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Uncle Jack


Dec 12, 2002, 6:15 AM

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Online banking in Mexico

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I've read most of the Q & A's over the last year about banking in Mexico. I understand the prevalent use of ATM cards for cash and have inquired at California Commercial bank about switching my main account there before moving to Mexico.

The question here is, can you use online banking in Mexico. I know that I can deal with U.S. bills online, I've been doing that for over fifteen years. Can you pay regularly occurring bills in Mexico online, like telephone, electricity, internet service, rent, etc.



Don


Dec 12, 2002, 10:59 AM

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Re: [Uncle Jack] Online banking in Mexico

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You also might check with Bank of America. I have been using them and my only charge is $2.00 everytime I use an ATM that is not theirs. I have been living here in Mexico for 4 years and have had no problems. I understand they just put in an offer to buy a minority stake in Grupo Financiero Santander Serfin. Grupo Financiero is Mexico's third largest bank. They are targeting the large Mexican and Mexican/American population in the U.S. How this will affect their banking procedures, I don't know. It might be worth checking out.


lin robinson

Dec 12, 2002, 12:02 PM

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Bof A the hot setup

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Yes, the website control with B of A is incredible and costs nothing. You can accept and pay by direct transfer, move money around to accounts and make payments. I wonder how I survived here before getting an account there. California works best.
And yes, BofA just bought 30% of Santander.
I would highly recommend expatriates here have BofA accounts is possible, or accounts from similar banks with online services. All you need is internet access.


chrisp54

Dec 12, 2002, 1:11 PM

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Interesting! I'm a 20yr member of Bank of America. Any ideas as to how the transfers from US dollar accounts to Mexican peso accounts will work? And at what costs?


dmx

Dec 12, 2002, 2:15 PM

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Re: [Uncle Jack] Online banking in Mexico

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Jack: You will not be able to pay many bills that ocur in Mexico online. Telmex website says you can do this, but I have never been able to get it to work. CFE will work but only with one bank. As for any other bills like rent: not likely. This is still a cash society. Of course it also depends where you live.


DavidG

Dec 12, 2002, 2:36 PM

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Re: [dmx] Online banking in Mexico

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I have been paying most all of my services online for several years.

Telmex is not any problem to pay online with Banamex.

The list of businesses that can be paid online numbers in the hundreds.

I use Banamex because their list of online payees is so extensive. However I also have an account with Bancomer and I think their list is just as complete.

The list below is just a sample of the cateogories of payees available at Banamex.

If you want to pay your rent...to an individual, well that could be done as well. You would just have to set up a recurring third party payment.

I didn't care to much for going all around town and standing in line every month to pay my bills, so I pay all of them online. So far I haven't had any problems.


DavidG
Villa Dos, Cozumel
"I still believe in ignorance as my best defense"


ET

Dec 12, 2002, 11:14 PM

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Lin Robinson writes:
....And yes, BofA just bought 30% of Santander....


25% (24.9%) and the past tense "bought" can't be used yet as the sale hasn't been approved by the Mexican banking authorities, who can veto the deal. It most likely will be approved as Grupo Financiero Santander Serfin already has foreign ownership by Spain's Santander Central Hispano, from whom BofA is making the purchase.

Rather than the proposed purchase being a particularly groundbreaking or clever move, it's more of a case of BofA trying to strengthen an area in which they've lagged behind the competition. Citigroup (Citibank) beat BofA into the Mexican banking market by more than a year, with their outright purchase of Grupo Financiero Banamex Accival (Banamex). With the regulatory approval and completion of their purchase of Golden State Bancorp last month, they can now offer a more credible threat to BofA in the Mexican-rich California consumer/personal banking market.

Meanwhile marketing-wise, of the major US banks, Wells Fargo has shown considerably greater savvy in courting the US Mexican community. They've made such clever and profitable marketing moves as being the first of the majors to offer a modern (online or ATM based, rather than having to schlep into a bank or storefront) Mexican remittance account, offer telephone banking services in Spanish, and to accept Matricula Consulars as identification to open an account. BofA's forays into the market, such as their SafeSend remittance account have been both slow in coming and merely competitive in pricing.


esperanza

Dec 13, 2002, 5:28 AM

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Every time I read Bank of America I think 'napalm'. Doesn't anybody remember the late 60s-early 70s Bank of America scandals during the Vietnam War? I can't get past their corporate moral bankruptcy to open an account there. For me, it's cleaner to bank elsewhere. The personal is the political; the simplest choices I make have repercussions, not only for my own integrity but for the integrity of the global community.




