Fear may spoil Independence events

Fear may spoil Independence events

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The national survey firm Demotecnia reports that 64 percent of the people of México said they were afraid to attend the celebrations of Independence because a violent event might occur.

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Brian

Sep 14, 2011, 11:25 AM

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I just received a tweet which indicated that thousands of flyers have been spread on the streets of Apatzingan, Michoacan, advising the citizens that the Zetas intend to engage in grenade attacks such as that occurred in Morelia a few years. It urged that parents use extreme caution during the Fiestas Patrias. The authors of the flyers: Los Caballeros Templarios.

Sep 14, 2011, 11:32 AM

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Google translation of the report on Blog Narco:
During the day, several unknown people handed out leaflets in the city of Apatzingan, Michoacan, where warning of possible attacks during the night of September 15.

In addition thousands of leaflets appeared drawn from the city streets and some homes, of course what they said was a surprise and even panic among people.

The fliers are signed by the Knights Templar, where alert to the possibility of attacks by the criminal group of Los Zetas in the area.

Full text:

“NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC APATZINGUENSE: to be alert of possible threats from Z. Are urged great caution with their families this holiday season, because the threats are latent Occasions COULD THE LOSS OF LIFE AS IT HAPPENED AT THE BASE OF MORELIA, BECAUSE these scourges work that way DOING DAMAGE TO INNOCENT PEOPLE. CARING FOR YOUR FAMILY APOYENOS NOT BE IN PLACES THAT ARE POSSIBLE TARGETS OF ATTACKS. ALL TOGETHER WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE AND OUR PEOPLE OF PEOPLE ONLY Seek to cause harm. HOPE COUNT WITH YOUR SUPPORT OF ANY SUSPICIOUS SITUATION. WE THE TEMPLARS ONLY LOOKING AND FIGHT AGAINST THOSE WHO THREATEN OUR FAMILY AND OUR PEOPLE”.
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM

Sep 14, 2011, 1:50 PM

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Honestly my belief has been this. Do we let fear conquer our lives our do we proceed with our daily lives.

Maybe my spirit is different. I lived in Tijuana during the heightened violence of during the raging battle between El Teo & FSO. I lived violence daily. The concept I picked up is that you have to live your life in a spirit of peace and not allow the things you can not control to hold control over your life.

I condemn violence however I do not allow fear to control my life.

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whynotwrite

Sep 14, 2011, 4:24 PM

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Great post, I am behind you, or should I say beside you 100%. Rolly is beginning to act like a drug war groupie posting this stuff at every opportunity.

Sep 14, 2011, 4:28 PM

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How about letting "good sense" control your life? If either of you had bothered to keep up with the news out of the area where Rolly lives - you might think differently!
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM

Sep 14, 2011, 4:34 PM

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I'm not opposed to posting "drug war" information here I just get weary of allowing the fear to control our lives. Nothing against Rolly or anything personal.

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Sep 14, 2011, 4:34 PM

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Good sense says I should be more worried about drunk drivers or liver disease than cartel attacks.

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esperanza

Sep 14, 2011, 4:44 PM

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Davidkrug, it's possible that some of us have experienced events that have made OUR good sense a little different from YOUR good sense. Rolly and I are the furthest thing from fear-mongers. Caution-mongers, sure--both Rolly in Lerdo and I in Michoacán have lived through some really unnerving situations.

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Sep 14, 2011, 4:56 PM

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I lived in Tijuana. I lost my ex to the drug war. So I have lived through some craziness myself. I'm not saying we shouldn't be cautious. I'm saying we can't run around spreading fear for fears sake which is exactly what these cartels want us to do. In fact by spreading fear they win. Just like terrorists.

I've lived in this country nearly 10 years I've been kidnapped, seen a murder, walked away and after some counseling came back a better man for it. I teach people to be safe, smart, and enjoy the good parts of Mexico.

Fear is not caution. There's a huge difference. Spreading media stories is just that spreading fear IMO.

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esperanza

Sep 14, 2011, 6:06 PM

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Well, davidkrug, I have lived in Mexico for more than 30 years. I too lived in Tijuana, and I've lived through grenade attacks (2), personal extortion and death threats (4), gun battles (more than I can count), and the loss of the way of life I loved in Michoacán.

For at least two years, I and one other person were the voice of truth on Mexconnect about the growing activities of the cárteles. I was lambasted, excoriated, and suffered personally from 'kill the messenger' syndrome. No one here believed that certain things were happening in Mexico, and having those things brought to their attention just made people furious.

Suddenly folks woke up and saw that what I had been urging caution about was in fact happening in different parts of this country. The worm turned and many, many people started posting here about the facts of narcotraficante activities in the areas where they lived or traveled. Posting factual information about cártel activity isn't fear-mongering: it's telling the unfortunate truth about what is in fact happening in today's Mexico.

