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gpkgto

Oct 12, 2009, 11:27 AM

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Pres. Calderon's closing of Luz y Fuerza is the biggest thing since the Mexican revolution. Maybe the other corrupt unions will be next.

joaquinx

Oct 12, 2009, 11:59 AM

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"Turn out the lights, the party's over."

Manuel Dexterity

Oct 12, 2009, 12:14 PM

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For starters, it doesn't even compare to Carlos Salinas busting Joaquín Hernández Galicia aka "la Quina", who headed the oil workers union.. And although it seemed earth shattering at the time, not much has really changed.

< RichTx1 is scurrying off to Googlelandia and will reporting back soon with his "scoop">

(This post was edited by Manuel Dexterity on Oct 12, 2009, 12:18 PM)

gpkgto

Oct 12, 2009, 12:34 PM

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Obviously it remains to be seem what happens. Salinas just wanted to control everything himself.

Manuel Dexterity

Oct 12, 2009, 1:12 PM

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Obviously it remains to be seem what happens. Salinas just wanted to control everything himself.

Is that what it was?

What is going to change? The people that were serviced by LFC will still get their electricity. Either the CFE or some new government run company will supply it. If it is a new company then the people at the top will soon establish the new hierarchy and a few will get rich.

gpkgto

Oct 12, 2009, 1:37 PM

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Have you been following this in the Mexican newspapers?

Manuel Dexterity

Oct 12, 2009, 2:00 PM

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Have you been following this in the Mexican newspapers?

Why?

richmx2

Oct 12, 2009, 2:16 PM

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Without even "scurrying around the internet"... I don't recall Calderón giving "union corruption" as a rationale for his action in his speech last night. Or really making much mention of the union at all. The reasons given for the forced merger had to do with mismanagement and cost containment.

But, it is hard to pretend this wasn't a strike against unions, though it seems more aimed at those that are independent, than any real concern with "corruption".

http://voiceofmexico.com

arbon

Oct 12, 2009, 2:35 PM

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I am hoping to learn about the Mexican idea of "Efficiency" and how to obtain it, or improve it.

While creating long lasting jobs for those Mexicans that have "worked hard" to get an education.
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mcm

Oct 14, 2009, 5:05 PM

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I think that the link with "union corruption" and the closing of L&F comes from the "coincidence" of the takeover following the federal government's refusal to recognize the reelection of of the union President -- after fairly substantiated (depending on your point of view) accusations of election fraud.
Because the union is closely allied with AMLO, it can be seen as "purely political" -- but the bottom line is that L&F is deep in the red, the number of employees is apparently very high for the work done, and not many people who rely on L&F for power seem to be rushing to protest.
The question of whether the federal government "goes after" other unions -- SNTE and the oil workers union in particular -- has been raised by many political columnists.
it's going to be interesting to watch....

Mexfiles is one source of information -- but it has a very specific (and predictable) point of view. I recommend anyone interested in this issue read a variety of national papers and columnists.

richmx2

Oct 14, 2009, 6:34 PM

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Thank you for the "plug". Certainly, I recommend reading a variety of national news sources, but since the Mex Files' overwhelming readership is outside Mexico (The United States, Germany, Brazil and Canada have more regular readers than Mexico), the site always has been focused on those who depend on the spotty coverage offered by corporate media and travel sites.

http://voiceofmexico.com

Merry Born

Oct 20, 2009, 8:34 AM

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I have an apartment in DF and another home in another part of Mexico. The DF power comes via Luz y Fuerza. It´s a mess. The offices are not computerized. You cannot change your account anywhere other than the specific office where your fat paper file is kept. The lines are long. The electric commision, however, that provides power in other parts of Mexico is very modern, computerized and convenient.

Getting rid of Luz y Fuerza is a great thing. Another reason I am glad I voted for Calderón.

gpkgto

Oct 20, 2009, 10:48 AM

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It is always useful to hear from someone with actual experience. I only know what I read in the papers regarding L&F, but now I know Calderon did the right thing. Unfortunately, I do not think the unions in Mexico really help the average worker.

richmx2

Oct 20, 2009, 11:16 AM

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I don't doubt your experience, Merry Born, but I never faced a line more than two or three people at the local office in Santa Maria de la Ribera when I lived there, and the bill certainly looked computer generated to me.

http://voiceofmexico.com

Papirex

Oct 20, 2009, 2:44 PM

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I haven't talked to many people here in Cuernavaca about the change, but the few I have spoken to are not unhappy. Like me, most of them think nothing, absolutely nothing, can be worse than L y F.

One small concern I have is that my electric bill usually arrives on the 19th or the 20th of every even numbered month and the due date to pay it is usually on the 23rd. Our bill hasn't arrived yet and today is the 20th, and there may not be anyone processing them now. CFE is infamous for cutting off electric service the minute it is overdue and they have no sense of humor, or patience with logical explanations for paying a day late. If you are late paying, it is always your fault, and you will be charged a reconnection fee.

In an effort to avoid any problems, I went to the L y F website http://www.lfc.gob.mx/ to see if it was still active today. It is still there, but it has been changed to give the governments' side of the story, explanations on what the former employees of the now “extinct” L y F need to do to get paid, public comments, etc; I do wonder if the comments are really from the public, or just government propaganda.

I am still happy about the change even if another federally owned electric company is formed. We will probably never see the end of corruption here in our lifetimes, but probably a possible new electric utility will learn something from the fate of L y F.

Rex

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