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TomG

Sep 29, 2003, 3:49 PM

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Quoting from CanMex (Deleted [desaparecido]) Nov 25, 2002 Post #107



In the Ejido where I live when in Mexico, the Pastor in his sermon, was saying, it's pretty bad when a kid learns to say Coca before learning Papa and Mama.I have seen many kids, just old enough to walk. with a coke in one arm and a pack of cookies or pastry in the other, and that can be early in the morning the day is not over yet.



A few of us here have been wondering/thinking about the incidence of diabetes with contemporary Mexicans. Just personal encounter seems to suggest it is higher than the North American Caucasian population. CanMex’s grassroots observation suggests that the diet is headed that way early. Is there also a greater genetic disposition? I know that the problem is really out of hand in Arizona with the Indian population. We have been thinking of trying to encourage more diet consciousness here.



Does anyone have any particular health info on this?



Madam  ZZ

Sep 29, 2003, 5:23 PM

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The former medical director of the Red Cross Isla Mujeres delegacion published several articles on the subject in Britain. There is a great genetic tendency toward Type I in the indigenous Mayans and the peoples with Maya blood...as there is in Aztecos. There is also a sense among parents that some childhood obesity is a sign of prosperity. On the issue of Coca, when a refresco costs a peso or two and a half litre of orange juice costs ten pesos, you see the problem. When I take "my boys" out to eat at a lonchera with their Mama, I am usually carrying a litre of OJ. Poured a glass, they will leave their Crush and drink until it is gone.



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Carron

Sep 30, 2003, 12:35 PM

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There is a lengthy and very interesting discussion of this in Dr. Atkins lastest diet book. He relies on studies which document that native populations that depend heavily on refined carbohydrates are populations at risk. He says that Mexicans (with a diet heavy in corn, beans, and sweets), Italians (with their dependence on flour-based pastas), and the Japanese (with their rice diet) are all dangerously high on the list of countries where diabetes is soaring.

One of my husband's co-workers is a middle-age Mexican man who has diabetes. He is substantially overweight, but won't give up his tortillas. His doctor finally told him he could eat the coarse-ground corn ones, but to stay away from the flour kind.

And, of course as is pointed out elsewhere in this thread, the food available to a child is, unfortunately, a result of price as opposed to health.


TomG

Sep 30, 2003, 3:27 PM

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Yes, as I understand it the level refinement greatly affects the sugar release time in carbohydrates. In this light a Snickers bar has a slightly slower release time that modern white bread.

In this light I wonder what is the difference between tortillas made from masa ground by hand; that made from from the same soaked corn and taken to a central mechanical mill to prepare the masa; and masa made from Maseca.

In the American Southwest it began after the Depression when the government began to supply the native population flour, sugar and oil. They made what is now called Navaho fry-bread, the equivalent of a doughnut.

If I am not having memory failure, nopales are susposed to have a beneficial effect on the bodies ability to regulate sugars. This site has some pretty amazing health claims for nopales. Wouldn't it be too poetic if cactus were to Mexico's salvation.

http://www.giga.com/...er%20del%20Nopal.htm


Madam  ZZ

Sep 30, 2003, 6:00 PM

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Part of the WTO spasms in Cancun were over US price supports that make our corn, refined or bioengineered, be dumped on Mexcio, while low yielding but probably healthier corn crown locally cannot compete in price.



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Bubba

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TomG

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Corn is an interesting subject.

Twenty years ago US agriculture, which had already morphed into agribusiness, was using 10 units of energy to deliver 1 unit of energy to the table. Over many years there has been no end of noise about the American farmer being the world's most efficient farmer.???? Since that time US farming, food processing, transportation, and presentation has become a great deal more energy intensive. I can't imagine what that data could be these days. But at this level of surreality you almost wonder, "why quibble over another increase in factors." So the few American farmers now remaining have bigger machinery, bigger farms (a lot bigger), and pound the land more intensively in order to be considered by their politicians even more efficient than before. John Deere and his brothers' preference for practical-minded farm-boy-engineers coupled with the chemical producers produced a system that took the culture out of agriculture.

Before the individual farmer was able to divine that he was not an isolated yeoman with a longrifle, he found his drinking water fouled, and sometimes his family sick. The healthy boy that grew up on a farm later found himself in the country's most hazardous occupation. By purely accidental encounter I know of 2 young women who were born severely defective due to prenatal farm chemical poisoning. The luckier one was raised in a white room and is spending most of her adult life in an almost fulltime search for safe living envelope environments. There are 6 foods that she can safely eat now as a result of months long white room allergy testing, all of them organic, 4 of them exotic. People currently living within a few miles of a modern "pig operation" (pig farm) are getting weird crippling diseases in there 30's and 40's that put them on the sidelines, as in the case with of a high school teacher who cannot use his mind to teach (think lawsuits, insurance, Medicare and welfare).

What those farm-boy-engineers failed to calculate with there sliderules in those seminal days was efficiency. While they myopically watched the beans they were counting, uddles of other monster factors where hovering over the act. So if one thinks that using 10 calories of energy to produce 1 calorie of food in the mouth was bad in 1980, try calculating the modern numbers and include all the peripheral costs that the private sector would like the public sector to subsidize for them. There is not much to the yeoman farmer image beyond his Farm Bureau literature; he is barely a proud pawn anymore.

Out of all this monoculture corn is one of the most chemical intensive crops. They grow it to burn in the Midwest – in the cars. That’s right the gas is 10% corn ethanol……and there is still too much. I haven’t even mentioned the ugly political particulars on dimensions of the subsidies.