Now it looks like the worm is turning again. Today it was Rolly's turn to be blasted for posting about cártel activity. I didn't notice that his post screamed out, "STAY AWAY! STAY AWAY!" I noticed that he posted news--awful news, yes, but just the facts. Rolly, of all people, does not deserve to be blasted for posting those facts. He's lived through a lot, up north in Durango, and really only posts facts that he thinks we Mexconnecters have reason to know.

I live in Mexico City, haven't altered my daily life here due to fear, and have no plans to do so. Nonetheless, I still think it is important to be aware of what is going on, and where it is happening.

We are all sick and tired of the heavy cloud of tension in today's Mexico. Everyone is eager for the violence to stop, all of us whether Mexican or foreigner wish passionately that the cárteles would just go away and leave us the hell alone, and I believe that we would love to get on with living our lives the way our lives were just a few short years ago. But until that day comes, I'd rather be informed and know which side of caution to live on than spend my time like an ostrich, head firmly in the sand.

And I, for one, am grateful to Rolly for posting today's facts. Thanks, amigo.

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Sep 14, 2011, 6:26 PM

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I'm not saying I'm not grateful for ones' participation. I'm saying there wasn't much positive to it is all....

Seems like we are letting the cartels win by our obsession with their war.

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Bennie García

Sep 14, 2011, 8:32 PM

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Were you actually physically present during a grenade attack or gun battle?

esperanza

Sep 14, 2011, 9:23 PM

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I was actually present during a grenade attack and a gun battle. The grenade attack was in May 2009, the gun battle in July 2009.

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Sep 15, 2011, 10:09 AM

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It seems that those in power also happen to be thinking of the peoples safety with the cancellation of some events throughout the country. Here is an article re: 10 municipalities in Oaxaca that won't be holding celebrations:
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/793903.html
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM

Sep 15, 2011, 10:18 AM

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They are canceling a few celebrations because of a lack of police forces and military to put on the ground. This is not a 'bad' thing. It's the responsible thing.

I wasn't urging irresponsibility. What I was trying to convey is this:
When we spread the message of violence including sharing photos, or acknowledging through journalistic glorification the deeds of violent men we give them power by creating fear in the hearts and minds of the people.

But when we speak of caution, and of our own experiences we give The People power.

I think my words were misunderstood. I merely seek an end to the constant groupies of drug violence, and to the publishing of violent deeds in this we are losing the battle for the hearts and minds of the people who are truly important.

Mexico.

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Rolly

Sep 15, 2011, 11:49 AM

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Tonight there will be over 1000 police and military deployed around the Grito celebration in Torreón.
Here in Lerdo 240 police will ring the plaza. Already (noon) several down town streets have been closed.

Rolly Pirate

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Sep 15, 2011, 1:03 PM

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And according to the following INFORMADOR article, there is a sense of chaos in Guadalajara with their security precautions:

http://www.informador.com.mx/...os-para-el-grito.htm
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM

mensamia

Sep 19, 2011, 8:35 PM

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thank you Rolly and Esperanza for sharing information that is pertinent to living in, travelling in or moving to Mexico. As for you, DavidKlug, you can stick your head in the sand if you wish but don't try to stop others from making their own choices about what to read. If you don't approve of a post, move on to the next one. Don't try to censor this forum.
" to see the world in a grain of sand". W. Blake

deaconmoss

Sep 20, 2011, 5:22 PM

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Two sides of the same coin. Living in Mexico half time and still enthusiastic, but certainly more careful about where I go and visit, than I was 10 years ago. I appreciate both sides and am always amazed at how fast folks tend to get their hackles up? I do enjoy a good discussion, which mostly happens on this very informative site. Keep up the good work, one and all!

barnowl

Sep 24, 2011, 5:48 PM

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I wish I could believe that. If we all have happy thoughts ... this will disappear.

Spooks me out, I wanted to live in Mexico in my retirement years. But this is just a replay of "Plan Columbia" and now they are doing it to Mexico ... and this won't end well.

Sep 24, 2011, 7:13 PM

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My name is David Krug. I don't advocate censorship. I wasn't promoting. And can we not just rely on insults to get our points across. I mean would you treat a person like this in person ?

I would hope not. I'm sorry if I've offended you or my views are different than yours. That's the nature of humanity.

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Axixic

Sep 25, 2011, 8:04 AM

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I 100% agree with you on this David and odd that, "To see the world in a grain of sand" comes from Auguries of Innocence, a poem that begs for humanity, not insults.

mensamia

Sep 26, 2011, 4:46 PM

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