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YucaLandia


Aug 21, 2013, 7:23 PM

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Rolly's World

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Rolly really is quite special.

One consequence of this? There's a move afoot behind the scenes, to take the bits and pieces of what we know of Rolly, and form them into a joint effort to recognize Rolly for all his fine fine contributions to Mexico and to our lives.

Some of us see a chance to transform our stories of Rolly, blended with his unique and valuable ways of helping others, into a a group effort to get the Mexican Government to also recognize Rolly's contributions to El bienestar de México.

We invite people to share stories and details of how Rolly has influenced, affected, and maybe even change the courses of our lives and our expat communities.

Our stories create poignant, detail-rich imagery that are the axles that the whole thing could turn around. Sure, a good writer could take details from his website, create context, form summaries and arrive at conclusions ~ but the stories are what really stick in our imaginations and warm our hearts to action.

They don't need to be elaborate, or spellbinding....
Anecdotes and warm memories are often far more profound that the prettiest prose.

We look forward to seeing/hearing what bobs to the surface,
steve
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sam.I.am

Aug 22, 2013, 8:13 AM

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...And then there are others who think you are applying for the new opening for moderator. just saying.


YucaLandia


Aug 22, 2013, 9:14 AM

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There will always be gossip and gossips, and those who repeat the gossip, spinning reality to suit their own world views. .... no big deal ...

There is no truth to any of the rumors.

I and 4 other people simply acknowledge what fine and unique contributions Rolly has made, and we'd like to see some additional recognition(s) that publicly identify and recognize the positive contributions Rolly has made to Mexico, and the foreign residents of Mexico.
Happy Trails,
steve
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Aug 22, 2013, 9:16 AM)


robt65

Aug 22, 2013, 10:15 AM

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It sure doesn't take long for some folks to try and start something out of nothing. I wouldn't worry about it Steve. I think the idea is a very good one.

The one thing that I will always recall of Rolly was his principles. No matter what he suggested or advised, he was on the side of doing things right to avoid hassles for folks and adhering to the law of his new land, his new home, Mexico. His experiences, knowledge and assistance to those of us who needed to be kept on the straight and narrow for doing things correctly in Mexico was always right on.

Regards,

Robt65
San Juan del Rio


bronco

Aug 22, 2013, 12:49 PM

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good idea steve.


Bennie García

Aug 22, 2013, 2:53 PM

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What exactly did he do for Mexico? Just asking.


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YucaLandia


Aug 22, 2013, 9:27 PM

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Hey Bennie,
It's OK that you don't get it. It's OK that you don't appreciate what Rolly did.

For many of us, it's nice to recognize people who spend 20 years helping 1,000's of other people - for no financial gain. We admire people who do things out of the goodness of their hearts, doing things that make other people's lives better, let alone doing them in patient, classy, and professional ways.
Be happy,
steve
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Aug 22, 2013, 9:29 PM)


robt65

Aug 23, 2013, 5:48 AM

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Bennie,

You must have missed the times Rolly spoke about "his students" and the great amount of time he has spent with them teaching them English and developing their educational and social skills. Although I know not for sure, it would not surprise me one little bit if he even assisted financially with their education. I know for a fact he reached to many about getting some leads for an apprenticeship possibility for the student studying Veterinary Medicine. You must have missed the number of blogs he has written here on everything from Construction "Spanish' for tools and materials, of the "How to ;list your household goods' when immigrating into Mexico, or his cooking blogs. Gee, Bennie, lighten up and be happy . . . .. for a change. What have you contributed, Bennie?

Regards,

Robt65


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Bennie García

Aug 23, 2013, 6:17 AM

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Bennie,

You must have missed the times Rolly spoke about "his students" and the great amount of time he has spent with them teaching them English and developing their educational and social skills. Although I know not for sure, it would not surprise me one little bit if he even assisted financially with their education. I know for a fact he reached to many about getting some leads for an apprenticeship possibility for the student studying Veterinary Medicine. You must have missed the number of blogs he has written here on everything from Construction "Spanish' for tools and materials, of the "How to ;list your household goods' when immigrating into Mexico, or his cooking blogs. Gee, Bennie, lighten up and be happy . . . .. for a change. What have you contributed, Bennie?

