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chinagringo

Feb 9, 2011, 1:29 PM

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Drug War Deaths in Gringo Areas

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I subscribe to Tony's newsletter and today's edition deals with the subject stated above:
http://geo-mexico.com/?p=3430

I found some very interesting numbers in the provided chart attached below:
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM

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drug-war-deaths-ex-pat-areas.pdf (50.2 KB)

NEOhio1

Feb 9, 2011, 1:54 PM

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The 2010 census shows officially less than 100K persons between Chapala and Jocotepec...that was interesting in itself. It kind of lays to rest the idea that there are 20K expats between Chapala and Joco.

tonyburton

Feb 9, 2011, 3:14 PM

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Thanks for the plug. That particular article, like many others on the blog, was written by Dr. Richard Rhoda (lead author of Geo-Mexico, the geography and dynamics of modern Mexico). We share the work of writing short posts about all aspects of Mexico's fascinating geography.
If you have particular requests, or are interested in submitting an image, map, or post, just let us know!

norteño

Feb 10, 2011, 1:11 PM

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If there is actually still anyone who takes seriously any official Mexican statistics that deal in any way with crime they should read this article from today's news. The first paragraph is translated below the link.

It goes on to say that at least once over the last 3-year period this contradiction--the total number of murders of any type being less than the total of murders linked to organised crime--occurred between federal government organised crime homicide figures and official federal mortality figures (INEGI) in the case of a particular municipio.

http://www.animalpolitico.com/...icados-de-defuncion/

If we go by the official figures, there are 105 municipalities in Mexico where there are dead people "left over".

Between December 2006 and the same month in 2009 the Federal Government reported more deaths presumably related to organised crime in 105 municipalities than the total number of murders counted by INEGI. The most extreme case is that of Culiacán, Sinaloa, which reports 1,104 murders in that period based on INEGI death figures, but 1,303 murders by organised crime according to the federal government.

ken_in_dfw

Feb 11, 2011, 9:49 AM

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Tony, do you know why that analysis provides no information on any cities in Michoacán? And also, is it really possible that Mazatlán has a higher drug deaths per 100,000 rate than Nuevo Laredo? Is it possible that some deaths aren't being reported in NL?

tonyburton

Feb 11, 2011, 11:08 AM

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Ken, Nothing sinister about that (as far as I know!). I'm not entirely sure what Rick's criteria were for deciding which places were included, but I'll ask him for some Michoacán data since I agree that it would be of interest to many on this forum. More later, Tony

tonyburton

Feb 11, 2011, 12:56 PM

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The first part of Rick Rhoda's reply is that:
Morelia was included in the drug war death rates of municipalities with populations over 700,000.
Its rate of 36/100,000 was the 6th highest, but barely above the national average and way behind the 5th ranking city, Acapilco with 84/100,000.
Rick has promised to crunch some numbers for Pátzcuaro as well, which was accidentally omitted from the list of expat municipalities, and I'll report back about that later.
Are there other Michoacán municipalities that anyone feels should also be included while he's got his calculator out?

ken_in_dfw

Feb 11, 2011, 9:14 PM

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Tony, wow, thanks for the fast reply. Talk about responsiveness!

I didn't realize that Morelia was on a separate listing. I'm hardly the expert on Michoacán. I know that there are a number of expats in Erongaricuaro and a few in Zirahuen. But I know those are also really small communities. There may be a few more in Uruapán. And as that is the gateway to the Tierra Caliente, it might make an interesting data point in the study.

At any rate, thanks for the fast reply and cheers to you and Mr. Rhoda!

tonyburton

Feb 12, 2011, 5:16 PM

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Rick Rhoda writes that:

"The rate for Michoacán state is 40/100,000. It is higher in Lázaro Cárdenas (70) and Uruapán (65) but lower in Morelia (36).

The municipalities with the highest death rates/100,000 are Chinicuila (228), Aguilla (185), and Tepalcatepec (183). [Aguilla is well known as a source of immigrants to Redwood City, California.]

The rate for Pátzcuaro is 32, slightly above the national rate of 30. There were no drug related deaths recorded in Erongarícuaro."