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TomG

Aug 1, 2004, 10:36 AM

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This is worth posting the whole article, since I didn't know what to cut.

Interestly, while Uncle Jack is getting penal enlargement junk mail, my major form of junk mail up here has switched to cheap drug offers over the internet. The English context in the offers is sometimes garbled a bit.

There is just too much money in drugs not be an target crime area.

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS WASHINGTON - Several Americans buying medication in Mexico have come back with counterfeit versions of the cholesterol drug Zocor and a generic painkiller, the Food and Drug Administration warned Friday.

The fake Zocor didn't contain any of the actual cholesterol-lowering ingredient, and the counterfeit carisoprodol was far less potent than real versions of the painkiller, FDA said.

The agency warned that patients who use the counterfeit Zocor face serious health risks from their untreated cholesterol, and that those taking the fake painkiller will get insufficient relief.

The FDA advised anyone who may have recently purchased the fakes, sold at Mexican border-town pharmacies, to contact their doctor and their nearest FDA office, which can be found at the agency's Web site, http://www.fda.gov.

The fakes were sold as: Zocor 40/mg, lot number K9784, expiration date November 2004; and Carisoprodol 350/mg, lot number 68348A.

FDA said it was working with Mexican officials to halt the counterfeit sales, but spokeswoman Laura Alvey couldn't say if border officials have been told to attempt to stop imports.

Counterfeit drugs are a growing problem. While they sometimes sneak into U.S. drugstores, the FDA has long said that medicine sold from abroad and/or over the Internet is more likely to be fraudulent. Sales of foreign and Internet-shipped drugs are increasing as Americans search for cheaper medications.



Georgia


Aug 1, 2004, 11:45 AM

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Re: [TomG] Not sure the problem is just Mexican, but..

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A different article I read on the same story said that there were two examples of drugs being sold in border towns in which one was a counterfeit and one was not the full dose. Hardly earthshaking.

The article head in both cases reads like an indictment against ever buying any drugs from Mexico because they are not "safe." Gee, I wonder what special interests would want that story circulated?

Yes, the drug business is big business .... the prescription drug business and pharmaceutical companies do profit tremendously in the US.


TomG

Aug 1, 2004, 5:58 PM

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Re: [Georgia] Not sure the problem is just Mexican, but..

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My wife used locally purchased Serivent in Oaxaca (a different situation than a border town high volume place) in the last two months and felt that she was not getting the same effect as with the stuff from inside the USA. For sure her O2 was down 3-4% during this time. All this is hardly scientific proof of anything. The Serivent was name brand and in the company box, albeit a smaller number of doses per canister. There are enough variables in her circumstances to make her observations tenuous.

What do I think? You didn't ask, the FDA didn't ask, the drug companies didn't ask; but....
  • The drug companies need the outrageous prices to pay for R&D (and bribettes to the doctors on cruises, etc).
  • They most probably are piggybacking a lot of their much tooted R&D on federal government funded university research projects, hiring professors away from such projects (most surely graduate students), and it may be that some professors are involved in some of the companies in some capacities. I am suggesting that the federal government is supporting a lot of the R&D in the background, and then posturing as the inefficient big government fall guy.
  • I don't think the drug companies are play a straight game; but whatever the game they play, they depend on predictable quality in their markets in order to justify being allowed to continue playing the the game by the rules they prefer to insure their profit expectations.
  • Others would like to play the game, but can't get in - like drug producers in India. Some of these are quite good (Oxford & Cambridge trained PhD's). They have factories that subcontract to the American players to produce generics for the American market. They are inspected and meet the required standards. They can and do chemically deconstruct pricey new stuff and produce it. They can put those reconstructions on the world's street for 10% of the USA retail price. The copyright issues here are not my interest for this conversation.
  • The margins and potential margins involved in the medical drug business are enough to be competitive with the illegal trafficking in cocaine and heroine, money counterfeiting, and human trafficking, I would guess.
  • My wife says that there are warning out in the USA for people to deface drug bottles and containers in order to make counterfeiting less easy by cutting the supply of original containers.
  • Given the amount of human energy that goes into organized crime, and with the profits in the drug area looking very attractive, I think counterfeiting is likely. The profits are potentially high, the product is light and compact, and the risk is way below anything in standard criminal areas. You just need more a more polished labor force (criminal).
  • Remember the guy with the Master's Degree in Chemical Engineering in Jalapa who is selling pirated music CD's? Only a strong internal moral compass and lack of the entry opportunity is preventing him from being in this line of work.
  • The 3rd world has some hard realities.
  • Having compromised health puts one on the wrong end of the stick. This is not a good time to be weak.
  • It's better to be strong!



smokesilver

Aug 1, 2004, 6:40 PM

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I have been told by a person that I know very well & who is in the drug business that all Viagra, 100%, is made in India.


TomG

Aug 1, 2004, 7:09 PM

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We can anticipate that a lot of pharmaceutical, biotechnical, and other more mechanical R&D is going to take place in India and China in the coming few years.

The number of patents has been climbing rapidly in the Far East while it is falling off in the USA. We dominated from the days of water-powered machine shops with hand-filed precision in Connecticut until a few years ago. Patents are a form of intellectual capital that just keep drawing money into a place.

Things like this are tilting the globe in a new direction. I expect that the change I’ve know over my lifetime is minor compared to what I will see in the next 20 years. I only wish that Mexico, as a neighbor, had prepared the social infrastructure to be a player.


alex .

Aug 4, 2004, 7:18 AM

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Not exactly on topic, but I was on the bus Friday chatting with a lady who works the pharmacy at Comercial Mexicana. Its interesting how well prepared they are to perform their job. They see so many runny nosed kids with fevers and adults with various symptoms that they have a pretty darn good idea whats wrong. You mave have seen the big, thick reference books they have on the counter that they use to confirm their intuition. The lady told me of the course work that the company pays for : courses on cross referencing medications, proper dosages and frequency of administration , and some business aspects of the job. I asked about the competition in the industry, she cited 5 other pharmacies in the very plaza where she works. Her advantage is that she can sell ten, a dozen, even a case of medicine at a time where the competitors have few samples of each . She likes to recommend the Generics as they are about half the price, identical formula, and she gets a commision on those. Amazing what one can learn on the bus.
Alex


Carron

Aug 4, 2004, 12:55 PM

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Gosh! And I always thought a sidebar was just a dark little hole in the wall where the guys slip off to have a few drinks out of the presence of the senoras. Oh, that's a cantina? I learn something important everyday in Mexico.


alex .

Aug 4, 2004, 1:33 PM

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I dunno, I didn't consult a dictionary first. I was thinking of a newspaper. You know, alongside all the regular news, at the margin there is somtimes a little story added in there.
Alex


julietl


Aug 5, 2004, 1:07 PM

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We always called it a dive bar.

....and the darker the better. It could be 9am or 9pm, rain or shine, Monday morning or Friday night - you'll never know because it always looks the same inside!

That's good news about the people who work in the farmacias, Alex. I was always kind of worried that I was trusting my aliments to someone who had no clue. I am going to Commercial Mexicana from now on.
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