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elcomputo

Oct 31, 2003, 5:30 PM

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Has anyone yet figured out how to deal with TelMex?

I am having no problems (so far), but I have a friend whose service has been kaput for 6 out of the past 8 weeks. TelMex came out and fixed it once, but the phone went out again two weeks later. The first time it took them three weeks to respond. This time the outage is going into its fourth week.

To add insult to injury, TelMex charges even for the weeks you have no service!

If the "phone company" in the States took more than two days to make a service call, we would have a fit. If it took one week, the FCC would have a fit. Why? Because in the USA, the telephone stopped being a nice but non-essential consumer good to have about 60 or 70 years ago. It is an absolute necessity. How would you get a job if you could not list your telephone number on your resume? How many friends would you have if you had no way for them to call you? Think what life would be like without having access to 911, especially if you have someone of advanced age and failing health in the house.

I understand TelMex used to be a government operation, which meant it was the only game in town and did not have to be responsive to the public under the Mexican governmental system of one-party rule. But then the government divested. Now, I am told, TelMex is the property of one rather wealthy individual and is STILL the only game in town.

Wasn't it Lily Tomlin who invented the phrase "We're the phone company. We don't HAVE to care?" I used to complain about the phone service in the States. Here it is about the same price as up there, and the service is ten times worse.

So, is there any way of actually fighting this dragon?



Carol Schmidt


Oct 31, 2003, 5:51 PM

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A friend who has been waiting many months for a new phone line to be installed tried to wave down a TelMex truck with a $100 U.S. bill! No dice, and when she got to the TelMex office they chewed her out, how dare she think she could bribe them? Always heard that was how you got a line, bribed a TelMex truck. No ideas, just the wish of good luck!

Carol Schmidt


gpk

Nov 1, 2003, 10:41 AM

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Carlos Slim, owner of TelMex, has improved "service", but there are, as you know, still problems. I was on the waiting list for a line in San Miguel for over 2 years--I sold the house before I got a line. I have had no (serious) problems in either Leon or Irapuato. People forget that San Miguel, while very special, is "podunk" in Mexican eyes, and service is the same in all very small towns.
The "bribe" didn't work, but there are private workers that can get a line installed--you just have to find them and pay--when I was waiting, the "pay" was US$200. I refused.


Judy in Ags


Nov 1, 2003, 12:46 PM

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We have the rather unique problem of having only an extension in our apartment while the owner has the main phone. All rainy season we had the problem of the phone going out every time it rained. As soon as the sun came out, it would come on again. Finally it got so we had no service even when it wasn't raining so my husband climbed up on the roof (of both our apartment and the owners' house) and found that the phone lines were nothing more than interior phone wire (all corroded by the weather) and the connections were all completely exposed. It's a wonder the phone ever worked! All the wires have now been replaced and the phone is working fine (when the owners pay the bill). Of course, the rains have also stopped so we're not positive the problem is completely solved.

I emphathize with you re: Telmex. The owners had not paid the bill, however the phone wasn't cut off till a couple days after they paid the bills and then it took about 10 days to get it reconnected.


tkingrey

Nov 1, 2003, 4:19 PM

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You need to remember, you are living in a THIRD WORLD country. From what I can see, it's like a mix of upscale US areas (especially in terms of prices) and, say, Honduras...or Zambia. It depends where you are. If you expect American service and quality, it ain't happening, for the most part. I believe Mexico will eventually achieve first world status, but it's a long way away. There are some very interesting aberrations in the way the country operates because of the proximity to the US. There is so much American money flowing in here, so they think they can charge American prices, but without the quality. I'm interested to see what happens in the future.


jennifer rose

Nov 2, 2003, 1:51 PM

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Telmex has made a century’s worth of change in only a decade. Let me tell you about the Old Days, when:

1. A would-be customer had to buy Telefonos de Mexico stock before getting a line.
2. New phone lines cost as much as $500 USD.
3. Waits as long as two years were not uncommon.
4. You couldn’t pay your phone bill online. There were no drive-through Telmex kiosks to pay the bill, which could only be paid at Telmex or a limited number of establishments.
5. Many new neighborhoods, and deluxe ones at that, simply had no telephone lines.
6. People didn’t have cel phones. If you wanted to invite someone to a party or get a message to them, you simply went over to their house or sent a taxi with a message.
7. Going back even farther back in time, if you had an account with one phone company, you could only call others who had accounts with the same phone company.
8. Phantom charges appeared on customers’ phone bills for phone calls to places like France, and customers’ only recourse was to ante up or lose service.
9. Phone numbers were only 4 digits long….and only 3 in some places.
10. Getting the phone company to respond to any query spelled a trip down to the phone company, only to hear an excuse like “Sra. Hernandez, you told us to disconnect your line.”

People still found jobs and social lives back then. Today, many people who don’t have land line are able to inexpensively use cel phones.

Today, Telmex (at least in my area) responds to a service call within a few hours. I’ve found the Telmex personnel to be courteous and accommodating – even the last time when I thought my phone was out of order only to find that one of the phones was off the hook!

