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Mexberry

Apr 5, 2011, 2:59 PM

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A couple with who I attend Spanish classes, have experienced some break-ins near their casa and are looking for ideas as to what they can use as personal protection.Are for example pepper spray, mace or even tazer stun guns permitted in Mexico ? If not then has anyone any suggestions?
Mexberry.



DavidHF

Apr 5, 2011, 3:52 PM

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Stun guns and similar devices are legal, tazers are not because they fire a projectile. Any hand held device is legal but I don't want to be that close to someone in order to use it. It's legal to own a gun for home protection, you don't have to be "up close and personal" to fire it.


playaboy

Apr 5, 2011, 5:55 PM

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I carry a can of wasp spray in the truck and have one at home. It shoots 20 feet and will blind an attacker. You can buy it at Wal-Mart. So far I have only used it on wasps and it kills them.


Poncho32

Apr 5, 2011, 7:40 PM

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Over the years I have always heard that the only way you could own a gun in Mexico is that you had to be citizen, has there been a change?
A lot of us own homes here but also a lot of us are not Mexican citizens.


Rolly


Apr 5, 2011, 7:50 PM

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You do not have to be a citizen to own a gun in México.
Read the details here: http://rollybrook.com/guns.htm

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T

Apr 6, 2011, 1:28 PM

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Pepper spray is legal and sold in Mexico, The most common brand is Cobra. Shoots about five feet, but is effective. Had to use it once about five years ago, for two guys that jumped my wall and wanted money. It sent them screaming and hurtling back over the wall. Never used it since, but do not leave home without it. About five bucks in many places lakeside. Wasp spray is difficult to find and I do not know for sure, but believe that it can cause pemanent blindness, plus where in the world do you carry wasp spray? When you can find it, that is a big container. The Cobra pepper spray is compact and is about the size of an asthma atomizer and can easily fit in anyone's purse or pocket. Wasp spray will not, and I have hear nothing conclusive as to the legality of spraying someone's eyes with it, possibly causing permanent blindness and a civil lawsuit for financial damages. Lots of talk on boards here about wasp spray, but never a first hand report from anyone that has used it and the outcome. Think it is urban legend Me, I am not into blinding anyone, unless it is just for 20 minutes, which the pepper spray does. Think I will check out snopes and see what they have to say. More soon. T


T

Apr 6, 2011, 1:35 PM

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Well, that was easy. Go to Snopes.com and type in Wasp Spray and read the first response. Covers wasp and pepper spray. T


stevebrtx

Apr 6, 2011, 2:44 PM

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I've been looking at TigerLight which is a light and spray, I'll probably pick one up next time I go NOB, looks like a handy thing to have by the front door before going to the gate to see who wants in.
www.chapalaweather.net


robt65

Apr 6, 2011, 4:34 PM

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Yeah . . . . . "that was easy" alright . . . . . . . That was a big waste of time. There was absolutely nothing on that blurb worthy of any decision by anyone except a "story" of what one person said to another person. Probably some small community NOB around the morning gathering place at some liars table as they had their morning fix of caffeine, solving the world’s problems! There was absolutely nothing there relating to liability of any Mexican law or case.

Robt65


Marlene


Apr 7, 2011, 10:46 AM

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While it's available for purchase, so not outlawed, per se, it's fairly widely known amongst locals that pepper spray can be considered a weapon in Mexico, and potentially cause problems with police. (Using it on your own property against intruders is likely not something the police would care about.)

Aside from the possibility it could be considered a weapon (and land you in hot water), you have to think about strong breezes, and the chance it could be used against you, if you are carrying it around in public.


(This post was edited by Marlene on Apr 7, 2011, 10:48 AM)


T

Apr 7, 2011, 2:12 PM

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Sorry, that was the best I could do. Why don't you give it a shot and get back to us? T.


T

Apr 7, 2011, 2:14 PM

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Marlene, if you or anyone else has a better suggestion, I for one would love to hear it. T.


Marlene


Apr 7, 2011, 2:41 PM

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A dog is a huge deterrent. Tried and true. Adopt a dog from the local shelter and everyone wins.


(This post was edited by Marlene on Apr 7, 2011, 2:43 PM)


robt65

Apr 7, 2011, 2:51 PM

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T

The point is not giving anything a "shot" just to hear yourself or see your printed response here. The point of these forums is to offer something either constructive or just sit in the bushes and listen and learn. If you have something really constructive pertaining to the matter at hand then, by all means . . . . . . speak up. Even if you are wrong but you believe you are (not "maybe") correct, speak up, and contribute by all means. If you are not correct about something after saying it, then unknot your panties and say “oops, I goofed, or hey “I was wrong”. No shame in that T. Hell I have been wrong several times on various things and I have said it. Man up or sit in the bushes and learn. You, sometimes have some really constructive sharing on here. Leave it at that. There is no shame in not knowing all about everything about Mexico when we are (in essence) newbie’s in this country. I guess when you cut to the chase we all have our own time line as to when we leave becoming a “newbie in Mexico” and when we are a senior. I have several years here, liked many, many years if you go back to the old high school and college days and add that time (months and months). Being realistic, I am a newbie as are many here. There are few, very, very few that I (personal opinion) consider really knowledgeable about living in Mexico. Many more have been here a long time, but have for one reason or another really spent a long time here (in knowledge and learning) and have contributed greatly and informatively here. We surly are not all the same and we surely all didn’t come here for the same reason. I guess what I am trying to say in my own clumsy way is to sit and listen. I contribute a lot, sometimes more than I ought to. I have learned more by reading and asking (especially by PM’ing the OP). Even the old guru’s on here are sometimes wrong. That’s OK. The difference is they all man up. They have a thirst (like many of us here, and probably you also) to learn all we can for our own reasons. This is really a great forum, in general, covering so many different subjects; better than any university courses on Mexico could ever hope to be. Ask questions, lots of questions, you’re probably asking a question that many others (unbeknown to you) also want some information about . . . . . . . but good solid information backed up by references. So continue posting and learning . . . . . . . I know that I do and I continue to learn . . . . . . Oh yeah . . . . . . . . I also continue to and probably still will make mistakes. This is a great site as I have said before, help s all continue to keep it great without bullying others. Please do not take this as a personal bash . . . . it was not given in that way. I look forward to more of your “better” postings . . . . . as I hope others look for more of mine in the same light. I have intentionally sent this as a public thread rather than a PM as I hope others (not just you and I) will also learn from both our previous mistakes. Those of us that are really interested in learning will continue to make mistakes, but we will also continue learn. Thanks for hearing me out.
robt65


