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swine


Jul 29, 2004, 2:50 PM

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We are coming down to stay permanently in Ajijic, Jalisco. in mid-October. Just found out Mexicana allows only one pet per seat. Our yearling pups are mid sized (a smallish (55#) Boxer and a Soft-Haired Wheaten Terrier (30#)). I had planned on driving down solo - it takes me four full days, while my wife flew with the pups. What are the pros and cons of air vs. road transport for pets like ours? They are too large to be allowed in the cabin.



Carol Schmidt


Jul 29, 2004, 6:10 PM

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Re: [jayc1ay] Flying with pups

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I've known people who had success stories flying with pets in cargo and others who had horror stories--pets got out, lost, or overheated. At least in October you're not running the chance of mid-summer overheating--some airlines won't even take pets, other than small ones in the cabin, in hot weather. I'll be interested in reading what others here say, too.

Carol Schmidt


esperanza

Jul 29, 2004, 6:49 PM

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One June a good while back I drove from San Diego to Lake Chapala with two dogs just about the size of those two. I bought a large heavy-wire cage, packed uncrushable boxes full of my stuff in the back of my Astrovan, and put the dog cage on top of the boxes so the dogs could see out the windows and see me while we were on the road--and so they wouldn't be cut off from the air conditioning. We stopped faithfully every two hours for an input/output break (pee and a drink of water). They loved it. They learned immediately that a stop meant 'leash on and out of the cage' and that as soon as they had peed and had a drink, it was time to jump back in. They jumped in with great willingness and seemed to really enjoy the trip. They were much better behaved on the road than was their custom at home. They barked at the soldiers at the checkpoints, saving us time in revisiones. The checkpoint guys did not want to mess with dogs.

We stayed overnight in El Paso. TX and in Durango, Durango, MX. The dogs were no problem at all. We all had a good time.




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Georgia


Jul 30, 2004, 8:37 AM

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I'll ditto everything Esperanza said about our canine, Guido the Wonderdog: a 70# Golden Retriever. We have a metal barrier for our mini-van. He had the rearmost portion of the van, with his bed, his chew toys and the best thing ever to keep a dog HAPPY: A Kong ball: it is hollow and on the outside has ridges. You fill the insides with small treats which he can get out and the ridges with peanut butter. He probably had a craqmp in his tongue by the time we arrived here. Five solid days of driving from upstate New York. He still begs to ride with us, which he never wanted to do before the trip.


pathall

Jul 31, 2004, 9:11 AM

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We drive down to San Miguel de Allende from Alberta, Canada every November and back again in February with our 50# Clumber Spaniel. The trip takes 7 days one-way. She loves the trip and being in the car. Most of the time she sleeps and is very content because she's with us 24 hours a day. She loves the car so much now that when we go out and leave her alone in SMA, we have to leave her in the car rather than in the apartment. We stop only every 3 or 4 hours or so for her to "go" and she has a bowl of water always in her wire crate in the car. It doesn't really get too hot for her while we're travelling, but if we stop for lunch and it's hot, we have a crate fan that attaches to her crate and blows cool air on her. She also has a "cool coat" which can be filled with water and chilled overnight and used if necessary. We stop overnight in Jiménez and Zacatecas on the way down. We've been doing this for six years. I'd hate to put her on a plane. She'd be very anxious.


Uncle Donnie

Jul 31, 2004, 10:20 AM

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Re: [pathall] Flying with pups

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I've travelled both ways to/from Texas with various combos of animals; three dogs at once, a dog and two cats at once, and just a single dog.

In my extended cab truck I had a platform built to slide in on top of the folded down rear seat. A cushion was made to fit and the dogs had a flat secure surface to ride on. When the cats rode I put them in harnesses and let them roam (actually they both settled in under the seat and rode quietly) until pitstop time when I snapped on leashes and took them to any nearby private sandy spot.

Now we just put down the back seat of the Cherokee and they have room.

As mentioned earlier, dogs are excellent at eliminating or reducing the time spent in aduna, Army, and police stops and searches. The guys usually ask if the dog(s) bite(s). The answer I always give is "Sometimes".

And how you treat pitstops with dogs depends upon your degree of confidence in their good behavior. Pirata and Atticus were always allowed to un-ass the truck by themselves because they respond well to voice commands but Phoebe the Giant Schnauzer always had to come out on a leash because she's a bit more unpredictable. The cats, as you might expect, were ALWAYS on a leash when they were let out.

The big consideration is where to spend the night. It's best to be as discreet as possible although some places do allow pets. A menagerie is an entirely different question.

In Mexico try some of the hoteles de paso, or "love motels". Less expensive in many cases than the 4 and 5 star places, and usually very nice (they normally get cleaned several times a day---or night) with a good king-size bed, many available with a jacuzzi in the room, and often room service food and booze at exaggerated prices. But they're very private and secure and many allow pets---heaven knows what they think about your psyche, but you'll never see them again anyway in most cases.

In the U.S.? Red Roof Inns allow small pets. I guess you could say that your German Shepherd is actually small by breed standards. We've stayed with both Phoebe and Atticus, a Giant Poodle. Lots of rule flexibility if you smile and try to be as inconspicuous as possible. Ask for a ground-floor room so you don't have to parade through the lobby.

And, as noted, a lot of dogs react like babies once you're underway---they settle in and sleep. If carsickness becomes a consideration just stop at a vet's office and get meds. Or try a trip or two close to home to see what kind of response you get if you've never car travelled with Bowser.

I'm definitely in favor of car travel with dogs as opposed to flying them as cargo.

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Carol Schmidt


Jul 31, 2004, 10:50 AM

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Motel 6 in the US also allows dogs, and we use one of their catalogs of all their hotels whenever we stop at one and then book ahead for our next night, to make sure we get a room where dogs are allowed.

In Mexico, the Holiday Inn in San Luis Potosi says on its web page it takes small dogs, though we had to beg and speak to the manager and cite the web page before we were allowed to stay there.

The Shih tzu and two cats love to travel by car, too, Lacey on a pillow over the gear shift and the cats in a large pet carrier that has room for a small litter box and a water dish. The dog gets water at our rest stops from a bottle filled at home with water she's familiar with, no upset stomachs that way.

She loves to travel because she'll get scrambled eggs for breakfast brought out to the car from our breakfast stop, and some of our lunch and dinner. She enjoys all the new smells and will bark viciously at appropriate moments at borders--guards don't like her despite her small size. The cats get their usual dry food--easily upset stomachs. (Nothing like traveling in an enclosed car with a pet with diarrhea.)

Just because I have heard a few horror stories about flying pets in plane cargo holds I would never do it--only takes once to lose a pet. I suppose the rate of car crashes in which pets are killed is worse than the loss via planes but statistics don't apply when it comes to my pets.

Carol Schmidt


pathall

Jul 31, 2004, 3:16 PM

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I forgot to mention that we take water (and of course dog food) from home to give to our dog on the road and then when we run out of home water, we just drop into Safeway in the US and fill up our large plastic bottles with bottled water. We load up on bottled water just before we go into Mexico so that we can make it to SMA before we run out. In SMA the dog always drinks bottled water too. Not going to risk her stomach!

We've stayed in Holidays Inns, Best Westerns, etc. all over the US. Never had a problem in the US. We try to stay in hotels that have "exterior" corridors so that we can unload the car and the dog and her crate that she loves (she has a crate for the car and a folding one for hotel rooms) right at our hotel door. In Mexico we're very quiet about the dog and so far we've never had a problem. Luckily Clumber Spaniels are very quiet. At customs and check stops she is never even noticed.
 
 
 
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