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talosian


Aug 26, 2004, 5:21 PM

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When cooking recently iI was using what seems to be a "locally" made plate. I noticed when using one of these plates in the mocrowave, it became very hot, more than simply transferred heat from the item being cooked. This made me think the plate could contain lead. Today in a restaurant, I noted the same plates being used. If there is lead in these plates, I know it can leach into the food and that will be bad news.

Anyone know anything on this?

Spock.
"When all logical explanations have failed, we must look to the illogical for the answer.



esperanza

Aug 26, 2004, 5:46 PM

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What you need to watch out for are highly-colored glazes (reds, yellows, deep blues, etc.) on low-fired pottery. Those can have (but don't always have) higher lead content. Generally speaking, lead will leach out if you use those dishes for acidic foods such as citrus fruits, tomatoes, etc. Area potters tell us, however, that lead is ordinarily fired out of the pottery in the kiln. The local brown-glazed pottery isn't normally a problem. If you're leery, use your talavera-style pottery for decor, not for food service.




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Aug 26, 2004, 5:48 PM

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jennifer rose

Aug 26, 2004, 6:10 PM

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A little lead, particularly in a serving dish, isn't going to kill you. Storing acidic foods for long periods of time is another matter.

Don't be so quick to indict the vessel. It may have heated up more in the microwave because of chips in the glaze. Some pottery items -- including the lead-free variety -- don't do well in the microwave.


Kip


Aug 26, 2004, 7:47 PM

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There was a news story about a lady who was getting slowly sicker and sicker. They couldn't figure it out until they found out that her favorite coffee cup that she had bought in Italy and used everyday, was slowly poisoning her. I bought some lead testing "stuff"(I'm not sure what form it's in, I haven't used it yet!) just in case something looked suspicious.

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johnv

Aug 27, 2004, 6:30 AM

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I have a talavera water dispenser purchased in Dolores Hidalgo, Gto. It is the type that you place a 20 liter garafon on top in an inverted position. The outside is glazed in multi-colors, however the inside is glazed in white. When I purchased it, I was told that it did not contain lead. (that could have been a sales ploy)
Does anyone know the safety of such water vessels concerning lead content.? Is anyone else using such a water dispenser?


esperanza

Aug 27, 2004, 6:52 AM

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I personally know about 40 people who use those talavera water dispensers. I've not heard that anyone has ever had a lead problem.




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Bubba

Aug 27, 2004, 7:05 PM

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Damn, I'm upset. When I saw the title "Hot Dishes" I expected a reprise of " My Favorite Idaho". Then I plug in and get this stuff about toxic plates. Try to use more appropriate titles, please.


esperanza

Aug 27, 2004, 7:22 PM

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I thought that was 'My Private Idaho'. And hey, at least it's not a thread about fried liver and gravy.




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Cynthia7

Aug 27, 2004, 7:39 PM

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Most of those water holders are high fire lead free. If you have had it for years and it has a soft lovely patina and it chips every time you fill a bottle of water - it might be Talavera with lead in it. Otherwise- drink away.


Bubba

Aug 27, 2004, 8:02 PM

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I hate you Esperanza. Of course it's "My Private Idaho" but only a sick perv like me would even remember this. I invite anybody else living in this suburban poophole to tell me they have seen this movie and prove it by telling me the two main stars and the name of the guy who played Bob. I feel tremendous affection for Bob even though I am not that kind of Bob.

HINT: One of the stars is dead.


esperanza

Aug 27, 2004, 9:54 PM

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Bubba, we are both wrong. *sigh* It's My Own Private Idaho. And I'm not going to give away the answers.




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Carol Schmidt


Aug 27, 2004, 10:44 PM

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I used to own a ceramics store, and my students made many food items. I made and used many ceramic dishes myself. I knew mine were all fired at the appropriate temps for each glaze and there were no possible problems

From the ceramics glazes manufacturers, I learned that clear glaze, the white innards of most of your ceramics pieces for food use, does not contain glaze and is perfectly safe no matter how poorly a dish is made or fired or glazed.

As said above, it is the red and yellow colors in particular which could be unsafe if not fired in a hot-enough kiln. Since some Mexican kilns are wood-fed and might have irregularities in temperatures, I too would take precautions in using brightly colored pieces for food. They might still have very old glazes around that still contain lead, or the glazes could have been made poorly in another country with no lead safety standards.

But also as said above, the problem is not something that happens in an hour over a dinner--the only danger could be if something with high acid content (salsas, lime, tomato or vinegar in the recipes, for example) is stored in a colorful, underfired ceramic dish for a long time.

It was never said how long a long time is, but we were all assured that a few hours was no biggie even for the worst possible scenario--such as a piece with an antiquated red glaze with lead not fired high enough and acidic food served in it for a long dinner.

When I bought a fancy set of dinnerware from the Ken Edwards factory in Tocolo near Quadalajara, I was assured again that anything from a company which ships to the U.S. has to follow U.S. standards for ceramic glazes and all colors are perfectly safe. It's not a big deal to be careful with dishes made from an unknown potter to just take the food or beverage out before storing.

And I would always be careful placing any kind of ceramic in the microwave other than Pyrex. A piece that heats up does not mean necessarily that it has lead--lots more reasons could cause microwave heat buildup, such as uneven thickness of the ceramic.

And of course if you have a ceramic with a gold opr silver or other metallic design don't use the microwave, just as you don't put anything metal in the microwave.

Carol Schmidt
 
 
 
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