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dbrown

Jan 26, 2004, 12:31 PM

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Illegal returning to Mexioc

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Hello! I know that I cannot be the only person that has this question, but since I've not seen it anywhere guess I'll have to ask. I have a friend who came to the states about 5 years ago under contract to work, so he had the papers he needed to get here, but needless to say he is no longer legal and he is preparing to go home. The problem is, the different information he is getting from folks living in the states. This is the situation. He has bought a vehicle (1996 Ford Explorer) to take home, it is in his name and he does have a Virginia drivers license, (got that when his papers were good) it is paid in full. The information that he has is that he is not going to be able to cross the border because the auto is a 1996. Can someone please tell me what is fact and what is fiction. Also, what is he going to run into when he enters Mexico as far as not have a passport, visa, etc?? Any and all information concerning an illegal with a vehicle returning to Mexico would be more than greatly appreciated.

Thanks to all who respond



TomG

Jan 26, 2004, 6:06 PM

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First of all don't be in a hurry, he has been in the US that long and a few months will not make any really big difference. Emotions begin to enter before going home and bad or costly decisions break out.

Hang tight and start an orderly process of information gathering. He needs a "matricula" card from his nearest Mexican consulate in the USA to prove he is a Mexican. They do this every day.

He could also call and ask at one of the larger Mexican Consulates where to call and get info on "nationalizing a pickup". I think an Explorer counts as a pickup (or has in the past in some cases). I know of people who have crossed with this class of vehicle. There are special "abogados" at the border crossing who specialize in nationalizing vehicles for Mexicans. There is no way he can get around this I could detect, because he cannot cross over to Mexico on a scouting trip and see whether he could get the nationalizing papers and process them himself. He can prearrange with an "abogado" by giving his vehicle data by phone and then arrive two weeks later when it is mostly processed and his Mexican plates are present at the border from his home state in Mexico.

Two years ago a pickup had to be over 10 years to the month old to qualify. Cars didn't qualify. Things are changing rapidly at this time and in the near future - so I hear locally. The fee at that time for a 12 year old pickup was 3000 pesos. Older ones costs less than new ones - the price is scaled by year. Once he eases it out on the bridge he is committed, no turning around for more homework or arrangements. It stays on the bridge, it can't go back due to his legal status, and it can't go forward to the other end without all forms in order. It also must arrive at the other end of the bridge totally empty of things, like his clothes and personal belongings - as empty as when he bought it on a car lot or from a dealer. This is very tricky. I saw people unloading full pickups and hand carrying all the treasures they brought back from the USA to the other side, where they would have to have a friend watch the pile while they went out on the bridge for more. You really need a third person to watch the pickup on the middle of the bridge. It would help greatly to have an American or a legal with him to drive the American vehicle over to the other side while he stays in the USA, unload the stuff at a safe place (motel or abogados office), deal with the abogado, then swing back over to the USA side, U-turn, pick him up, and out on to the bridge with the abogados papers and arrangements. Tricky.

He doesn't need a Mexican passport if he has a Mexican Matricular ID. But a Mexican passport would be a good ID document on the drive back. If he is in the Virginia area still, then he should be able to get very good info and ID from the Mexican Consulate in Washington, DC. With a Virginia drivers licenses and a Matricular ID he should be OK for the drive back, but a passport would be better in some of the screwier states.

He is likely to be safe from the INS on such a return trip because he is going back at his own expense, rather than theirs. But nothing is sure. He should drive safely and obey all the rules. The license should serve him well and keep him safe. He should be advised of his rights by someone like a Immigration Aid specialist (a free service) at a charitable organization that helps immigrants, so that if he is stopped on a minor traffic offense in a whacky place someone doesn't ask for his legal status proof beyond his license. With a valid license he should not have to prove more (unless the new Homeland Security stuff of the last few months has made it legal to pull people over and ask citizenship). When he is returning voluntarily at his expense the INS doesn't really want him, but if some small town cop insists, they would have to take him. If I were him I would stay on interstates driving across I-80 to I-35 and stay on I-35 to Laredo. If he wants a different entry point he could branch off in San Antonio.

