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RickS

Dec 30, 2011, 10:50 AM

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La Isla


Dec 30, 2011, 2:40 PM

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Why this obsession with murder and mayhem at the end of a very weary year?


Brian

Dec 30, 2011, 4:41 PM

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Why this obsession with murder and mayhem at the end of a very weary year?


Because this forum deals with current events in Mexico. Whereas in the USA unemployment and the economy are the main concerns, in Mexico personal safety is the overwhelming consideration of the residents throughout the country. Coincidentally, I just read this article on this very topic. I think it answers your question.

http://www.afntijuana.info/...blema_de_todo_mexico


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(This post was edited by Rolly on Dec 30, 2011, 4:51 PM)


RickS

Dec 30, 2011, 4:50 PM

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"Why this obsession...."

La Isla, if you mean the Press, it's always been that way. If you mean me, it was actually a 'tongue in cheek' juxtaposition post to counter all the 'murders in Mexico' theme.

YMMV


La Isla


Dec 30, 2011, 5:26 PM

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Why this obsession with murder and mayhem at the end of a very weary year?


Because this forum deals with current events in Mexico. Whereas in the USA unemployment and the economy are the main concerns, in Mexico personal safety is the overwhelming consideration of the residents throughout the country.

Speak for yourself, Brian. It's not my overwhelming concern.


La Isla


Dec 30, 2011, 5:27 PM

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"Why this obsession...."

La Isla, if you mean the Press, it's always been that way. If you mean me, it was actually a 'tongue in cheek' juxtaposition post to counter all the 'murders in Mexico' theme.

YMMV


I was thinking mostly of certain Mexconnect posters rather than the Press. I think a little "tongue in cheek" posting is a great idea!


Brian

Dec 30, 2011, 5:39 PM

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Speak for yourself, Brian. It's not my overwhelming concern.


Did you read the results of the survey? The citizens of Mexico were the respondents. It seems as though the foreign residents lead a parallel and unequal existence in the country. How else to explain why you feel so secure of your personal safety while the majority of Mexicans do not?


La Isla


Dec 30, 2011, 5:42 PM

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I didn't read the survey. Maybe tomorrow I´ll ask my Mexicans friends here if their personal safety is their chief concern. Or maybe not . . .


richmx2


Dec 30, 2011, 6:16 PM

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I question your sense of "humor" (you aren't British by chance, are you? It would explain it), but murder and violence seems to be on the rise all over the region since the U.S. started exporting their "drug war" this direction. Honduras has a murder rate of 81.5 per 100,000 which dwarfs the alarming rise in Mexico ever since the present administration came into office.


http://mexfiles.net
http://voiceofmexico.com
http://editorialmazatlan.com


Axixic


Dec 31, 2011, 4:45 AM

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I think most of us got it, that you were being ironic.


cindym

Dec 31, 2011, 8:11 AM

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I am wondering why so many posters are defensive about the subject of crime in Mexico. Crime in Mexico is a common subject on all news reports, the current drug cartel war being fought in Mexico is of concern to many people living in Mexico and traveling to Mexico. I see threads where people post honest questions or concerns only to be lambasted for such thought.

Why not honestly state the current situation based on where each respondent lives in Mexico, just as the USA or Canada, the risk of crime differs. It is tiresome to see the repetitious reply "I feel safer here than I do in the USA, it may be true for one individual but this will vary depending where one lives in the USA and where one lives in Mexico.

It is a simple fact that drug cartels are at war in Mexico, why not address the issue with understanding why the question is asked, explaining how to visit or live in Mexico with ordinary caution concerning crime.


RickS

Dec 31, 2011, 10:31 AM

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Well since you asked, let me take a shot at my view..... warning: an admittedly too-long post. Read at your own risk!

I live 3/4 of the year NOB. The other quarter is generally spent in Mexico somewhere… presently in San Miguel for a couple of months. I drive down and usually drive within Mexico quite a bit in the months I'm here. I like it here (Mexico). I also like it NOB!

As a visitor to Mexico since about 1995, I have seen it through several stages. The current stage has some problems to say the least. But in my view.... and this is after spending a great deal of time throughout the year paying attention to what is actually going on, I believe Mexico is not an unsafe place to visit. Let me say that again..... Mexico is NOT an unsafe place to visit. People I respect have a different view of this.

