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Morgan

Aug 7, 2004, 5:09 AM

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Manzanillo vs Lakeside

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I recently posted a request for guidance on vehicles and also for views, opinions, comments comparing living in the Lake Chapala / Ajijic area with living in Manzanillo. I received a reply from Texwheel, thank you, directing me to previous posts on both subjects. While I did find lots of help on the vehicle question I could not find any posts that addressed actually living in Manzanillo and non stating a preference of one over the other and why.
I have followed the "cesspool" thread and noted another posting using the term "dump" to describe Ajijic but presumed this was overheated rhetoric because, although there seems to be a significant trash problem, these comments are followed by very positive ones about living there.
If anyone has experience living in these two locations I would really appreciate hearing your comments.
Thank you
Morgan



Don


Aug 7, 2004, 6:47 AM

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Re: [Morgan] Manzanillo vs Lakeside

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Morgan:

I don't live at Lakeside or Manzanillo. I live about 1 1/2 hours south of Lakeside and about 2 1/2 hours north of Manzanillo. The only comment I can make is about the weather. We just returned from spending several days in Manzanillo. Weather was in the high 90's and low 100's. Humidity was very high. Without airconditioning, sleeping would have been difficult. Lakeside weather is very similar to my town, which I think is excellent. The town I find very nice is Colima, Colima. Although it can get hot it is a pretty, clean town.
As far as cars, we came down with a Plymouth mini van and a Ford Escort. Have had no problems with servicing, repairs or driving.


Marlene


Aug 7, 2004, 11:24 AM

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Re: [Morgan] Manzanillo vs Lakeside

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It would be kind of like night and day, not only weather but just in the overall atmosphere. I live in Mazatlān but can't imagine living in Lake Chapala or Guanajuato. I liked Guadalajara very much, but nearly froze last November when we traveled around that area for a mini-vacation. I can only imagine how chilly I would find December and January, since I am acclimated to the coast now and love being alongside the ocean (hurricane threats and all!)

The best advice I have seen given to similar inquiries is to travel to your targeted areas, walk around, talk to people, read the newspaper classifieds for a feel of the rentals and real estate prices. No one else can really tell you where you would feel comfortable. You will know when you experience it personally.


Judy in Ags


Aug 9, 2004, 7:06 PM

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Re: [Don] Manzanillo vs Lakeside

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One thing I didn't like about Manzanillo was the blackish sand and it seemed that the same color of dust covered most everything there.


Esteban

Aug 10, 2004, 11:12 AM

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After hearing stories from ex-lakeside folks who moved to Mazatlan, Ajijic/Chapala are more like a gringo assisted living/old folks home compared to Manzanillo or the rest of Mexico. Like Don said, you should look at Colima. It's a nice clean town with a super highway to Manzanillo and the beach.


Uncle Donnie

Aug 16, 2004, 9:24 PM

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Re: [Esteban] Manzanillo vs Lakeside

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Try this experiment---send an e-mail query to each of these organizations:

LCS in Ajijic at questions@lakechapalasociety.org
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HELP! in Manzanillo at HELP!@bay.net.mx

and use the two responses as a partial guide to future decision making. Then visit both areas. And try to avoid buying a house within 72 hours of arrival. My new neighbors are still awaiting delivery of their furniture and have already discovered that the little gem they recently purchased (within 48 hours of arrival from N. California) is totally unsuited to their lifestyle needs.

On a personal note---I've lived in several places in Mexico and the Lake Chapala area is an excellent choice if you're into the arts and crafts scene, community theater, heavy afternoon boozing, hanging out at the coffee shop in the mornings, don't speak (and don't care to try) Spanish, need all the imported goodies from the U.S. and Canada, and believe that a trip to Branson is an adventure undertaken by only the hardiest and most adventuresome. Traffic is also heavy at present even though we're in the "low season" at Lakeside. Of course it's heavy in Manzanillo also, but you're trying to compare a city (Manzanillo) with adequate infrastructure and a decent road system to a series of rural villages (Chapala, Ajijic, San Juan Cosala, Jocotepec) where services are stretched way past capacity and cobblestones (with the exception of Joco) are the preferred paving material.

Another check: go to TELMEX in both areas and inquire about the possibility of getting a telephone. There's going to be a HUGE difference in installation times.

Business and health have held me here far longer than I had anticipated because access to technology and many services I thought I needed were available here. I also have a number of friends here but the place is no longer a place where I'm enjoying life as I used to.

In October I'll be settled into my next home---on that beautiful gray volcanic beach just a bit south of Manzanillo. Hot, dusty, and with much less hustle and bustle.

The answer to your question lies within yourself; come, spend several months---I'd suggest a year---in each place;then make a decision. Mexico ain't goin' anywhere so you have plenty of time to make a decision---you might even find another place you like better than either choice you're now considering.

Good luck, and enjoy your adventure.