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Cliff and Alice

Dec 14, 2002, 8:21 AM

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Paying local bills in person can be a great deal of fun...and a learning experience youŽll treasure. YouŽll see a cross section of how the locals live that is available in no other venue. We...after three-plus years...wouldnŽt do it any other way. CCB/Banamex is a winning combination. Our experience with them has been flawless.


ET

Dec 14, 2002, 1:04 PM

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Every time I read Bank of America I think 'napalm'. Doesn't anybody remember the late 60s-early 70s Bank of America scandals during the Vietnam War? I can't get past their corporate moral bankruptcy to open an account there. For me, it's cleaner to bank elsewhere. The personal is the political; the simplest choices I make have repercussions, not only for my own integrity but for the integrity of the global community.


Actually I'm not familiar these scandals. Perhaps you can summarize them for me and others "in the dark", and tell us who you do think passes your "cleaner" banking test.

A lot of people seem to find a particular time period to settle into and use as their frame of reference to evaluate events and actions. The problem is this frame of reference doesn't necessarily exist for others, leading to (a) frustration on the part of the "settled" individual ("doesn't anybody remember [fill in the blank here]") and (b) anywhere from confusion ("huh?"), through varying degrees of exasperation, all the way to laughter and mocking of the individual (think "Disco Stu") on the part of others who come in contact with the person.

A few post 60's data points, which I'm interested in hearing how they impact (if at all) your opinion on Bank of America (BofA)include:

1. BofA, as it exists at present (2002-2003) isn't the same bank as in the 60's and 70's. In October of 1998, BofA merged with NationsBank out of North Carolina. At the time the merger was widely billed as "a joining of equals", adopting the well-recognized Bank of America name but merging the two banks operations and customer bases, which were similar in size and complimentary in scope. Within a few months it became apparent that this was not the case, with BofA senior management being eliminated one by one, including the CEO of BofA who at the time of the merger was designated as the heir apparent CEO for the merged bank, upon retirement of the NationsBank CEO. Since this time, the original BofA's various San Francisco corporate operations have been closed, sold off, or relocated to North Carolina, NationsBank's home and operating base. As it stands at present, BofA is an expanded NationsBank, operating under a "new" name. With this in mind, should the present BofA be held responsible for the sins of a now-defunct ancestor?

2. David Coulter, the former chairman and CEO of BofA who was forced to resign within three months of the BofA NationsBank merger, is believed by some (I'm not convinced) to be one of those responsible for the late 80's and 1990's reshaping of BofA into a more employee and community oriented "kinder, gentler" BofA. In the 90's BofA's track record for community lending was better than some of their major competitors (Wells Fargo as an example), and although they didn't offer domestic partner benefits until forced to do so by San Francisco ordinance, they were an early major corporate adopter of diversity policies and and current/social issues training. Once they've done "evil" can a company ever be redeemed?

3. Hugh McColl, scion of a southern banking family, started with a small regional bank and through an extremely aggressive (and by some measures questionable) series of buyouts and mergers with subsequent mass layoffs of staff and dumping of less profitable businesses lines and loans, built NationsBank to the size that it could propose a merger with BofA, to form the second largest bank in the US. The now-retired McColl, who used to keep a hand grenade on his desk, is quoted as once saying during negotiations with another bank (not BofA) ""We'll come in and take over your operations." When someone asked if he could have been more polite, McColl is reported to have replied "That was my polite offer." Rather than this degree of aggression being focused solely on business, McColl's staff is claimed to have always travelled with a coffee maker, after a scene in a hotel during the early phases of the NationsBank/BofA merger talks, when McColl publicly humiliated a hotel staffer for arriving late with his coffee. Are we focusing our distaste on the proper entity? Why are we worried about problems from the 60's and 70's, in comparison to recent doings?

4. Citigroup's stock prices collapsed this summer when investigations brought to light that Citigroup as well as J.P. Morgan/Chase had extensive involvement in Enron's financing schemes. Citigroup owns Banamex, the former Banco National de Mexico, which has at least part responsibility for the primitive state of banking in Mexico, as well as the distrust in Mexican banking institutions. Is Citigroup/Citibank/Banamex any less worthy of scorn than BofA?

