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talosian


Jul 27, 2004, 1:31 PM

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What tipped the scales for you?

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I'm curious and would like to find out from those here two things.

1. What was the primary (most important) factor in you deciding to move to Mexico and;

2. Same thing for the Lakeside area.

Remember, I'm talking the factor which made the difference. Just curious.

Thanks.

Spock.
"When all logical explanations have failed, we must look to the illogical for the answer.



alex .

Jul 27, 2004, 1:40 PM

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Re: [talosian] immigration law

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At the time, before the new "K" visa, a spouse and minor children were not permitted to cross into the US until all the paper work was done. It was my responsibility as husband and father to be home at night, so there I was.
Alex


esperanza

Jul 27, 2004, 3:33 PM

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I first lived in Mexico in the early 1980s. I fell in love with my friends, the geography/topography, the language, and the excitement of learning as much as I could about a place that was home--but was not where I came from.

I spent every minute of all of the time I was away from Mexico longing to be here. There were many sleepless nights spent figuring out how I could get here to stay. Every spare moment that I could be here, I was here. I was lucky that my work often brought me to Mexico.

"Here" for me is the place where my soul relaxes and my heart breathes easy. "Here" for me is home. There was never a scale to be tipped. This is where I belong.




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king1522

Jul 27, 2004, 7:06 PM

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Re: [esperanza] What tipped the scales for you?

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That's a tough one talosian. The decision to move to Mexico was made up of many factors. The friendly people, the geography, available medical facilities, cost of living, climate just to name a few. Actually that only scratches the surface. If I were to name one factor, I would say it would be the "adventure of it all". I don't think I will ever be too old to love adventure. As far as selecting the Lakeside area, climate was the main reason. Of course, I won't be there until mid August, so all this may just go up in smoke. But hey, that's the chance I am willing to take! I have a very good feeling that I won't be far wrong!
Don



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Judy in Ags


Jul 27, 2004, 7:07 PM

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Re: [talosian] What tipped the scales for you?

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1. Climate

2. Cost of living (couldn't afford to buy a house in the U.S. where the climate is decent)

3. Culture (people, a culture that isn't trying to put eveyone into the same mold)

We don't live in the lake area.


Georgia


Jul 28, 2004, 12:58 PM

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Re: [talosian] What tipped the scales for you?

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Weather
Courtesy
About an hour from a big city, airport and good medical facilities

Now, those are the surface reasons.

Actually, I've been coming to Mexico and spending lots of time here since the 1950s when my Dad had business here - well, in Mexico City. Went back to the DF in 1968 - couldn't breathe, crime up, courtesy factor down. Etc Visited other parts of Mexico. I remembered Guadalajara as a small colonial city with great fondness. Came back here three years ago, nearly fainted when I realized that Tlaquepaque had merged with Guadalajara, but still found it wonderful.

But why leave where I lived? Well, for starters, I can paint my house any damn color I want to and it's nobody's business. Local people can have one or two businesses and run them from their homes without appeals to the ZBA. If I want to change my front wall, I don't have to get a "certificate of appropriateness" from some local do-gooder council. People take time with you from the local shopkeeper to your doctor. And it is beautiful here besides. There is just enough anarchy to reassure me that people are not all squeezed into the same mold. I don't really like "perfect" places that are sterile and devoid of culture and custom. It's not for everyone. If you expect the wheels of progress to be well oiled and running smoothly, this is not the place. But it is the imperfections that give Mexico its character and humanity.


Carron

Jul 28, 2004, 3:16 PM

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Re: [Georgia] What tipped the scales for you?

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My story is very similar to yours. Lots of time spent over the years in Mexico. The last large falling down old Victorian house we remodeled in Houston required more permits than we could ever have imagined. We slapped a primer coat of paint on the old siding, then got a tax bill for over $6000 US for one year and had to wait a while to put on the top coat. Our insurance company suddenly said we had 30 days to put on a new roof or they would cancel the coverage. They also sent a copy to the mortgage holder who said he would foreclose immediately if we let the insurance lapse. The improvements raised our assessment. Then the tax accessor who had done a drive by complained to the city that we were in violation of codes because we were actually living in a house that wasn't completely painted. They gave us 7 days to put a final coat on the outside or the city was going to come in and paint it for us and put a lien against the property if we didn't pay.

Then I got two job offers to teach English as a second language in Mexico. We put the house up for sale, had a garage sale of everything we owned, packed a few bags and our impressive profit, and moved our family to Chiapas. No regrets.


Bubba

Jul 28, 2004, 3:55 PM

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What are the alternatives in the U.S.? I'm a native of Alabama and my wife grew up in Paris. We lived in the San Francisco Bay Area all of our adult lives. It was a great place but too expensive for retirement plus sitting on all that house equity one earns by simply staying alive in the Bay Area made no sense. Making mortgage payment to boot made no sense either. As a further inducement to leave California, a wonderful state otherwise, when we started drawing down our IRAs we would have had to pay California state income tax had we remained resident there.

We would have never considered moving north like some crazed Californians who moved to the insular and drizzly Northwest so we had considered the southern rim of states narrowing down our choices to parts of Arizona, New Mexico or the coasts of Alabama, Florida and Georgia. There are some great towns in those areas and astounding natural beauty and some places in those regions are cheaper to live in than Ajijic where we now live, but there is one thing they all have in common. At least for a considerable part of the year the climate is miserable in all options. Have you been in Tucson or Mobile in the summer or Santa Fe in the winter?

The clear option was the tropical highlands encircling the globe at a height of from 5,000 to 7,000 feet. There are a lot of these places with fantasy climates. The height at which one settles if one enjoys highlands has a lot to do with proximity to the equator. For instance, one might find the Mount Kenya area in Africa quite pleasant at 7,000 feet. At the latitude of Central Mexico, 5,000 to 6,000 feet is probably most amenable for climate.