Now all this takes us right down to Mexico on more subject fronts than we could deal with in this forum: rural poverty, immigration, degradation of quality of food products, genetic destruction of thousands of years of evolution of corn in its homeland (in as remote a place as the mountains of rural Oaxaca), public health, and who knows what else.

Speaking of diet, there is an excellent book on the corn and wheat wars in Mexico, the exact name of which I have forgotten. Since almost the earliest days, the Spanish tried to eradicate the use of corn and replace it with wheat in the indigenous Mexican diet. The main economic problem with corn was that the Mexicans could grow it, store it, prepare it, and eat it without ever passing a peso through the economy. Talk about yeoman farmer! Long rifle or no long rife. There is the rub: if they grew corn and ate tortillas and tamales they were entirely independent. If they could be switched to wheat eaters, they would need millers and bakers, and thus money to pay them…..and then you had them. The corn and wheat wars took many forms, at times it was religious: wheat being the grain of the Church in the form of bread and thus the grain of God, making corn the grain of the devil. At other times there was medical/scientific research showing that wheat was brain food (witness the superior wealth and position of the brainy Spaniards), while corn stunted mental development (sort of like La India Maria, I suppose. Although this phase of the war long predated the practical Maria ).

From Mexico to Iowa and back, corn has journey has been surrounded with myths, both beautiful and ugly; and some weird politics. And to this day corn is up to its tassles in myth and politics.

One of my saddest personal experiences in Mexico was riding next to a campasino in a combi on the road to Zinacatan, Chiapas. We were the same age, but he reminded me of my grandfather. He asked me where I was from, I told him. He asked me if there were campasinos there. I said it was a state famous for corn; but that there very few campasinos now, and that there had been many 50 years ago. We exchanged information about big machines and chemicals – he used neither. I asked, and he said that the food in his village was natural, and he knew it was better. He was very dignified. He had a white serape with light red embroidery. I was sad to part company with him. It was as if my grandfather and I were the same age. I knew we were the same age. I was also 9 years old. The boy wanted to stay where he started.

Later that day I was talking with a woman in her courtyard. The chickens were eating yellow corn. I asked, “Which is better for tortillas, the yellow or the white corn.” She said, “the blue.” She invited me to the kitchen where another woman was cooking blue corn tortillas on a wood-fired comal. The corn was freshly ground. She handed me one from the comal. It was very good. I smiled and got another. Then one more. Then squash.

Diane Kennedy considers corn from the USA to be too sweet for good Mexican tortillas.



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I'm sorry. I meant to say that ignorance is bliss but the last time I said that, JR deleted me. I am fascinated that JR knew what I meant by resurrecting that old saw and puzzled as to what she thought I intended to communicate by using it. I suppose I may have meant that people in developing countries subject to the dire affects of diabetes were blissfully ignorant of the detrimental effects of ingesting certain harmful foodstuffs. On the other hand, perhaps I meant to communicate that those who presume to speculate on the health effects of the eating habits of others of varied cultures are akin to the self-righteous hypocrits who insinuated themselves upon cultures around the world in order to improve their lot as defined by themselves.

On the other hand, maybe I meant something else entirely such as ; "Ingnorance is bliss."

Oh, by the way, Mexico is in North America but one still cannot get a decent Moon Pie or RC Cola here.


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"... but one still cannot get a decent Moon Pie or RC Cola here."

Let us be thankful for our blessings. Viva Mexico!
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TomG

Oct 2, 2003, 12:05 PM

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"On the other hand, perhaps I meant to communicate that those who presume to speculate on the health effects of the eating habits of others of varied cultures are akin to the self-righteous hypocrits who insinuated themselves upon cultures around the world in order to improve their lot as defined by themselves."


I think I know what you mean...... Like Coca Cola, McDonald's, and other meddlers. "Self-righteous," I agree......they are always equating themselves with the Darwinian natural forces.


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TomG

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I just encountered some new data, so here it is:



Jo Tuckman in Mexico City
Monday August 11, 2003
The Guardian


…..a big new health challenge facing his country even as malnutrition still haunts its poverty-stricken countryside, particularly in indigenous communities.

Usually associated with the developed world, obesity is now an epidemic sweeping much of Latin America, with Mexico among the worst affected, along with Chile and Peru.

A recently released national survey by the health ministry classified 28% of adult Mexican women as obese, with another 36% overweight.

Just under 19% of Mexican men are obese and a further 41% overweight. The figures confirm the shock sprung two years ago by a groundbreaking study revealing a 158% increase in obesity over a decade, prompting disbelief among many scientists.

Not any more. Now the consensus is that Mexico's combination of junk food, rapid urbanisation and genetic traits mean obesity rates have overtaken Europe's fattest country, Britain, where around 22% of adults are obese. More worryingly it is catching up with the US where adult obesity tops 30%.

Experts say the health problems of traditional Mexican fare have been vastly exacerbated by the invasion of relatively inexpensive industrially produced food. American fast food restaurants became fixtures in the 1990s, and today it is often easier to find a bag of crisps than a banana even in the remotest jungle village.

Household expenditure on fruit and vegetables fell by over a quarter between 1986 and 1998, while over a third more was spent on soft drinks.

Urbanisation has only made things worse. Those who can afford cars would rather wait in valet-parking queues outside restaurants than leave their vehicle a block away and walk.

The majority, obliged to take public transport, often demand that buses drop them off at their own street corner.

Meanwhile, slouching in front of the telly now dominates leisure time in part because the open spaces where local football teams once played have disappeared under urban sprawl. Only 13% of Mexicans say they play sport. Genetics also gets some of the blame, but whatever the cause, nutritionists warn that Mexico is settling into the established trend where obesity is primarily associated with the least fortunate. "That is the tendency," says a government nutritionist, Simon Barquera. "That is where we are headed."
 
 
 
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