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Bubba

Aug 17, 2004, 10:30 AM

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Cute, UD:

Actually, the folks who think of Branson as an adventure for the hardiest among us may be right. While I have never been there, I understand that traffic is so bad during peak times that one can spend hours trying to get in to see Andy Williams. That misguided activity certainly takes some stamina. I think you are mistaken, however. People who see Branson as an adventure are more attracted to Punta Gorda trailer parks - or were. (A couple of years ago, Punta Gorda was touted as one of the top retirement destinations in the U.S. by a major magazine. Now is your opportunity to buy property there.)

Those thinking of moving to Lakeside should heed Don's warning about one important thing. The place appears to be on the verge of becoming extremely popular among both expats and Tapitios who are beginning to crowd our village and causing a run on local real estate. The physical limitations of the urban development on the north shore precludes the construction of arterial bypasses to serve what appears to be the future highly developed zone from Chapala to Jocotepec. Thus, it is almost a given that traffic from Chapala west is destined to become a nightmare as time goes by. Anyone who has driven Branson or Carmel or any other popular place with access limitations can foresee what is about to happen here. We live in West Ajijic and already take village back streets to shops in Eastern Ajijic and San Antonio but that is also a slow process over marginal and uneven stone roads.

In addition to coming traffic problems, the communities will be hard pressed to provide other infrastructural improvements to serve a much larger population and everything from increased pollution of the lake to possible water shortages may be anticipated. In parts of the United States, municipal governments in high growth areas tend to tax the developers and local citizenry to pay for needed infrastructural improvements but I don't know what will happen here where there is a more relaxed attitude toward inferior infrastructure. Don't expect any detailed environmental impact studies prior to the buliding of our first major supermarket here or those new hillside developments going up between Joco and Ajijic.

There is now a mix of Gringos here some of whom value village life and some of whom value the comfort of exclusionary gated communities. I'll bet any of you a Cheese Whopper at the new Burger King set to go up soon that, as the community develops rapidly with expats and Tapatios escaping Guadalajara, the area will attract more and more people who value exclusionary enclaves or rare beachfront properties. Wealthy Tapatios already find their campasino cousins at lakeside rustic and useful only as service providers to be disdained socially. Expats will fill up their exclusionary enclaves and become increasingly isolated from the Mexican community. These developments will inevitably lead to more stratification and misuderstanding in the community, especially as lakeside natives are squeezed out by inflated property values. Spanish will become a second language in the area as it has in places such as Cabo and Cancun.

Many expats who have been here for years find these trends distressing and will want to leave the area. Places such as Colima and Manzanillo may be choices for some. Don is right, however, that no place is as it seemed upon discovery after a few years in residence there. Both Colima and Manzanillo suffer greatly in comparison to lakeside when it comes to climate unless one is fond of heat and humidity. I do not see either of those places being overwhelmed with foreign retirees and wealthy urban escapees so maybe they are preferable to those put off by such trends despite the sultry climates. To each his own.

We are entertaining the notion of moving our summer home base to San Cristobal de las Casas and spending the winters in that part of the southern Quintana Roo coast still undeveloped or, perhaps, even Belize. That may be a pipe dream and I will miss my Burger King if we do that but everything is a trade off.

And, Don, as most of us know, heavy afternoon boozing is an option just about anywhere in North America. It's unfortunate that, no matter where one moves one moves with oneself, dragging along that damn sack of rocks.


Uncle Donnie

Aug 17, 2004, 11:40 AM

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Re: [Bubba] Manzanillo vs Lakeside

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Amen, Bubba!

Good points all. Just spoke with a friend who recently moved back here from Melaque---too many bugs and too many degrees, neither of which are insurmountable problems for me.

And BTW, ain't nothin' wrong with that afternoon boozin'---it's just that I wake up stiff and sore from lying face down on the cold floor tiles all night long.

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talosian


Aug 17, 2004, 1:13 PM

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I live in what you call a "exclusionary gated community" (Vista del Lago) not because I want to be excluded from the Mexican community but rather because I fell in love with the house and area. My closest friend here is a Mexican lady who speaks English and I am learning Spanish as best possible. I look forward to the time when I may be invited to a (Mexican) family affair and learn more about the people who have allowed and welcomed me into their homeland.

Yes, there are those who will come here and make no attempt to get to know their Mexican neighbors or become involved in the community and it matters not where they live, this is who they are.

Please don't group everyone who lives in what you term an "exclusionary gated community" as not caring about or wanting to be involved in the Mexican community, it just ain't so.

Just my two pesos spouting off.

Spock.
"When all logical explanations have failed, we must look to the illogical for the answer.


Bubba

Aug 17, 2004, 8:30 PM

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Re: [talosian] Manzanillo vs Lakeside

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No blanket value judgments intended. Macro trends only. For instance, I live in the village and I hate everybody.


(This post was edited by jennifer rose on Aug 17, 2004, 8:38 PM)


Morgan

Aug 19, 2004, 5:56 AM

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Many thanks to all who responded to my post. The viewpoints expressed were most helpful and interesting as I had hoped. The forums are such a great source of help and information. We will be visiting Manzanilla, Lakeside and Colima in October for an initial visit to the area.
 
 
 
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