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charley49

May 15, 2010, 6:50 AM

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Hi All,

Just heard about a new law being passed mandating a 30% capitals gain tax when selling your residence? True?



Memo

May 15, 2010, 7:23 AM

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Can you be more specific where you got this info? As far as I know there has always been a 25% tax on the sale of a property that you are not living in. If you live in it, there is no tax.


sioux4noff

May 15, 2010, 8:34 AM

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Both of the previous posts are very gross generalizations!
There isn't, and never has been, and surely never will be, a black and white rule about capital gains tax. Consult a knowlegeable attorney or notario for a more educated and up-to-date opinion on your own situation.


MazDee

May 15, 2010, 9:05 AM

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There is a new law. Capital gains tax will now apply to FM3 holders as well as foreigners with tourist visas (but not FM2s). It is being discussed on Whatsupmaz.org and the Yahoo group Mazinfo. I don't own property so have not been following closely.


Marlene


May 15, 2010, 1:26 PM

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The new regulation appears to be pending.


(This post was edited by Marlene on May 15, 2010, 1:27 PM)


Memo

May 15, 2010, 1:34 PM

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Both of the previous posts are very gross generalizations!
There isn't, and never has been, and surely never will be, a black and white rule about capital gains tax. Consult a knowlegeable attorney or notario for a more educated and up-to-date opinion on your own situation.


Well of course. This is a bloody forum mate where people discuss their experiences, not where they give out actionable legal information. Anybody that assumes what is said on an Internet forum is absolutely true and should not be further investigated is a dolt.

Nevertheless, with your logic only doctors, lawyers, accountants, teachers, notarios, and travel agents should be posting here. Give me a break.

My experience, generally speaking, has been that if it is your primary residence you do not have to pay capital gains tax when you sell it. Take it or leave it, I don't give a shit.


sioux4noff

May 15, 2010, 3:20 PM

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You are entitled to your opinion, but I certainly said nothing which should have resulted in your very rude answer.

While that is your experience, the experiences here in the Puerto Vallarta area are that most if not all notarios have been requiring a person to have an FM2 to avoid the capital gains. You could have lived in the house and had an FM3 for 15 years, and they would not grant the captial gains exemption.
Therefore the proviso that nothing is, was, or will be black and white about the law.
So if one is giving this type of advice on a forum, it would be helpful as a minimum to say something like "I live in BFE and have an FMx. I lived full time in my house for x years, and when I sold it in 2010, using Notario #x, I didn't haved to pay capital gains tax, even though I made a gazillion pesos profit."
It is valid to hear of personal experiences like yours, a little more detail of course would be better. When, where, wahat circumstances?
I place almost no value on a post which begins something like "I heard there was a new law that..."


Memo

May 15, 2010, 3:31 PM

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You are entitled to your opinion, but I certainly said nothing which should have resulted in your very rude answer.

While that is your experience, the experiences here in the Puerto Vallarta area are that most if not all notarios have been requiring a person to have an FM2 to avoid the capital gains. You could have lived in the house and had an FM3 for 15 years, and they would not grant the captial gains exemption.
Therefore the proviso that nothing is, was, or will be black and white about the law.
So if one is giving this type of advice on a forum, it would be helpful as a minimum to say something like "I live in BFE and have an FMx. I lived full time in my house for x years, and when I sold it in 2010, using Notario #x, I didn't haved to pay capital gains tax, even though I made a gazillion pesos profit."
It is valid to hear of personal experiences like yours, a little more detail of course would be better. When, where, wahat circumstances?
I place almost no value on a post which begins something like "I heard there was a new law that..."


Fair enough. Point taken. My apologies for the short temper. Just a bit of fun, friend.

Your right, though. My comments were in relation to holders of FM2, inmigrados, or citizens.


(This post was edited by Memo on May 15, 2010, 3:33 PM)


ronincolima

May 15, 2010, 5:52 PM

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In the PV area were the homes owned in a Trust or direct deed? Is there a difference?




You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes
You might find
You'll get what you need. (Jagger, Richards)



Marlene


May 15, 2010, 7:51 PM

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Puerto Vallarta is on the ocean, so foreigners purchasing there require a Fideicomiso (Trust) when purchasing property. (Holding a trust would make no difference to capital gain assessments.)


charley49

May 16, 2010, 6:14 AM

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Wow!
i'll try never to begin a post with anything about "i heard". Thanks for the info. Have a wuuuunderful day.


YucaLandia


May 16, 2010, 8:12 AM

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Do the discussions on the other board include the relatively new requirements for qualifying for the tax exemption (since Feb. 2010)? (Capital Gains is a NOB term, so, it really is not a capital gains exemption since the Mex. Gob. considers the profit on any sale simply as income, so, I suspect what we are talking about is a homeowner's exemption for selling their primary residence?)

e.g. If we are talking about the exemption, to qualify for an exemption, the Claimant of the exemption (seller) must currently meet several requirements or pay what is effectively a 30% tax:
  • 5 years of comprabantes (CFE or JAPAY bills) in their name to qualify.
  • Mexico also has to be your “fiscal residence” & the “main center of your professional activities”, etc. for 5 years.
  • Claimant must also find a Notario who is willing to stick their neck out and certify these claims and certify the Claimant's official "residency", and
  • That Notario must certify all their related claims: including an informal but common Notario's requirement that the Claimant have 5 years of an FM2 and have either citizenship, inmigrado, or a pending application for such status.
The burden of proof for reducing or eliminating taxes on the income from property sales was raised so substantially in February, that a small bump from 28% base tax rate to 30% for some payers/sellers would seem minor, si? (And some situations already had a base rate of 30%, so, 30% rates already existed for some sellers.)

Also, the current Seller had to pay a 2% Acquisition Tax at the time that they bought the property - or they do not qualify for other reductions (like the 3% per year depreciation). Many NOB buyers have not paid the Acquisition Tax, though a few do, which makes comparing different Seller's situations tricky. Clear as mud?

  • e.g. Fred (a long-time ex-pat w/ FM2) sells his property after 5 years in Mazatlan and pay no taxes;
  • Jerry in Guanajuato (also a long-time ex-pat w/ FM2) sells his property after 5 years and pays 30% (because he didn't get the CFE bill in his name right away);
  • Harry sells his property in Villa Hermosa after 5 years also pays 30% because he didn't pay the 2% Acquisition Tax;
  • Jeff sells his property in Monterey after 5 years and pays 25% because he got facturas for all his improvements and reduced his basis by 5%;
  • Sue (on an FMT) sells her property in Merida after one year and pays 27% due to the 3% annual depreciation.
And none of these examples include the added UDI tax status on properties worth more than about $500,000 US ($1,500,000 peso). So, if you get direct reports from ex-pat sellers across Mexico, what is the official Capital Gains Tax rate on property sales? It depends on many factors, so, single point observations are interesting, but need full disclosure of many details to fully identify their filing situation. Facturas vs. Recebos. Luxury Homes vs. Normal Houses. Acquisition Tax paid vs not paid. Length of ownership. Residency Status of the Seller. Liberal Notary vs Conservative Notary. Property held privately or in the name of the Seller's corporation.

Said another way, does this thread / question include any "news" ?
I'm not challenging things, just trying to understand what we're talking about. We've got some of these items described (with legal references from lawyers & Notaries) in an article http://yucalandia.wordpress.com/...-mexican-properties/ , and I'd like to keep the information updated/current if something has changed and updated as things change.
Thanks,
steve
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on May 16, 2010, 8:32 AM)


Marlene


May 16, 2010, 9:36 AM

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Thank you for posting this. I think it will be very helpful to many people.
 
 
 
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