- ET


jturpen

Dec 14, 2002, 6:58 PM

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Re: [ET] Thinking Napalm

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Edgar ...



You had me at

" A lot of people seem to find a particular time period to settle into and use as their frame of reference to evaluate events and actions. The problem is this frame of reference doesn't necessarily exist for others, leading to (a) frustration on the part of the "settled" individual ("doesn't anybody remember [fill in the blank here]") "

The remainder was verbose.



Joe


LJ

Dec 15, 2002, 8:16 AM

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Re: [Cliff and Alice] You might miss something if you are too automated!

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Kind of like hitting the post office in the US this week? Now there's an adventure I could live without!! Thank goodness for online shipping from the USPS.com!!

There's value to paying in person, agreed, but there are times when the idea of spending one more minute in line might just send you over the edge, ha ha. We shipped ONline yesterday, and spent our time saved standing IN line for santa!!


(This post was edited by LJ on Dec 15, 2002, 8:17 AM)


lin robinson

Dec 18, 2002, 11:04 AM

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Re: [chrisp54] Bof A the hot setup

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Easy, you take your money out of BofA using ATM machine or check...you get the best exchange rate this way. Then you deposit the pesos into a peso account. Probably a way bad idea. Dollars are better to have than pesos (one reason they're worth so many pesos) and much more stable.


lin robinson

Dec 18, 2002, 11:07 AM

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Yes, I remember very well people blowing up BofA's and ROTC's in the 60's, along with a lot of other crazy fads. I'm not sure what BofA had to do with napalm--I don't think they made it or used it, but suspect it was just a symbol because of the name. My guess is, you can pin any sort of social ill on anybody if you work hard enough. Send me all you stock holdings and political leanings and I'm sure we can see you as a one-person genocide with a little imagination.
To use this as a reason not to go with a good bank seems a little flakey to me.


lin robinson

Dec 18, 2002, 11:10 AM

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Re: [Cliff and Alice] You might miss something if you are too automated!

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Sorry, but I don't think flying to the States each month to go in a pay my storage bill or (WHAT??, walk into a Visa office and try too get them to take cash???) would be that rewarding. This sort of stuff allows us to live in Mexico and participate in money stuff in the US...if you were around Latin America before ATM, online banking, and email, perhaps you remember it less warmly.


Abq

Dec 18, 2002, 3:25 PM

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Re: [DavidG] Online banking in Mexico

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I would love to pay my Mexico bills online. I now have to pay a property manager whose main job is to get the bills paid. These links would be great but I couldn't get them to work. any suggestions?


DavidG

Dec 18, 2002, 9:21 PM

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I would love to pay my Mexico bills online. I now have to pay a property manager whose main job is to get the bills paid. These links would be great but I couldn't get them to work. any suggestions?



ABq,



Sorry, those aren't really live links. They just showed up as links because I pasted them from the online banking functions of Banamex. The first step is to open an account, for example with Banamex. Tell them you want access to Bancanet. They will assign you a password. Then you can access the online banking services. You might need to get someone at the bank to demonstrate some of the functions.
DavidG
Villa Dos, Cozumel
"I still believe in ignorance as my best defense"


ejuline

Dec 20, 2002, 9:15 AM

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Re: [Uncle Jack] Online banking in Mexico

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Here's the question.........if I'm employed by a Mexican company and paid in pesos into a Mexican bank account, what is the best way to get those funds to a dollar account in the US?


johnr

Dec 20, 2002, 10:07 PM

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Re: [Uncle Jack] Online banking in Mexico

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You can pay bills, etc., in Mexico on line through a Mexican bank, such as Banamex.

I would be wary of trying to do that though a U.S. account. I have an account with Citibank in New York. Free online banking. Citibank owns Banamex. But there are legal barriers that prevent me from transferring funds, for example, from one to the other without a bit of bureaucracy and fees.

While much on-line banking in the U.S. is done through electronic transfers, much also relies on electronically issued checks sent via snail mail. And that is exactly what you'd probably have if you tried to pay a Mexican bill with a U.S. account.

My advice on that: if you want to pay Mexican bills on line, open a Mexican account.
 
 
 
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