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mensamia

Jul 10, 2011, 2:55 PM

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Why is nobody talking about this or is there another thread that I missed. Looked in central highlands forum, nothing there either.

http://www.cbc.ca/...xico-san-miguel.html
" to see the world in a grain of sand". W. Blake

bournemouth

Jul 10, 2011, 3:41 PM

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It has been well covered on SMA forums. Nothing we can say will bring the victim back to life, so let's leave it alone.

mensamia

Jul 11, 2011, 7:17 PM

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Well covered? I can't find anything. Looked on the Central Highlands forum where SMA is located, nothing there. Can you refer me to the forums where this is discussed please. Thank you.
" to see the world in a grain of sand". W. Blake

ken_in_dfw

Jul 11, 2011, 7:28 PM

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Mensamia, bournemouth means the other Internet forums dedicated to discussion about San Miguel de Allende that are not a part of Mexconnect. Specifically,

Falling ... in Love with San Miguel
Civil SMA Yahoo group

Regards,
Ken

Marlene

Jul 12, 2011, 9:49 AM

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You have a link to a story that gives her name, and if you Google her name, you will find much coverage by the Canadian press.

mensamia

Jul 12, 2011, 2:53 PM

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thanks Ken and Marlene. On some of the other forums they mention two other seniors (men) who were also murdered in SMA. Maybe 3 seniors in a large community would not be statistically significant but 3 murdered seniors in 6 months in a small english expat community is very significant. Just wondering why people aren't talking about it here and discussing what can be done.
" to see the world in a grain of sand". W. Blake

chicois8

Jul 12, 2011, 6:27 PM

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The murder was committed in a town 10 miles away from SMA...

Bennie García

Jul 12, 2011, 6:55 PM

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t Just wondering why people aren't talking about it here and discussing what can be done.

What can be done? Move back to the home country if one is worried of meeting the same fate. What else can be done?

Brian

Jul 12, 2011, 7:29 PM

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t Just wondering why people aren't talking about it here and discussing what can be done.

What can be done? Move back to the home country if one is worried of meeting the same fate. What else can be done?

What can be done is catch the killer. Expats are so intimidated at offending their hosts that they do not complain about even the most heinous of crimes. The mayor is asking the foreign community to give the minesterio publico time to do it's job. Fair enough but there have been three other expat murders committed in SMA within the past six months and there have been no arrests nor communication with the public about the progress in those cases. Instead of confronting the authorities, the vocal foreigners waste their energy on the message boards saying that the families rights trump public discussion and even attacking the one reporter who refuses to let this woman's death go into the cold case files along with the others.

Bennie García

Jul 12, 2011, 8:05 PM

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t Just wondering why people aren't talking about it here and discussing what can be done.

What can be done? Move back to the home country if one is worried of meeting the same fate. What else can be done?

That is one of the most naive posts I've read yet. Why do you think foreigners will be treated any different than the local population? The MP solves so few murders it is ridiculous.

Yeah that's it, confront the authorities! That ought to encourage them to rise up above their usual incompetency.

And dude, no one has to complain to the authorities about a murder, they find a body, they will investigate. It isn't like filing a report about a burglary.

BTW should foreigners just scream and holler when they are victims?

(This post was edited by Bennie García on Jul 12, 2011, 8:06 PM)

Rolly

Jul 12, 2011, 8:15 PM

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I have to agree with Bennie on this. Naive is the first word that popped into my mind.

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mexliving

Jul 12, 2011, 9:18 PM

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Thats the 5th or 6th victim in that area in the last few years. Its a horrific crime against a woman from another country. I would install an intercom system and never answer the door to anyone. I would consider getting a big dog. I am wondering if the spot gps emergency system would work from inside a home. You can program instant email messages when you travel on the highways. Who ever can afford to purchase one should try it . Or even an alarm with a pager that you keep in your pocket that sounds a loud alarm outside the home to tell neighbors there is an emergency.
Its such a shame that no one has been caught for the previous victims and i dont tbink they will catch this criminal either.

Bennie García

Jul 12, 2011, 9:22 PM

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It's a shame when no one is caught for any and all murders. What makes gringos so special?

mexliving

Jul 13, 2011, 1:30 AM

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you have a point benny.
with all the foreing aid to mexico, one would wish they would actually spend the money building their crime labs and data base. there are many talented students in mexico that could make their carreer in the criminal justice field. the problem is that those wages are probably very low paying.

Brian

Jul 13, 2011, 3:41 AM

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I have to agree with Bennie on this. Naive is the first word that popped into my mind.

