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T

May 23, 2011, 2:41 PM

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Anyone else see a disparity here? The basic foods for Mexicans,and all of us, have gone up dramatically in the last two years. Tortillas have doubled, price chicken, rice, beans. close to double. Have we doubled their wages? Should we double their wages? And what are you doing, as an individual to make life a little bit easier for your domestic help in these tough times. This sounds like an attack on all of you, but it is not. Just upset and care about my help and want some ideas as to what to do to help them in these tough times. I do give them unexpected propinas. I do give them fun foods that I think they would not buy on their own. A civil discussion on this topic would be much appreciated. Cannot imagine that some of you good folks do not share my thoughts. Thanks, T.



chinagringo


May 23, 2011, 2:50 PM

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Enough Already!

You started virtually the same topic back on Feb. 13th. Time to at least come up with some new fiction!



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Neil
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T

May 23, 2011, 2:54 PM

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FICTION?


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Vichil

May 23, 2011, 3:06 PM

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Did your income double? If not and you follow your reasoning you may want to double your help salary and cut their hours in half. Will that work for you? It works for me.


T

May 23, 2011, 3:34 PM

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Please know that I have no problem addressing an issue from February and again at the end of May, as the problem has only worsened. Thank you for your heartfelt, sincere and caring thoughts about our Mexican workers. T.


chinagringo


May 23, 2011, 3:38 PM

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YOU: " I still pay only 50 pesos for maid and gardener. Would love to give them a boost, but I live on SS and have not had a boost myself for three years"

Pretty much says it all!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



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May 23, 2011, 3:45 PM

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I have taken to paying the household help in a lump in the middle of the month. Since I am not the only employer I assume the family is able to manage on the full weekly salary of the partner and her other two parttime jobs. Its my feeling that having a 'hunk'of cash is important when money trickles in weekly.


bournemouth

May 23, 2011, 4:21 PM

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Let's not feed this troll any more than we already have.


esperanza

May 23, 2011, 4:24 PM

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Another poster mentioned that her part-time household help also works part-time for other people. The same has always been true when I had household help in Ajijic, in Guadalajara, in Morelia, and now here in Mexico City.

The woman who works for me and my partner earns 750 pesos/week here in our house--she's here two and a half days a week. She works a half day a week for a friend of ours, who pays her 400 pesos; he and she know that he overpays her, but that's his choice. She has three other part-time employers who pay her the same wage we do. So, let's see: at 750 pesos X four employers plus 400 pesos from the other, her total salary is 3400 pesos per week. Her children are grown, well-educated, productive citizens and live with their respective spouses. She lives with her husband, who is retired and receives a pension--I don't know the amount. But her 3400 pesos per week total salary is 13,600 pesos per month. That's a good bit more than my Social Security payment. Add in his pension.

Gives you a slightly different point of view, doesn't it?

Mind you, I don't begrudge her one single peso of her salary. Because she is willing to do all the household chores we choose not to do, she makes an excellent living, we have the luxury of free time, the luxury of a clean house, and the luxury of washed and ironed clothing without effort on our part. Her other employers enjoy the same luxuries. It may be appropriate to give her a small raise when she has been with us a year. It's not required.

Consider that when I worked full time, it was normal to receive a 3 to 5% salary increase each year. Social Security has not seen fit to raise its benefits for the last two years. Now, if you're talking about giving your household employee a raise from 50 pesos to 60 pesos per hour, that's a 20% raise. I bet you (whoever you are, reader) would have fallen off your chair if your employer had ever offered you a cost of living raise that substantial. And I well remember that the costs of food, clothing, and shelter in the USA (never mind anything 'luxurious' like a food item I couldn't normally afford) went up relentlessly month after month and year after year...just as they continue to do in Mexico.

IMHO, most foreigners want to assuage their guilt feelings--whatever the source of those--by paying their employees more than the going rate. Sure, there are some people in Ajijic and some anywhere in Mexico who are poor, but part-time employees who are paid the going rate know exactly what they will receive when they take the job you offer.




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May 23, 2011, 4:42 PM

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"We pay"? Speak for yourself. Some of us are Mexican wage earners and certainly not in the servant hiring class.


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chinagringo


May 23, 2011, 4:45 PM

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To my way of thinking comparing what a person's household help earns in Mexico to what their employer earns on Social Security is a pure rationalization! Must that same as rationalizing the crime rate in Guadalajara versus that in say Atlanta or Houston. I have to wonder if those collecting Social Security while still within the age income limitation are reporting their outside or off the books income while in Mexico?

All of this finger pointing or questioning what people are underpaying or overpaying their help is disingenuous at best. If those claiming to have only Social Security to survive on SOB were NOB, they wouldn't even have the option of having maids or gardeners. This has been their choice to retire or live in Mexico and why do the rules change simply by the geography?

As Rolly so aptly put it in a previous thread on this very same topic: "some people are cheap"!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



T

May 23, 2011, 4:53 PM

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Great response, as usual. Thank you. T.


(This post was edited by esperanza on May 23, 2011, 5:00 PM)


esperanza

May 23, 2011, 4:59 PM

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How in the world is a US dollar to equivalent peso comparison a rationalization? The fact is, my employee earns more money in her work month than the peso equivalent of my Social Security benefit.

I am about to be 67 years old and have no income other than Social Security and a tiny pension from my last employer in the States.

Wait to criticize until you understand the facts. Boy, you jumped the gun here--again.




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T

May 23, 2011, 5:46 PM

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Read that five times and still do not get it. T.


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May 23, 2011, 6:06 PM

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