Regards,

Robt65


I asked what has he done for Mexico to deserve special recognition from the Mexican government? Giving a few kids Spanish lessons? Helping a bunch of clueless gringos? Hardly.

I have employed many people over a long period of time. Ask them if that qualifies as a contibution to Mexico's well being. Because some people don't seek attention doesn't mean they don't add significantly to this country.

Special recognition should be a result of special deeds.


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YucaLandia


Aug 23, 2013, 7:09 AM

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I can only speak for myself on this. I am grateful for Rolly's help, especially in making a good move to Mexico and smooth immigration and Aduana processes. Reading his advice before coming played key roles in our choices around moving to Mexico using the Mexican Government programs that fit what we wanted and needed to do.

Speaking to what I personally know: Once here, I became a part of my community more smoothly and more quickly due to Rolly's efforts, and his good examples. Merida and surrounding towns have benefited significantly from my living here and hence from Rolly's efforts that helped get me here. I am confident that 1,000's of expats across Mexico are doing good things in their communities, as also aided by Rolly. **

There are 450 poor families in Yucatan now, with special curtains covering their windows and doors as a result of us coming. These curtains greatly reduce the numbers of mosquitoes in their home which greatly lowers their Dengue virus infection risks. Since over 50% of the Dengue virus infections across Mexico have been occurring as 2º or 3º infections with potentially fatal Dengue Hemorrhagic Fever bleeding from the eyes, gums, and into the stomach. These direct aids to the public health of Mexico also do not include the more-difficult-to-measure effects of 7 years of our public education efforts on mosquito control and Dengue Virus control. Read more at: ~ Dengue Fact Sheet – May 2012 Update ~... and ~ Dengue Fever Information: What to Do? ~

Rolly's aiding our choices in coming to Mexico, and in aiding my integrating in productive ways into Mexican society have directly benefited Mexico, as I have been serving as scientific consultant, a staff editor on a medical/Public Health journal, and am a part of installing the insecticide treated curtains in yet another 450 poor people's homes (for a total of over 900 homes protected in very poor areas of Yucatan). **

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Bennie,
Hopefully you can now see that many things in life really do have - " pay it forward " - qualities that are not apparent upon first-glance, off-hand, casual evaluations. I am confident that Rolly's efforts have assisted-in/resulted-in 10,000's of " pay it forward " events across Mexico that are evident to people with open hearts and open minds.

This is why we ask for stories.....

I suspect many of us have not thought of the world this way.

Rolly has an integral part of many many chains of efforts. No single link is solely responsible, but the overall effort and end results often do not occur if we remain closed-off to helping others, and none of us can know our roles. It is clear to me that Rolly's kind and professional efforts touched many lives.

This is why we ask for stories...

Happy Trails,
steve


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**My apologies.... It is not normally my practice to advertise personal efforts, but there seemed to no other way to get the point across to Bennie and others, that Rolly's roles have benefitted 1,000's of expat Mexican residents and visitors, and hence benefitted 10,000's - 100,000's of Mexicans. The benefits of such positive efforts also are crucial to the formation of GOOD, productive, expat communities within Mexico. Hint: Not all of us are "clueless gringos". I could also not see how else to tangibly demonstrate that Mexico and Mexicans benefit as a result of Rolly's and other foreigner's (aka Residents) constructive, productive, and helpful efforts ~ ordinary people ~ who live, love, and work in Mexico.
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Aug 23, 2013, 7:15 AM)


yucatandreamer


Aug 23, 2013, 7:09 AM

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To take nothing away from Rolly who is most likely a very kind and generous person, I have to agree with you Bennie. He has written a fine blog, in today's parlance, which helped many of us clueless folks with dreams of moving to Mexico and has volunteered in his community. This is something that many of us do to one degree or another and ask for no recognition from Mexico.

Prehaps he is due special recognition from the expats but not from Mexico. In fact I doubt he would want this sort of hoopla but would probably happily receive an honorarium from those folks who wish to recognize his contributions.