True, in Mexico it is necessary to replace wiring more frequently. Telmex is responsible only for the wiring leading to the exterior of a customer’s house. Beyond that, it’s the customer’s responsibility. And, fortunately, many Telmex workers will come back after their shifts are over and perform the work privately for a reasonable fee.

It helps to have an extra phone line, just for those times when one line fails. And to have a cel phone number as well for redundancy.

If you think you’ve got it bad where you live, go out into the very rural areas, where there is but a single phone, where “Lupita Hernandez, you’ve got a phone call” is broadcast over the P.A. Or where people line up to use the caseta de larga distancia.


johanson


Nov 2, 2003, 5:24 PM

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Before you get too upset with telmex, visit Central America where phone service has much to be desired. Without going into detail if you have ever used the phone service there, you will appreciate what we have here in Mexico.

Oh, by the way, the telephone system is getting better in Guatemala (TelGua) now that it is owned by TelMex.

Pete


Ed and Fran

Nov 3, 2003, 5:47 AM

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I agree that things are definitely better. When I first started visiting the colonia where we have our house, there were no phone lines in the colonia, not just none available, no service period. They installed lines 2 or 3 years ago, and we had a phone installed in my in-law's house. Service has been okay, not perfect, but generally reliable. No phantom charges to-date anyway.

As recently as 6 months ago there were flyers posted on some of the telephone poles in the neighborhood encouraging people to contract a second line!! A couple of months ago, since we're about to formally move down to stay, we figured it was time to get our line installed and Fran went down to Telmex to sign up for our line - surprise! Seems they ran only a limited (qty unknown) number of lines and those are now already contracted. They appear to be ready to activate more lines so we figure the wait won't be too long. And, of course, we have cell phone backup and can always use the phone at the in-laws house.

Now the accuracy and usefulness of the "yellow pages" there is something else..............

E&F


johanson


Nov 3, 2003, 6:08 AM

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I am building a new house and it will be finished at about the beginning of the year. I'm glad you reminded me about the long wait for a new line. Luckily the house is next door to where I am now living. If worse comes to worse, I can always take one of the two lines from this house to the new one.

But today I am going to the Ajijic TelMex office to sign up for a new line. As has been posted earlier, if you don't speak Spanish, there are several employees in the Ajijic office who do. How many? I don't know, I usually speak broken Spanish to them, so out of courtesy they respond in Spanish.

Now if I only spoke Spanish better. Then things would become even easier.


shoe


Nov 3, 2003, 6:25 AM

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Some of you may not realize it there are places in the good old United States that aren't so hot with their telephone service. When I moved to Kentucky in late 1989 I was only able to get a 6 party line. It was that way for the next 4.5 years. Then they modernized the system and I got a private line and I could hook up a computer to the line. It wasn't legal to do that before then. I may have cheated and done it in the early morning hours but anyone could pick up a phone and disable the connection with a couple of flashes. When I left there earlier this year I was running at the resounding speed of 19.2K as that was as fast as the service could handle it. No DSL service, or anything else was available to me that was faster, unless I went satellite. I had neighbors 6 miles away that couldn't get a local ISP hookup as there wasn't any available. This is still true today and they won't pay long distance to get on the internet. Everything is available to me in Ajijic and that is nice. Telmex works just fine I think and I am using dialup right now.

My only problem is sometime I get calls and I don't understand the people calling as they speak what is to me a foreign language. Gee, wonder why that is. Do you suppose it is because I am in Mexico? I am trying to learn the language and having a difficult time of it, just too old to learn I guess.

shoe

Nothing is intrinsically good or evil, but its manner of usage may make it so.
-St. Thomas Aquinas


mrchuck


Nov 3, 2003, 6:28 AM

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Telmex just installed the DSL speed here. In Los Barriles!! 10Mbps! Telmex Infinitum.

Things have changed. They still lay phone lines helter skelter everywhere, but these lines are tough enough that many here tow their cars to the garage with them.

Ah, yes progress, saludos, mc


alex .

Nov 3, 2003, 7:18 AM

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in our neighborhood. And even though one can pay on-line, its such a pleasant experience paying at the office downtown. Its like walking into a beauty pagent : The employee "uniform" is short black skirt, white blouse, and I hope it never goes out of style black brasiere underneath.....too bad the bill arrives only once a month!
Alex


(This post was edited by alex . on Nov 3, 2003, 7:20 AM)


pat

Nov 3, 2003, 3:37 PM

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Alex, You da man!

Pat


Marlene


Nov 4, 2003, 7:15 PM

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Alex, Alex, Alex,

Whatever are we going to do with you? Now we all know why our husbands trot dutifully on down to pay the Telmex bill EARLY. My hubby was worried just today because the bill was now due! I said, "but honey, you know we have 3 days grace period with Telmex".

I think it is very cool that Telmex phones us with a pre-recorded message telling us that the bill is due in a couple of days. How great is that and why don't all our bill collectors do that? I love Mexico!
 
 
 
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