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Axixic

Jul 13, 2011, 11:11 AM

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Safer in Mexico?

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Stay away from the cartels and you are probably safer in Mexico than the U.S.

whynotwrite

Jul 14, 2011, 6:00 AM

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You are a brave and honorable person but be prepare to be BBQ´d. I know you know this fact, that is what makes you brave ( or hard skinned). Mexico gets better everyday and soon we will reap the rewards, besides the good stuff we already have.

richmx2

Jul 15, 2011, 9:50 AM

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Extremely interesting! Do you happen to have a link to the source documentation, or where you found these charts?

http://mexfiles.net
http://voiceofmexico.com
http://editorialmazatlan.com

Axixic

Jul 15, 2011, 10:20 AM

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I have to find the links but this link is even more interesting:

http://www.nationmaster.com/.../United-States/Crime

(This post was edited by Rolly on Jul 15, 2011, 10:33 AM)

Maxmilliano

Jul 15, 2011, 10:36 AM

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Re: [Axixic] Safer in Mexico?

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Personally I find any official crime statistics coming from Mexico highly suspect.

Axixic

Jul 15, 2011, 10:37 AM

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http://www.crimeinmexico.com/site/us-vs-mexico-crime-statistics/

Moisheh

Jul 18, 2011, 5:23 PM

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Bennie García

Jul 18, 2011, 5:55 PM

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Even the statistics that are published are "cleansed".

By whom? When and where?

richmx2

Jul 18, 2011, 8:09 PM

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Re: [Moisheh] Safer in Mexico?

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Moisheh, you may be right in saying "most Mexicans don't report crimes" but then, if the crime isn't reported...

As it is, perhaps in the United States every conceivable legal infraction is reported to police, whereas elsewhere such matters are privately settled, or seen as not warranting police intervention. Certain types of crimes (like murder or auto theft) are good for comparison figures. Murder, because even a suspected murder, both here and in the U.S. generally requires an autopsy and a police report, and auto thefts (at least where insurance is required) gives you good statistical data on theft in general.

Accepting that official rates might be suspect (although, note these stats came from not just Mexican sources, but UN and other international bodies and NGOs as well), I once found that -- despite some seemingly rational claims -- murder rates in Mexico City were dropping... using the budget figures for the medical examiner. Mexico had just changed the law on required autopsies to include suspicious deaths at home, which should have meant more autopsies, but there were less in DF. This was several years ago, but the point is there are alternative ways to get around people who just don't like the stats and are trying to come up with a rationale for discrediting them.

http://mexfiles.net
http://voiceofmexico.com
http://editorialmazatlan.com

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mensamia

Jul 19, 2011, 7:01 AM

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Hmm, do you really think the cartels murdered the 60 year old Canadian woman in San Miguel de Allende, or the other two seniors who were also murdered this year in SMA?
" to see the world in a grain of sand". W. Blake

chinagringo

Jul 19, 2011, 7:22 AM

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For crying out loud! Has there been any evidence presented that this women was killed because she was Canadian? All indications are that this was a crime of opportunity. Would you express the same indignation if it was a Mexican woman?
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Neil
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Axixic

Jul 19, 2011, 7:26 AM

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Axixic: Why would you find the crime statistics suspect? Do you think that the following could possibly affect the statsitics: Most Mexicans do not report crimes.
The Army and Feds do not have any real statistics on cartel activity.
Even the statistics that are published are "cleansed".

Besides why would anyone feel safe just beause someone claims it is safer????

Moisheh

I didn't write that I find the statistics suspect. It's hard to hide dead bodies so going by the murder rates compared to the U.S., even with the cartels killing each other off in Mexico, Mexico is safer than the U.S. Mexico doesn't have the random violent crime found in the U.S.

Moisheh

Jul 19, 2011, 9:43 AM

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Sorry: It was maxmilliano

Bennie García

Aug 25, 2011, 8:48 PM

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Stay away from the cartels and you are probably safer in Mexico than the U.S.

Well with the latest attack in Monterrey I'd say that it is getting more difficult to claim that if you keep your nose out of the cartels business you run little risk.

It is out of control. The government can no longer claim it is in control of public safety.

Brian

Aug 25, 2011, 10:49 PM

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Words matter.

