 8, 2011, 8:56 PM

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Perhaps they need to ditch the Tilly hats as well.
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.
- James Freeman Clarke


arbon

Jan 9, 2011, 9:13 AM

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"Perhaps they need to ditch the Tilly hats as well."

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Do you see the "Pith Helmets" returning sooner than later.
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