Javier Sicilia are the first words that pop into mine. It's all in one's perspective. The easiest thing to do is shrug one's shoulders with a "ni modo". "Hasta la Madre" is the phrase the authorities in SMA should be hearing right now.

whynotwrite

Jul 13, 2011, 6:09 AM

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A high tech, state of the art crime lab is available in Mexico. This was all over the news and newspapers weeks ago. Read the news and become informed.
Why would one person´s murder be more important than another person´s murder? Is the death of a Canadian more important than the death of a Mexican? Does this forum cry out when a Mexican down the street is killed? These type of things go on all over the world, her being Canadian does not change a thing.

Bennie García

Jul 13, 2011, 6:14 AM

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I have to agree with Bennie on this. Naive is the first word that popped into my mind.

Sicilia was already well known and is able to use his resources and fame to their advantage. Tell the gringos in SMA to call for a press conference on national TV and see how far they get.

You are sitting comfortably in your home in Texas giving people who actually live in this country all sorts of advice. Why don't you do something on behalf of the victims? Call your local TV station and tell them of the terrible wrongs being wrought on US and other foreign citizens here. Start a media campaign that will shame Mexico into action!

What do you mean "no se puede"?

Brian

Jul 13, 2011, 6:29 AM

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Actually the archives of this message board contain multiple postings dating back five years or so about the alarming rate of violent crimes in Mexico. It was common for knee-jerk responses to include references to "Chicken Little" and, often, these same people would say that it is only Mexicans killing other Mexicans and that Gringos are unaffected. Some of those folks are still on this message board but have re-registered under a different username to avoid accountability for their words I suppose.

Reefhound

Jul 13, 2011, 7:40 AM

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I agree with Bennie and Rolly that gringos are not being treated any differently than locals by MP with regards to investigating crimes, it's just that they will not or can not do much about it. I think the point is that this will not change until people demand accountability and this was called out to expats because that is mostly the audience here. But really it's locals that are going to have to take the lead in any kind of "public demands". They are the ones who get to set, through their actions and words (or lack thereof), how society there will work. Americans and Canadians are not going to be able to stand up and "show them how it's done back home".

mensamia

Jul 13, 2011, 7:59 AM

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What about voting with the dollar? I think if gringos leave in masses and take their dollars with them there will be an immediate change to the system. Call me naive but the dollar seems to work much better than anything else in advancing social change. A mass migration would have a huge impact on the local economies and there would be change. Either that or do the same thing (bury head in sand, do not discuss.. and hope it will go away) which is not working. Wisdom says when the current action is not working, change the current action. :)

In the meantime we have to keep talking and come up with solutions.

I have bought a property near SMA but I think it will stay empty until this crime wave is stopped. If I lived there now, I would leave for a year or two. My life is worth more than the property.
" to see the world in a grain of sand". W. Blake

mensamia

Jul 13, 2011, 8:01 AM

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thanks Brian, a perfect example of the 'head in the sand' syndrome. :)
" to see the world in a grain of sand". W. Blake

mensamia

Jul 13, 2011, 8:05 AM

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"That is one of the most naive posts I've read yet. Why do you think foreigners will be treated any different than the local population? The MP solves so few murders it is ridiculous."

I disagree. These crimes can be solved but there is no motivation on the part of the police force. They know the gringo community will not do anything if they don't solve the crime so why expend the energy. And as far as foreigners being treated different, well if there was a mass exodus of foreigners, there would be a different result than the one we are getting now. And I am not suggesting sell all your properties and move and take a loss. I am suggesting leave until it changes and then come back. But then many of you may value your property more than your life and will miss out on this opportunity to instigate social change.
" to see the world in a grain of sand". W. Blake

(This post was edited by mensamia on Jul 13, 2011, 8:07 AM)

chinagringo

Jul 13, 2011, 8:15 AM

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Apparently you are not up on the current economic situation in San Miguel de Allende. Businesses are going out of business on a fairly regular basis, hotels are crying for visitors and there appears to be a sizable inventory of homes for sale or rent at somewhat reduced prices. This situation isn't unique to SMA as there are numerous locations with similar issues.

A mass exodus might get their attention but consider just who would be adversely affected. How about those that have invested their money and won't be able to recoup their monies?
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM

Bennie García

Jul 13, 2011, 8:19 AM

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And as far as foreigners being treated different, well if there was a mass exodus of foreigners, there would be a different result than the one we are getting now. And I am not suggesting sell all your properties and move and take a loss. I am suggesting leave until it changes and then come back.

I suggested something similar in my first reply. If you are so worried or concerned then pack up and go home. That is an option available to foreigners since they hold citizenship in their home country. If that also helps to motivate the local justice system then that is cool. Mexicans don't have that option.

And for those who will argue that this would create financial hardship for some...well, tough shit. Even gringos with their infamous sense of entitlement can't have their cake and eat it too. Sometimes choices are difficult and all have consequences. But the ability to choose is an available option.

sioux4noff

Jul 13, 2011, 8:24 AM

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Mexicans don't have that option.

They certainly have the option of moving elsewhere in Mexico, if they have the means to do so.

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