According to the English language article, President Calderon declared the atrocity in Monterrey to be "abhorrent" which it certainly is. However, in the Mexican press and on Twitter he has described the event to be an "aberration" which it is not. How often have we seen violent crimes in Mexico written off as isolated incidents by governments officials. At least, in this case, the head of national security has called the crime an act of terrorism.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...0-dead_n_937411.html

http://www.milenio.com/...051cf54e4a52255b839c

Brian

Edited to create live link.

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Bennie García

Aug 26, 2011, 6:58 AM

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I has been reported that many if not most of the victims have been found to be middle age women. How incredibly sad that people doing nothing more than playing bingo in the afternoon are now suffering from this whole "drug war" abomination.

In the meanwhile politicians will continue to refuse to address legalization.

Brian

Aug 26, 2011, 7:44 AM

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Drug trafficking, extortion and copyright piracy are the main sources of income for the organized crime cartels. It could be argued that, as drug profits have dropped (in this case from interdiction rather than legalization), the latter two enterprises have been flourishing. Legalization would only remove the first element but how would that curtail extortion and piracy. You are right about the middle age women phenomenon going to the casinos while their husbands are at their casas chicas. I used to see them all the time in Tijuana where Jorge Hank Rhon controlled both the gambling and the local government simultaneously. He is currently under investigation but we all know how the line between investigation and political machinations is often blurred by corruption.

Bennie García

Aug 26, 2011, 8:11 AM

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Legalization would only remove the first element but how would that curtail extortion and piracy.

Because they wouldn't enjoy the vastly superior sums of money used to finance their side businesses that the drug trade generates. There would be far less money for arms, bribes, transport, communications equipment etc. Government resources would no longer be required to combat illegal drug violations freeing time and money to attack other types of crime. Besides, even if it didn't curtail the other crimes, what is the negative to ending prohibition? Time for governments to get out of the morality legislation business and leave that to society.

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You are right about the middle age women phenomenon going to the casinos while their husbands are at their casas chicas.

Not exactly. Those are your words not mine and I don't happen to agree. I find those types of stereotypes to be based on ignorance. You might want to toss that broad brush in the garbage.

Brian

Aug 26, 2011, 10:33 AM

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Re: [Bennie García] Safer in Mexico?

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I don't enjoy replying to your posts which I, at least, find often offensive. In this case, what you you refer to as a stereotype was actually described to me by my Mexican mother-in-law who understood the very real phenomenon of the Casa Chica first hand. I told you that I was aware of specific instances when I lived in Tijuana during the nineties. The practice is no longer as frequent as it was then largely due to the strained economy and the emerging womens' rights movement in Mexico. It has not, however, been completely eradicated in the country's upper middle class.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2011/03/adultery-now-illegal-in-mexico-who-knew.html

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Bennie García

Aug 26, 2011, 10:55 AM

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So all of the middle age women in the casinos have cheating husbands? How would anyone besides each one of those women know if it is true in her case? Who is your MIL? Walter Mercado?

DavidMcL

Aug 26, 2011, 11:16 AM

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Enough please. Back to the original discussion.

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Brian

Aug 26, 2011, 11:46 AM

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Thanks, David. An admonition is better than locking a pertinent thread when participants go off-topic. I apologize.

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Bennie García

Aug 26, 2011, 11:57 AM

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The point I was making is that many completely innocent people are victims in the so-called drug war. And this is something that is unfortunately occurring more and more frequently.

joaquinx

Aug 26, 2011, 12:16 PM

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Brian, I'm trying to follow your logic but it doesn't follow. Legalizing drugs will not alter the course of organized crime. A case in point was the organized crime in the US after prohibition was repealed. They simply moved onto other forms of criminal activity. You don't need much money for extortion, just thugs. I agree that governments should get out of the morality legislation business, but governments in a democracy are a reflection of the people - like it or not.

Bennie García

Aug 26, 2011, 12:24 PM

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I believe you meant to direct that post to me and not the esteemed Brian.

Well you hold a different opinion than I do on the subject. Could you show me how extortion and kidnapping will generate the astronomical amount of money that the drug business does? After all, the drug business provides a product for a willing populace and the users are repeat customers. The product is consumed and must be replaced.The victims here are peripheral, rival gangs killing each other and collateral damage, which is where most of the innocent victims lie. Other crimes such as extortion or kidnapping have a finite number of victims. And they are truly innocent.

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