Do I mean every nook and cranny of Mexico? Of course not. There is no denying that there is much lawlessness in the country…. on a scale that is basically not matched anywhere in this hemisphere. A number of people on the forums don't like to see 'comparisons' given when discussing crime SOB. But I think that comparing is how we relate to a given situation. When I'm SOB I often have to think when I see a price on something (naturally) in pesos.... compare it if you will with the dollar cost to me NOB. It gives me a baseline from which I make decisions. The same is true with the safety issue.

One big problem I have is with/how the press reports (generally bad) news in Mexico. But I shouldn't really be surprised because a very large percentage of the news we get from our Press dwells on the negative. It's been that way seemingly forever. It sells. Another problem with most news we get is that it is in the 'sound byte' format.... hit the highlights, most of the time with a shocking lead, and then go soft on much of any substance. Report and run. This approach often gives a very distorted view of the reality of the event. I combat this, both NOB and SOB, with searching out the 'rest of the story' on topics that interest me. Mexico interests me so I always try to find out what really happened or what the real circumstance were in the sound-byte story.

But I'm pretty sure that many people just listen/see the sound-byte story and take that for the gospel and it becomes their reality. But often that reality is not reality at all... it's a slanted version of the story wherein very important (in my eyes) facts are missed. If that happens on a forum, I often try to post 'the rest of the story'. I'm sure that this is sometimes taken as 'denying the tragedy' or 'rebutting' the Post. That is not my intention unless the Post is blatantly misleading or the Poster is always harping on the negative in my view. "His" biased view then gets my (probably) biased counter-view. Sorry.

Why don’t people help? They often do. I do it a lot it seems. Just yesterday a guy on another forum asked for help driving out of San Miguel some other way than thru Laredo, then heading to west Texas. I responded with a route (Hwy 57 to Piedras Negras) that I have taken several times and is ‘easy’ from SMA. I mentioned that there were others but they kept one driving in Mexico much more (which I consider a negative if I can travel similar miles on US roads as an alternative). When he heard that the 57 route took him through Monclova he had a bad reaction….. wanted to hear more about the ‘long way’ through Zacatecas, Torreon and Chihuahua. Why? He had (old) information that Monclova was a ‘wasteland’…. Bad cops demanding mordida and cartel shootouts. I explained that the bad cops were not actually in Monclova but on a bypass that he should not even take; and that while there was some unrest in Monclova many months ago, it had been very quiet for a long time and really was a quite nice town. I’ve driven through 3 times in the last 15 months and stayed overnight there once; had a nice Burger King there 3 weeks ago. A fellow Mexconnect Poster whose opinions I respect deems Monclova and that part of Coahuila State as safe an area as there is on the border (and he is there for the Holidays!). Yet this other guy was willing to drive many more miles in Mexico, taking him through some places that have had more serious cartel situations than Monclova in the past, and end up paying more tolls to boot rather than driving through Monclova “because he had heard about the bad cops”. Listening to a sound-byte rather looking for the rest of the story.
As always, YMMV


BluChunx

Jan 15, 2012, 8:54 PM

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I've been tempted to do something like that. But as far as public opinion goes, I know that a survey in Baja California found "inseguridad" to be the number one concern. And there is the idea that some PRI candidates will position themselves as an alternative to Calderone's drug war (or Uncle Sam's). At least the rate of increase of cartel drug violence has dramatically slowed--but that means it continued to increase last year, except in certain regions.


Altahabana


Jan 16, 2012, 10:26 AM

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Shout out to Monclova!!!! Highway 57 is a good alternative route to the border from the Lakeside and SMA ex-pat communities. Monclova is a easy town to navigate through and a good place to eat or overnight. There are some good local restaurants right on Pape that are worth trying. I would recommend:

Los Corrales
Blvd. Pape No. 600
Carnes nortenos

Tacos Vitali
Blvd. Pape No. 405
Tacos de bisteck, trompo,
gringas, campechanas.

El Campanario
Blvd. Pape No. 1615
Comida Mexicana y Internacional
Best restaurant in town--IMO


RickS

Jan 16, 2012, 10:30 AM

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..... and if you are head'n out of Mexico after a long stay and are 'jonesing' for an NOB burger, there is also a Burger King right on Blvd. Pape! Just saying....
 
 
 
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