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mexigrl

Nov 29, 2003, 12:46 PM

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Problems with Vehicle Permit and your advice on driving!

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Hi,

I went online and did the paperwork for my car permit but ran into a problem. My vehicle is leased and where is says "lessor" on the online form it insisted that you use of of their prewritten answers (which were all rental car companies, i.e. Hertz, Avis, etc). I finally had to check Avis. So now my permit reads that my car is leased from Avis. Do you think this will cause problems at the border?

About to leave MS to drive to TX and then over the border. Still unsure whether to cross at Laredo or Columbia. Uncle D suggested Columbia and it sounds like a good spot. However, most people say that they just cross at Laredo because of the extra hour it takes to do Columbia. I had thought I'd have a traveling companion with me, but it turns out I will be alone. I will also, most likely, have to stop for one night in between - any suggestions for a safe place since I will have all my worldly goods in the car? If you could share your tips and insights, and and directions that are helpful I would greatly appreciate it!



Gracias!

Laurianne



Jean

Nov 29, 2003, 3:03 PM

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Re: [mexigrl] Problems with Vehicle Permit and your advice on driving!

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Stop in Matahula which is 1/2 way to Guad. I assume you will be somewhere in the Guad area? Las Palmas is a really nice place to stay and looks like they will have secure parking. We had a pet so we were not able to stay there.
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esperanza

Nov 29, 2003, 4:04 PM

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Re: [mexigrl] Problems with Vehicle Permit and your advice on driving!

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Mexigirl, if I understand the law correctly, you have to have written permission from the lessor of your vehicle in order to bring it into Mexico. This situation with Avis-not Avis will only cause you a problem at the border if you use the online forms. It would be far wiser to fill out the forms when you get to the importation place, and bring a signed statement with you from the folks you're leasing the car from.

I'm willing to be wrong on this, but I think this is how it is.




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Rolly


Nov 29, 2003, 6:05 PM

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Re: [esperanza] Problems with Vehicle Permit and your advice on driving!

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Esperanza is right. Don't use that form with Avis's name on it -- it will mess things up. Yes, you MUST have a notarized letter of permission from the lessor. The letter should include the VIN.

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mexigrl

Nov 29, 2003, 6:10 PM

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Re: [Rolly] Problems with Vehicle Permit and your advice on driving!

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Hope this works! I have a notarized letter with the VIN and lease number on it from Honda Financial Services stating that I have permission to take the car from 12/1/03 and 5/1/04.

OK?

Mexigrl


jerezano

Nov 29, 2003, 6:25 PM

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Re: [mexigrl] Problems with Vehicle Permit and your advice on driving!

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Helo Mexgirl,

One of us has already commented that you need a letter from your lessor permitting you to drive the car into Mexico. That statement better be NOTARIZED as well. In the past when I was driving cars into Mexico that were not yet fully owned, The Mexican authorities were insisting on that notarization.

Do not use the on line forms. You will only get in trouble and your car will be denied entry.

Columbia is the much better place to cross. All my friends who cross there say that it is not an extra hour. That really the entry from the North is about the same time. I have seen somewhere on this forum a mile by mile description of how to drive to the bridge. Search for it. And your crossing experience will be more pleasant as you will miss the crowds.

If you find that you can't get entry into Mexico until after noon or 1:00 PM or so, you might want to consider stopping overnight as you approach Monterrey or at least Saltillo. Matahuala is a long 6 hours from the border.

Also I can't see why you want to go that way anyway. It really all depends where you are going in Guadalajara. If you are going to Chapala them maybe Monterrey, Matahuala, SLPotosí, Aguascalientes might possibly be OK if you don't mind heavy truck traffic. or paying a lot of tolls and insist on driving main routes. If you are going to the West or central part of Gaudalajara, Monterrey to Saltillo, to Zacatecas, to Guadalajara is shorter, less truck traffic and traffic in general, good road surface on two lane---not four lane or autopista--although a goodly part of the way from Zacatecas to Guad is two lane with Texas style move-over 1/2 lane shoulders.

From Nuevo Laredo to Saltillo is normally 4 1/2 to 5 hours. From Saltillo to Zacatecas is 4 3/4 to 5 1/2 hours. From Zacatecas to Guadalajara is 5 to 5 1/2 hours. Stopping places between Saltillo and Zacatecas are scarce although you hit a PEMEX about every hour and a half.

Jalpa is about half way between Zacatecas and Guad.

One word of warning. If you go Zacatecas to Guadalajara you will hit the Barranca just before you get to Guadalajara. That is mountain driving. If you have never driven in mountains then go the Matahuala route. Be sure and take the Mexico City turnoff to the left at Ramos Arizpe about 15 miles before you enter Saltillo.

Good luck. Jerezano.


jrice

Nov 29, 2003, 10:05 PM

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Re: [Rolly] Problems with Vehicle Permit and your advice on driving!

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My experience:
I had a car I was paying off, still technically owned by my credit union. On the first trip in, the folks at the border accepted a fax. I never needed a notarized letter. It would still be good to have one, of course.

Having an American plated car has some advantages: cheaper taxes, for example. But there are also problems.

If you ever go through Mexico City, you are subject to "Hoy No Circula," even if you have a brand new California-certified hybrid.

More seriously, what happens if your car is stolen?

Very, very few people in Mexico know. We have an attorney who is learning now on my nickle. I dedicated a full week to it, got 10 percent of the way and gave up.