Mexicans immigrants are often very bad at maps and fearful of long car journeys. Go over the map with him many times if this is the case, how to navigate splits and the like, and how to correct a missed exit error without getting too exposed.

If he hung on Bush might give him something to travel to Mexico and re-enter the USA with, as well as work more. What is going to happen will likely happen before the November elections - 10 months more, if he is a gambling man. By that time the Mexican vehicle nationalization situation might play out as well, and he could end out paying nothing, and being hassle free.

Some people re-enter Mexico as bigshots and fall flat on their tails in a very short time. Some ramrod a few years of northern wages into a better and secure life for them and their families for the whole generation and beyond. I think the pueblo people do better than the city people; the city people are so screwed down here. City relatives and aquaintance could probably pick a returning worker clean before he got reoriented, what with weddings, birthday parties, baptisms, being out of work right now, just needing a this and a that, and on to infinity. Folks will be awful glad to see him.

Also he should mind his business on the Mexican side of the border. There are people just looking for the returning worker with all his stuff and money. Being well set up so that he can move through without a hitch and keep on going into the interior will greatly increase his safety. There are some nasty people in various nasty businesses around the border. Being Mexican he probably would trust them less than I do. Good strategy is his best defense, a travel partner would help. He needs to know his costs for the trip and crossing (as set as possible) and carry maybe 50% more for contingency. As far as I'm concerned he could sleep in his vehicle on I-80 in Penn., most of Ohio, Iowa, the Kansas Turnpike, and a some places in Texas.

He must be a good person to have such a good friend. Good luck to the both of you.


dbrown

Jan 27, 2004, 11:34 AM

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Re: [TomG] Illegal returning to Mexico

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Tom, I don't know where you are, but I could just kiss you. This is the first thing that I have been able to read about nationalizing a vehicle. I was able to find the current cost of the "tolls" from Mexico to Oaxaco so that part is covered, as far as the tolls on this side of the border, so that he will have the amount of money that he needs and just a little more. He won't be going home with a bunch of gifts and most of the things that he owns here will stay here with his son. I got the number for the Consulate in DC and told him he needs to talk to them and stop listening to his "brother in law" in Texas, he told him that he could not bring the vehicle in. I am not sure that he would trust Mexicans anymore than you do, he is close to 60 years of age so he has pretty much been soured to rogues(?) people. Don't have to worry about him breaking any speed laws if anything maybe going to slow, I am sure anyone that has driven with a mexican that has and cares about there licenses can relate to that statement. Thank you for the statement about me being a good friend, I have done this and more for many people, but most of the time I either know or can find the answer some other way. You are the one to be thanked!!!!


TomG

Jan 27, 2004, 4:24 PM

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You mentioned Oaxaca. That is where I am. I would be glad to meet him when he gets here.

To drive here I would suggest the route we took, avoiding Mexico City. He can cross at Reynosa or Matamoros. We crossed at Reynosa. There is sort of an industry of nationalizing pickups. The highway down the coast is free as far as Veracruz. From Veracruz there is a toll road that will cross the mountains and take him south of Puebla where he turns for Oaxaca. It is a two day drive with a stop at Poza Rica, Veracruz where he should be able to find a hotel with a courtyard parking.

By passing Tampico was a real ordeal 3 months ago due to constuction. We lost about 2 hours. I would consider right going through Tampico. Around Naranjas, Veracruz starts some bad road areas from the excessive rains of the last wet season. So there was some slow going. Veracruz is very green and going slow can be a pleasure. He will be feeling at home by then with all the tropical fruit.


sandykayak


Jan 29, 2004, 9:09 AM

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I'm impressed. Congratulations Tom for your advice and kind offer of assistance.
Sandy Kramer
Miami, Fla & El Parque


dbrown

Feb 2, 2004, 10:11 AM

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Since my trial ends today, I wanted to let anyone interested know what I have found out. Trucks still have to be 10 years old to be nationalized. He can get permission for 6 months, at the $300 fee, then have to return again to the border for another 6 month pass, pay again. So I guess things are changing but the gov. is the same everywhere, got there hand in everybody else's pocket cept their own.

The directions will be put to good use. Thanks once again for you help.
 
 
 
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