YucaLandia


Aug 23, 2013, 7:19 AM

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Re: [yucatandreamer] Stories ... or Judging ? What is helpful?

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We understand that some people do not understand or choose to disagree. That is OK.

I am confident that it is not your intention to drag down positive efforts,
but the back-handed compliments about generosity and about Rolly seeking public recognition simply don't fit.

Rolly knew nothing of these previously-behind-the-scenes efforts.

Can the people who disagree, please start their own thread to dialogue about their disagreements and complaints?

Happy Trails,
steve
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Aug 23, 2013, 7:28 AM)


yucatandreamer


Aug 23, 2013, 7:35 AM

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I am not judging anyone however on second thought this thread seems more about you than Rolly. So yes that is my reasoned judgement.

I would think that to honor a person it might be productive to privately ask them what they would like. I doubt that Rolly was asked and if he was I suspect that he would not say he wanted official recognition from Mexico. I suggested an honorarium only because most people could use the cash and if people wish to include little stories of how Rolly helped them that are different from the ones in the goodbye thread I am sure that would be quite nice.


sparks


Aug 23, 2013, 7:51 AM

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Gheeesh .... Rolly retired just in time

Sparks Mexico - Sparks Costalegre


Bennie García

Aug 23, 2013, 8:01 AM

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Just mentioning the Order of the Aztec Eagle in this case is absurd. How can anyone put Rolly up there with such dignitaries as Nelson Mandela is absurd. Unless, hopefully, in was said tongue in cheek.


cbviajero

Aug 23, 2013, 8:44 AM

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Just mentioning the Order of the Aztec Eagle in this case is absurd. How can anyone put Rolly up there with such dignitaries as Nelson Mandela is absurd.

Not to mention the TV celebrity chef Rick Bayless,he got one last year...


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Sculptari

Aug 23, 2013, 8:46 AM

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From what little Rolly has told about himself, his story and accomplishments are much more than about Mexico. It is a lot about fostering community acceptance and the path of patience, example and honor. A path very few choose to travel these days. He is private about that side of things. It always surprised me that he started out as a Mormon, bringing the gospel to the people!
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YucaLandia


Aug 23, 2013, 9:04 AM

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I am not judging anyone however on second thought this thread seems more about you than Rolly. So yes that is my reasoned judgement.


To erase the false perceptions and imaginings by a few suspicious creative minds, Know that it was not my idea to solicit stories on Mexconnect.

Facts: In private, I asked multiple leaders from Mexconnect (present and past) to offer stories about Rolly. One who knows Rolly well, made the particular point about the importance of asking Mexconnector's to tell their own personal experiences - to make it a group, public effort - going beyond the short "Thank You's" of the It’s time to say good-bye thread.

Facts: It was not my idea, and I only reluctantly started this thread - reluctantly moving the good private efforts of a few, out into the public view - as I believe when doing charitable acts, the left hand should not know what the right hand is doing. (the opposite of the personal "reasoned judgement" of some individuals)

So, lets pour out this "tempest in a teapot" that temporarily hijacked the thread, let's drop the supposed "reasoned judgements", and instead, shift back to positive efforts.

If there are no stories from the broader public, then that's OK....

If there are stories, we'd love to hear them.

All the best,
steve
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abou

Aug 25, 2013, 1:45 AM

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Honorarium? I doubt it interests Rolly - that is not the reason he did all he did. He did not help his students to get government recognition for himself either I think! Rolly gave his time and kind words of encouragement, and wise opinion - I have no spare cash to donate, - I am retired - but I give my kind and best wishes back to Rolly. I suspect he is happy with what we each feel we want to do to honour the gifts he gave us! Most of us only know him from these kind on-line offerings - he would wish us to remain kind and polite now that he is no longer moderating. Rolly's gifts were from his heart, no strings, and he did all he did, not for public recognition, more than words sent back to him I think!? One thing I learned from Mexico was that cash is not what makes that world go round so much as kind human intervention in situations! Amazing difference..
 
 
 
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