T

Apr 7, 2011, 2:56 PM

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You are right and I have one. 80 lbs of lab/weimaraner. Solid black. Has a deep and loud bark. Rescue dog that I have had for six years. Got her from the Ranch. She is now nine. Whenever, I have new workers come in, and they see her, they steer clear. I tell them not to be afraid, as long as she is with me, she is fine. This is the truth. A few years ago, I was teasing with a friend and he was hitting me with a rolled up piece of newspaper and she ran over and grabbed his arm to make him stop. No injuries, but we were both surprised. For some reason, Mexicans, for the most part, do not like big black dogs. I now love big, black dogs. Poop is easy to see and clean up If you don't it is a trip and fall waiting to happen. Grin. T.


T

Apr 7, 2011, 3:12 PM

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Rob, I did take it personally. Just thought you were a sniper sitting on the sidelines, waiting to take a potshot. Glad that I learned that this is not true. Thanks for your response. I have no ability or knowledge of how to explore the very confusing and contradictory laws of Mexico on the issue of personal protection and what is legal and what is not. Even mentioned this issue to my attorneys a few months ago and they just gave me a blank stare. Best wishes, T.


T

Apr 7, 2011, 3:15 PM

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Mexberry, I want to apologize to you and anyone else who will be upset by this comment. But it is "devices", not devises. Sorry, but I had to do this, was driving me nuts. No harm intended. Wow, I feel better now. Thanks to all of you for letting me do this. T.


Reefhound


Apr 7, 2011, 4:44 PM

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In my observations, Mexicans are not all that much on researching the legalities of something they feel they need to do. If it's important to do, they just do it. If you feel unsafe in your home or walking the street, you do what you feel is needed to be safer. Don't find yourself one day lying on the ground getting beat to a pulp with a board because you didn't have your pepper spray or taser with you because you weren't sure they were legal.


robt65

Apr 7, 2011, 4:58 PM

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Hi Reefhound,

You hit it on the head. Just make sure they are in your home or on your property if you kill the intruders. AS for me I am putting in a solar powered electric wire topping to our wall! Just enough to knock a good size bull on his ass!

Pretty good and small night vision capable security cameras and monitors are available today for a very economical sum. Put one aimed at your gate and the monitor inside the house before you exit to find out . . . . . hello? . . . who is there? ! Have your cell phone in one hand and the wasp spray or other deterrence in the other . . . .. oh yeah and that big black dog by your side!!!!!!!!!!!!

robt65


(This post was edited by robt65 on Apr 7, 2011, 5:03 PM)


T

Apr 7, 2011, 5:00 PM

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Well, you said it a hell of a lot better than I could. I agree with you completely. When it comes to one's safety. laws be damned, just be proactive and protect yourself. Thanks, T.


playaboy

Apr 8, 2011, 6:46 AM

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Reefhound is correct in stating that you have to do what makes you feel safe.

In the USA, I carried a concealed weapon for over 25 years. I was trained and permitted. I never had to pull my pistol from my holster in all those years.


Remember, we are guests in Mexico and do not have the same rights as NOB. You do not want to be arrested for anything, there is no justice in mexico. Having in your possession a can of pepper spray or a stun gun although legal, is still being in possession of a weapon and a foreigner is frown upon by having any weapon. It can bring unwanted attention.


I travel around Mexico in a RV. I get stopped, inspected and searched all the time. It can be military, State police, Federales, or just the local cops. They all want to look in the RV. I don't think it would be wise for me to be carrying a gun, stun gun or pepper spray and having to explain to these kids why I have these weapons, legal or not.

I carry a number of things for protection that seem like ordinary household items. Wasp spray, machete, knives, a 4-D cell battery Mag flashlight, oven cleaner and a billy club. I have only been questioned about the machete and not often. All these items will offer a means of protection

I always am aware of my surroundings and try to think of different scenarios that might happen and think about how I would respond. I am not paranoid, I am just practicing and training myself. What ever you choose for personal protection, train yourself in its use and practice using it.

Spring is here, the wasp eggs are hatching and I want to go practice with my wasp spray.


panama john

Apr 8, 2011, 7:43 AM

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Rob; I wasn't aware that San Juan Del Rio was that dangerous. I spent some time there in January this year and it seemed guite calm to me. In fact we were looking at buying a lot in San Gil development. Maybe we should take another look at it.


robt65

Apr 8, 2011, 8:58 AM

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panama john,

PM sent to you.

robt65


Corliss


Apr 29, 2011, 9:12 PM

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ditto. way late on this reply but... I have 4 great protective dogs and would have it no other way!


dongringo_catemaco


Apr 29, 2011, 9:25 PM

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I wonder why no one mentions machetes, the favorite killing instrument in Mexico for hundreds of years.
I habitually carry one in my car and i have never been asked about it although often enough I had problems explaining the equivalent of a personal dagger.

Of course it is a little awkward to be carrying a 2 foot knife, but expect your local compatriots to be understanding.
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