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Robert Velez

Feb 16, 2004, 6:58 AM

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Sport of Firearms Competitions

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We're members of an acive firearms club in U.S. and enter into competitions semi-annually. Is there any such sport in the area? And we need info on process to transfer these items to MX if we plan to retire there.



PBGollaz

Feb 16, 2004, 8:45 AM

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Re: [Robert Velez] Sport of Firearms Competitions

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DANGER! SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES!

Yes, there are hunting and shooting clubs in Mexico. However, before searching them out, Mexican firearms laws should be fully understood. The importation of firearms into Mexico for any reason is so fraught with serious consequences that the U.S. State Department has posted a special advisory message on its website. Mexico has severe penalties for importing any type of firearm, weapon, or ammunition without first obtaining written authorization from Mexican authorities. It does not matter whether U.S. citizens are licensed to carry firearms or ammunition in the United States, or whether they unintentionally transport them while driving in their vehicle, or have them in their luggage while traveling by commercial or private plane or boat. It also does not matter whether visitors to Mexico are U.S. law enforcement or military officials. Mexican authorities strictly enforce laws restricting the entry of firearms and ammunition along their borders and at air or seaports.

Each year dozens of Americans are arrested or fined in Mexico in connection with weapons violations. About 35 U.S. citizens are currently incarcerated in Mexican prisons on weapons-related charges. Many of them inadvertently and innocently transported a firearm or a small amount of ammunition that they were licensed to carry in the United States without realizing that they were violating Mexican laws. Some were merely driving across the border for a day visit, to shop or to eat in a restaurant. Remember that if a visitor is caught bringing in a firearm, ammunition, or other weapon, Mexican authorities may confiscate the person's vehicle or other personal property and place the individual under arrest. Detained Americans may spend months in pre-trial detention while their case is being investigated. If convicted, they may face several years (up to 30!) in a Mexican prison. While a U.S. Consul can visit U.S. citizens in jail, make sure that they are being treated humanely, and provide a list of attorneys to assist with the Mexican judicial process, the U.S. Consul cannot get U.S. citizens released from jail.

U.S. citizens who approach Mexico along the land border or who arrive by boat should check carefully to ensure that someone else has not left weapons or ammunition in the vehicle or boat. If U.S. citizen visitors realize that they are in possession of firearms, ammunition, or other weapons, they should not proceed into Mexico. They should not attempt to enter Mexico - even to turn around - or go through Mexican Customs. All land border crossings have pull-offs or turnarounds on the U.S. side.

The only way to legally import firearms and ammunition into Mexico is to secure a permit in advance from the Mexican Embassy in Washington, D.C. or from a Mexican Consulate in the United States. Mariners who have obtained a Mexican firearm permit should contact Mexican port officials before attempting to enter Mexican waters, to learn about specific procedures to report and secure weapons and ammunition.

Patrick
Zapopan, Jalisco, México


N2Futur

Feb 16, 2004, 3:22 PM

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Re: [pbgollaz] Owning a firearm in Mexico

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I'm curious about this too. Used to shoot in competitions as well, but haven't in a few years. Does the Mexican government generally grant a permit to import firearms for FM3 Visa holders, is it on a case to case basis? We'd feel much safer if we could bring a small, lets say .22 or .38 with us, I'm sure the Ruger 45 I currently own (and know how to use) probably won't qualify? Does anyone know who actually qualifies for bringing in a small gun? If that's not possible, what is the legality and the chance of being able to buy one in Mexico? (not looking at breaking any laws - just the legal stuff, please...)

Elke
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(This post was edited by N2Futur on Feb 16, 2004, 3:24 PM)


PBGollaz

Feb 16, 2004, 6:29 PM

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Hi! Elke,

Well, as I said in my message above, the Mexican government has very strict controls over the introduction of firearms into the country but does have a permit process. I've been told that handguns cannot be imported at all and that rifles and shotguns require a very laborious permit process. However, I've never seen anything official written about either of those statements.

On the other hand, there is a lot of hunting on both sides of the Texas-Mexico border up where I used to live. I've never participated myself because I don't agree with the way they "tame" the Whitetail Deer to make them easier to shoot (but I digress -- that's another story entirely). Anyway, the point is that the hunters constantly hunt both sides of the border and relatively few of them end up in Mexican jails. So, most of them must have mastered the permit process.

Since Mexican Consulates in the U.S. are the only source of permits for importing firearms into Mexico, the one located nearest you should be your best, most accurate source of information concerning the permit process.

Patrick
Zapopan, Jalisco, México


johnv

Feb 17, 2004, 9:09 AM

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The following was emailed to me by the Mexican Embassy in Washington D.C:

Please be advised that foreigners may be authorized to carry arms only when they are permanent legal residents in Mexico (“inmigrados”, an immigration status obtained after a five-year residence in Mexico and the corresponding authorization issued by the Mexican immigration authorities), with the exception of a temporary license which is granted to tourists going to Mexico for hunting purposes.

Likewise, foreign hunters not residing in Mexico and wishing to go hunting into Mexican territory must contract the services of a hunting organizer or a wild fauna breeder, duly authorized by the Direction General of Wild Life of the Environment, Natural Resources and Fishing Secretariat, and should be accompanied by him, or a hunting assistant designated by him, during their hunting practice. In order for you to receive more and specific information on the temporary hunting license, as well as on the other requirements to be met by you, we would suggest you to provide your nearest Mexican Consulate, or this office in case you reside in Washington, D.C., Virginia, West Virginia or Maryland, with the following minimum information: 1.- Your citizenship. 2.- The specifications of your shotgun. 3.- The places and dates you are planning to go hunting in Mexico. 4.- What you are going to hunt, etc.


Kimpatsu Hekigan


Feb 17, 2004, 8:16 PM

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Here's another perspective on the legality and consequences of bringing firearms into Mexico:

http://www.rimjournal.com/.../alamos/firearms.htm

HTH,

-- KH


dumois


Feb 18, 2004, 8:14 AM

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The 45 is absolutely out of bounds, as Mexican Firearms and Explosives laws reserve that caliber for the use of the Army only. By the way, the primary authority in charge of enforcing these laws is the Mexican Army.

Once in Mexico you may buy a handgun (permitted calibers such a 38SP or 22) from anybody as long as you immediately go to the nearest Army Registration office and register the gun to your name. In that way you may legally keep the gun in your home. If you want to transport the gun from your house to the shooting range and back, or take it to a competition, you must belong to a registered shooting or hunting club. The clubs make all the paperwork for your transportation permits with the Army.

Saludos desde Guadalajara,

Dumois
 
 
 
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