Anyway, the issue was finding a place to stay all year rather than being burdened with having homes in winter and summer places. The Guadalajara area fit the bill for us not only because of climate but probable political and economic stability.

Of course, nothing is as simple as it seems at first. We are now finding it a bit chilly here in the winter. Maybe we will have to move to Quintana Roo each year when our knees start knocking.

By the way, those of you considering the north shore of Lake Chapala as a retirement alternative had better stop procrastinating. This place is on a roll and, if you think housing is expensive now, wait until the baby boomers start flocking here.

No, Bubba is not a real estate agent and is not the least bit interested in your loot nor your presence hereabouts. It's too crowded already. In fact Ajijic is kind of a dump. I highly recommend, as always, San Miguel d'Allende even though it is at about 7,000 feet and a bit colder than here but the expats living there are way more interesting and sophisticated than us Ajijic expats who are mostly from places like Cairo, Illinois.


patricio_lintz


Jul 30, 2004, 11:01 AM

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In our case, being recent arrivals (May, 2004), it was similar reasons as others.

We had been talking of retiring to Mexico for several years. Lisa (Isabel) speaks fluent Spanish; yo hablo poquito.

We have visited Mexico, Puerto Vallarta and San Carlos many times. We are both Texans who were living in Phoenix, AZ. By way of introduction, I am retired from Honeywell and Lisa is thr Retired Executive Director of Centro Adelante Campesino, a non profit social services organization in Northwest Maricopa County Arizona.

Being somewhat tired of 105 to 120 degree Farenheit summer temperatures, and not wanting to spend our days in some retirement community like Sun City, we just did it.

1. Adventure- We sold most of our things or gave them away to family & Charity. We came down with a Ford F250 four-wheel drive long-bed pickup loaded with our things and our dog.

At the border, we were directed to the dock area where the Commercial Semitrailers were being unloaded for inspection. A customs agent soon informed us (in Spanish) that the pickup would have to be unloaded. It could be just a few items or the entire truck would be unloaded- it was our choice. Either way, we would have to pay for the unloading. He asked for $400 pesos for the unloading. This was on top of the Customs broker's fee $280 USD and
menaje de casa fee ($126 USD) already paid.

In the interest of saving everyone's time we choose the few items and palmed the $400 pesos to the agent. The long delay, to make it look good to the truckers, put us into driving late into the night to get to Guaymas, our first stop. Well, we asked for adventure!

We plan a couple of more trips with the pickup to bring down family pictures and some things which we cannot do without. We will have to pay the duty (I think 17%) on whatever we bring in the time.

2. Weather- We arrived in May, the hottest month, in Chapala and found the weather not unpleasant.

3. Economic- we leased out our free & clear house in Phoenix for $950/ month. we are presently leasing an upstairs casita (100 meters sq.) for $250/ month in Chapala. Already we have bought a lot in Vista del Lago ( We like bargains). Our original plan was to tour Mexico for two years before settling on a location. This is still a good plan for a newcomer.

4. Freedom. I find that we are not hassled much in the areas of Mexico which we have visited. People in general are muy amable.

In general, one is hassled less (once past the border and immigration hurdles) here than in the States by authorities, homeowners Assoc., and by local residents.

I did have to leave all of my firearms in storage in Phoenix because I did not have time to sell or import them. Some day, I may go through the red tape of getting one shotgun and one rifle down. I was just getting good at Sporting Clays... Otherwise, we will bring down our archery equipment and do some 3-D target shooting.

5. Culture- Mexico is very interesting and diverse. Sometimes it can cut both ways, living in the town as we do, it is noisy, roosters crowing, dogs barking & ours responding, cannon crackers going off in the sky at dawn and other times also. We live across the street from a busy taller mechanico which is noisy from 9:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. most days. This noise was definitely an influence on our buying a lot in Vista del Lago.

We still plan to do our travels and experience the broad cultural activities across Mexico. We leave the truck in the garage & travel by bus. We have been to Guaymas, Mazatlan, Puerto Vallarto, Manzanillo, La Piedad & Guadalajara as well as lakeside north, so far.


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julietl


Jul 30, 2004, 4:51 PM

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Re: [talosian] What tipped the scales for you?

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donwilliston


Aug 1, 2004, 8:35 AM

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Tipping the scales? Well, for me, the scales were never tipped. My Grandmother moved to Mexico when Trumen was president, We'd visit, and my father would hate it; I never stopped loving it.

What do you say; the people are great, I love the food, the weather (in Mazatlan), the transportation system, the culture, the mercado, the shrimp. Especially the mixture of "Modern" and "Traditional"; I can get cable Internet one block from a traditional mercado. Did I mention the people? Sunsets are nice too.

I decided to retire to Mazatlan 35 years ago before there was a scale to tip.

don

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Lavanda

Aug 1, 2004, 9:22 AM

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For me, it was love at first visit.

The "feel" of it, the beautiful people, the beautiful land,
architecture (event the poble jacales), the climate, the light, the food, the sounds, the language ... and on and on.

Ironically, I have a husband from Mexico who is not ready to retire and go home, as I am ready.

I live for the time when we will return full time.

Nice little side reasons are the cost of living, and the fact that I will be able to live much better there on the same income as in the US, and that my health is bettr when in mi Mexico.

Given all of that, Mexico is not for everyone, and if you have doubts, listen to your instincts.

Have not been yet to lakeside, but prefer to live among the natives (just my personal choice, and still have friends
with expats in the area.


!! Viva Mexico, warts and all !!!


 
 
 
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