-- If you had the importation documents in the car, you have to get certified replacement letter from the border post where you entered (ALWAYS keep a copy of those documents elsewhere). Think about the delays that involves.

-- You must make a report at the notario publico and get --- what? three? four? certified copies of it. nobody is quite sure. To certify a document, at least in Mexico City, you have to go to the municipal or city treasurer's office and stand in line for a few hours to pay about $1 a copy for the notarization.

-- Did you keep your pink slip or ownership document outside the stolen vehicle? God help you if you did not. I did, happily.

-- Once the insurance company pays you off (and mine, Atlas, did so in an honorable fashion), you must pay a tax on the car that was stolen from you.

-- The tax, based on the intriguing concept that by having your car stolen, you imported a vehicle, is paid to the Economy Secretariat. Roughly one in 10,000 employees of said secretariat have even a vague idea of what procedures might be followed. The tax was roughly 40 percent of the reimbursement I got from the insuror.

-- Unless you pay said fee and get various documents associated thereto, you will never again in your life be legally able to bring a car into Mexico, even for a day. Many of those documents mean standing in line at Tesoreria to pay a tiny fee for certification.

-- Now. You're done with Mexico. And your state back home is demanding documents from the insuror (which do not match those to which the folks back home are accustomted), the crime report (certified) and a tax fee (yes, they may tax you too)

There is a very, very, very good chance that it will cost me more to deal with all that than I got from the insurance company for my car.


mexigrl

Nov 29, 2003, 10:11 PM

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Re: [jerezano] Problems with Vehicle Permit and your advice on driving!

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Thanks for all the info - perhaps I was posting my last message at the same time as you posted yours. I have a Notarized Letter (see posting) that follows all the "technical" requirements for crossing. Whether that will work or not remains to be seen I guess ;)

I am traveling to SMA - sorry I wasn't more clear. In that case I think the route I am planning is the most direct.

Gracias,

Mexigrl


mexigrl

Nov 29, 2003, 10:14 PM

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Re: [Rolly] Problems with Vehicle Permit and your advice on driving!

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Rolly (and others)

I have already filled out the online paperwork and have received an ID number that is now tied to my passport number. It would seem best to give them that number and just tell them that the lessor is Honda - they will see that by my permission note. I had to enter all info including vehicle VIN and my passport number to do the online permit. Is there any reason this should not be acceptable? When I took the ferry last year (Yucatan Express) this was how we had to do it and all went well. Perhaps that was because the ferry people helped?

Thanks

Mexigrl


esperanza

Nov 30, 2003, 5:47 AM

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The problem will be dealing with changing Honda to your lessor. It sounds like a simple explanation and it may very well end up being that, but explaining why you put 'Avis' in the lessor slot and then getting the change taken care of will delay your process, maybe only a bit and maybe quite a lot. Is your Spanish good enough to cope with bureaucracy? I suspect that you'll need it.

On the other hand, it could be just a matter of a quick substitution of lessor names. I hope so and best of luck. Let us know what happens!




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SteveInPVR

Nov 30, 2003, 5:50 AM

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Mexigirl....Do you have Mexican Auto Insurance coverage? Neither U.S. or Canadian insurance coverge is valid in Mexico.

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mexigrl

Nov 30, 2003, 1:43 PM

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Yes Steve I do have Mexican Auto Insurance - Thanks

Mexigrl


Carol Schmidt


Nov 30, 2003, 10:18 PM

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Paying 40% tax on your insurance reimbursement for a stolen car?

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This is truly horrifying--and this is the first I have heard of this law or practice. Anybody else ever experience having to pay up to 40% of your insurance reimbursement for a stolen car in taxes?

My friend just had her car stolen and is awaiting insurance reimbursement, planning to buy a new Ford Ka with the check. If this is true, she's sure out of luck.

Carol Schmidt


shrimp281

Dec 2, 2003, 11:00 AM

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Not necessarily, she just could not bring in a car from the U.S. via the temporary vehicle importation system. Nothing would prevent here from buying and owning a car here.


jrice

Dec 16, 2003, 5:54 PM

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Re: [Carol Schmidt] Paying 40% tax on your insurance reimbursement for a stolen car?

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a ``Well, yes, it is horrifying. Though now, it seems, it is unclear exactly what we have to pay -- since it is so danged difficult to pay it.

The basic problem is that because the circumstance is relatively rare, nobody has figured out how to deal with it. And you run into contradictory requirements.

As the officials at the central Hacienda office who oversee this told me, when you claim the insurance, you are legally "importing" a car and must pay a tax on it since if your car does not leave the country with you. The version of the people who implement the law also contradicts the opinon expressed this month in "Know the Law in Mexico" on this site.

You have to pay the Secretaria de Economia. With certificate of that, you can cancel the permiso de importacion temporal and you're clear.

Now the attorney who was helping us deal with the issue called today and told us:

-- The tax (about 40 percent) they were going to charge us may have included a mistaken fine for keeping the car too long in Mexico because the officials did not understand the FM3 rule, which is unknown to most Mexican officials. Good!

-- But: To accept payment, they allegedly require a certificate of formal importation, not merely temporary. And my car was not a pre-94 vehicle eligible for such in theory. Thus, impossible.

-- It seems, so the attorney says, that we can easily deal with the issue by returning from Mexico City to Mexicali and paying the tax (apparently not a fine) there. What THAT will be I have no idea.

U.S. states also in effect sometimes charge you tax on stolen vehicles (perhaps considered a sort of income tax.)

good luck!
 
 
 
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