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RickS

Oct 21, 2011, 9:02 AM

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Associated Press.....

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iaNXX7v6JYbduQfeC1VWHXwrMFCA?docId=f280a58bd44446ab966657c9003b9e5d

Reefhound

Oct 21, 2011, 4:34 PM

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What's his complaint? They are Mexicans illegally in the U.S. so they should be Mexico's problem.

stevebrtx

Oct 21, 2011, 5:14 PM

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Well, it doesn't say it directly, but you have to wonder?

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I suppose your "wretched refuse" might qualify. But then again, that was "legal" immigration wasn't it?
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chinagringo

Oct 21, 2011, 5:21 PM

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And where were the crimes committed?
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joaquinx

Oct 21, 2011, 5:27 PM

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What's his complaint? They are Mexicans illegally in the U.S. so they should be Mexico's problem.

They don't have to be illegal. They could have a green card and caught driving under the influence, bar fight, driving without insurance, etc.

Prior to immigration quotas, all immigration was neither legal nor illegal. All you need to do to enter the country was to pass a health check-up. Remember, the US was built on cheap, imported labor.

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La Isla

Oct 21, 2011, 5:43 PM

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What's his complaint? They are Mexicans illegally in the U.S. so they should be Mexico's problem.

Yes, that's how my grandparents were able to flee Russia around the turn of the previous century and find a new home in Philadelphia!

richmx2

Oct 21, 2011, 11:03 PM

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I think you missed the point entirely, Reefhound. Calderón wasn't speaking of the so-called "illegals", but of those people who commit real crimes in the U.S. (as opposed to regulatory violations like entering the country without proper documentation) — things like rape, robbery, murder, arson, etc. — that are just dumped at the border, and add their contribution to the general mayhem in those communities. Whether he has a valid point in blaming violence in those communities on those who learned their "trade" in the U.S. is another matter entirely.

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Altahabana

Oct 22, 2011, 5:57 AM

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A resident alien cannot be deported for violating an administrative regulation like failing to maintain vehicle liability insurance. A deportable offense has to be a crime involving moral turpitude carrying a maximum sentence of imprisonment for one year or more. Simple DUI/DWI is not a crime involving moral turpitude, either.

Resident aliens have to be prosecuted and convicted before they can be deported so I don't think that is the catagory Caldreon is complaining about. An illegal migrant doesn't have to be convicted to be deported--their status alone makes them deportable. Calderon seems to be complaining that illegal migrants charged with crimes aren't being prosecuted but are simply being arrested and then turned over to Homeland Security. Those would be local policy decisions made by state prosecutors, probably for financial reasons.

Reefhound

Oct 22, 2011, 7:33 AM

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Show me some concrete examples of illegals simply being deported rather than prosecuted for rape/robbery/murder, where there was sufficient evidence to prosecute.

It was hard enough to believe that some had the gall to complain about the U.S. deporting illegals who were just seeking a better life. That some are now complaining about deporting criminals is over the top.

Altahabana

Oct 22, 2011, 8:10 AM

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I cannot imagine a district attorney anywhere making a conscious decision not to prosecute a illegal migrant accused of a serious felony offense involving violence and instead simply turn him/her over to Homeland Security for deportation. That just isn't going to happen in the real world.

I could see a DA deciding not to prosecute for some theft or other property related misdemeanor offenses where the typical disposition would be at most a very short term of imprisonment. The accused would be deported anyway following the end of the sentence so the reasoning behind the decision isn't too hard to figure out.

richmx2

Oct 22, 2011, 9:50 AM

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Alta... I was speaking of the non-resident aliens, who are deported for "regulatory offenses" (such as being non-registered aliens), and for rather minor criminal matters... but as to whether more serious offenders are being dumped in the border towns, and whether or not that affects crime rates in those towns, isn't something I could say, though apparently Calderón claims it does. I'd imagine it does, although I have to agree with Reefhound that it isn't anything the U.S. government can be blamed for, not directly anyway. At least Calderón seems to be vastly over-simplifying a complicated issue.

I've said before that the border towns have a unique set of demographic challenges... basically being boom or bust places and very much "frontier towns" with a lot younger and single adults (the prime cohort for social problems) than other communities in Mexico. That is, people who were looking to start a new life north of the border, or a job in one of the border town industries, and are separated from the usual social controls of an extended family provides elsewhere in Mexico, have ended up in those communities living on their own. AND, the deportees who can't return to their former homes for some reason (criminality being one) just add to a socially volatile situation.

The economic and demographic situation — as well as geography — all probably have a lot to do with things like the flight of the middle class and the growth of the criminal gangs in places like Juarez. And which came first is sort of a chicken and egg problem. Anyway, a bunch more criminals doesn't help any.

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chinagringo

Oct 22, 2011, 10:19 AM

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http://www.foxnews.com/...returning-criminals/

The above article does address some of the issues being discussed. I know, it is from Faux News but IMO, it does bring some valid info.

Having read way too many articles on this topic, I have no doubt that with budget cuts and the outcry over the costs of incarcerating illegals who have committed a crime in the US, some decisions are being made based upon costs and path of least resistance. The above article doesn't address the new ICE/Dept Homeland Security deportation method of transporting deportees to a crossing far away from their original point of entry: ie illegals caught along the TX border transported to Mexicali for deportation. The thinking on this is that by doing so, the deportees are less familiar with their surroundings and don't have the connections in that given area to make arrangements for reentry. Probably a somewhat valid theory but it does bring new dynamics into play and can stress a different Mexican border city.
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