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gpkisner

Nov 4, 2009, 10:41 AM

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Mexican states from which the most people migrate to the US

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s Mexican states from which the most people migrate to the US (from yeaterday's Reforma newspaper)

(percentages are of all the Mexicans that migrated to the US in the stated year):
In 2008:
Chiapas-14.2%
Guanajuato- 8.6%
Oaxaca- 7.2%
Sonora- 6.9%
Michoacan- 6.5%

But in the year 2000:
Chiapas- 0.8%
Guanajuato- 9.2%
Oaxaca- 2.7%
Sonora- 12.5%
Michoacan- 13.9%

I guess times are getting tougher in Chiapas and staying tough in the other states.

Zarcero

Nov 4, 2009, 12:16 PM

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I predict this thread is headed for "locking" <wink>.

carlw

Nov 4, 2009, 1:44 PM

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2 years ago, it was estimated from various sources that there were residing in North Texas 600,000 persons from Guanjuato state. The majority of Mexican born people in my neighborhood are from Guanajuato. Most of the rest seem to be from Mexico City.

db52

Nov 4, 2009, 4:59 PM

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That sounds quite possible, given the population of Guanajuato state is about six million.

Zorba

Nov 5, 2009, 12:01 AM

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I'm not surprised Chiapas is number one. I suppose Chiapas has a lot going to the U.S. because the human smuggling of Central Americans is well established in their area. It is easy for them
to join the crowd. It is one of the poorer states. Im not sure it is the poorest though.
Isn't that Oaxaca? I thought Oaxaca was perhaps the poorest. Nevertheless, they are both poor. Chiapanecos
certainly should not be though. Chiapas has way more resources and potential than most Mexican states. It
is totally unnecessary and, quite frankly, criminal that Chiapas is poor. This is a huge travesty of justice on the part
of the Mexican government. Chiapas could be rich on tourism alone if they got their shit together. Nevermind their
forests, electricity, agriculture, fishing, mining industries. Somebody certainly is getting very rich.

I have a friend with a ranch in Chiapas and he says it is very difficult to find workers. They are all going to the U.S.
You can get some Guatemalan workers, but they too eventually leave for the American dream. Add on to that, some sort of government subsidies that encourage the poor to have more children and not work their plots of land. He claims they would rather just collect the subsidies, rent out their land and then not have to do any work. Not that you can blame them. It doesn't promote growth or wealth, however.

I just cannot believe Chiapas is a poor state. It boggles my mind. Having said that, according to Wikipedia the city of Tapachula has one the highest GDP in all of Mexico.

Hound Dog

Nov 5, 2009, 8:42 AM

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I checked it as Marcos, sub O kept going on how rich the State of Chiapas was in resources, it is the poorest in the Union. I cannot remember but I think Oaxaca is next and then Guerrero but I am not 100% sure on that one.

The fact that many people from Central American go through Chiapas on their way to the US has nothing to do with the immigration up north. Many of the illegals go via the train that used to leave from Tapachula and is now leaving from Arriega as the line to Tapachula has not been fixed after the disaster from a couple of years ago. The illegals from Central America are killed routinely in Chiapas by the locals , get kidnapped for ransom, robbed by the locals and cops and so on. What is going on down there is a disgrace .

The Mexicans can travel to the border without having to ride the top of the freight trains. In San Cristobal we have chicken buses leaving for the border at very cheap prices direct to Tijuana... Many of the Central Valley farms in California employ Chiapanecos and people from Oaxaca.

The oportunities for good jobs are low, forcing many people to leave the area. I know a fabulous iron worker who went to the States to make extra money to fix some antique car he had. This young man received many prizes for his work but went to the States to get extra money as a sheet rock worker. He could not work in his own field as he did not have papers and could not join the union! He is one of the most talented in his field and still looked at the US to make exta money..He is now back, has a fancy car and works in his family iron shop..

You can hear many of the indigenous speaking of going to the States as if they were going on a hike.. " I am going to make money for a couple of months" to get extra money for Christmas and so on.

Many indigenous go North to support the family and send the money back on a regular basis. Many days in San Cristobal you cannot get to a teller if you do not have an account in the bank, the lines are 3 blocks long starting at 7.30 am. All indigenous people going to collect aid from the State and Federal Government or remittances from the US.

Many locals will tell you that it is difficult to find workers that are motivated and trustworthy (they get paid nothing) but there is no lack of people ready to leave for the States work, showing that if the money is good enough the people will go to work and work very hard in the Central Valley farms of California and other such places
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There is no lack of workers in Chiapas if you pay them a decent wage but the going rates are very low and many people would rather leave than work for very little. They choose to work 3 or 4 months a year rather than all year round. Who can blame them?

(This post was edited by Hound Dog on Nov 5, 2009, 10:17 AM)

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Nov 5, 2009, 9:01 AM

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You may be interested in this paragraph from a forthcoming book, due to be published January 1, 2010:

"Mexicans in the USA are increasingly coming from states outside western and northern Mexico. Several states have experienced enormous growth since 1990. Tlaxcala, Hidalgo and Veracruz had more than six-fold increase between 1990 and 2005; Chiapas was not far behind. Near fourfold increases were experienced by Puebla, Oaxaca, and Guerrero, while the number from the states of Mexico, Morelos and Tabasco more than tripled. These ten central and southern states represented 12% of Mexican-born US residents in 1990; but by 2005, this had doubled to 24%. They accounted for almost 35% of net migration and received 40% of all remittances in 2005. The remittances helped considerably since many of these states are among Mexico's poorest. Migration to the USA and dependence on remittance is becoming a way of life for more and more Mexicans in the central and southern parts of the country." [Extract from "Geo-Mexico: the geography and dynamics of modern Mexico" by Richard Rhoda and Tony Burton. All rights reserved.]

The attached jpg map shows where most Mexican migrants to the USA have come from (for the period up to 2005) as a percentage of that state's 2005 population.

Tony

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gpkisner

Nov 5, 2009, 9:06 AM

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The book sounds great--I'll be sure to buy it!