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Carron

Nov 14, 2009, 7:57 AM

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I know this is getting off-topic and probably fodder for a new thread, but . . .

Just before we moved to Chiapas, I said goodbye to a business acquaintance and explained that my husband and I were taking early retirement to move to Mexico.

"Oh, that's wonderful!! My husband and I just love Mexico, too. I sure hope ya'll are doing an 'all inclusive'?"

Clueless, I asked what she meant by an "all inclusive".

"Well, we go for a week every year to Zihua. We love it there. We go right from the airport to the hotel and we stay there and don't have to go anywhere. We eat all our meals in the hotel and live on the beach. All I wear the entire time is my bikini and a T-shirt for when we go in to eat."

Wow. I was so unimpressed.


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Papirex


Nov 14, 2009, 8:44 AM

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Carron, your comment reminded me of something a neighbor told me a few years ago here in Cuernavaca. We used to live in a court with four houses in it. One of our neighbors was a young man that was an executive with a large international hotel chain. Everyone would recognize the name if I mentioned it.


He was stationed in México City, and the corporation he worked for paid for his road tolls and gasoline so he could commute every day and live here in Cuernavaca. A few years ago he was the manager of one of their hotels in southeast México, I believe it might have been in Vera Cruz but I don't really remember now. He told us that he used to spend almost every weekend in Miami at that time. The corporation used to pay for his airfare every week, and he was high enough in management that he could stay in any of their hotels worldwide at no cost. I mention these things to show that he was high enough in the management team to lend credibility to what he told me about “all inclusive” plans.


He told me to never, ever, sign up for an “all inclusive.” I asked him why not? And he told me that is our way to keep you in our hotel to spend your extra money in our bar, our gift shop, etc. He said you are not going to go very far from the hotel to go sightseeing, etc. if you know you are going to have to pay for your meals, etc.


He said that with an all inclusive, all you are likely going to see of the area you are visiting is your hotel.


There might be some exceptions, but I believe it is a good idea to avoid all inclusive plans if you want to go sightseeing and learn about a new area.


Rex

"The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved" - Victor Hugo

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Hound Dog

Nov 14, 2009, 10:55 AM

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Carron, your comment reminded me of something a neighbor told me a few years ago here in Cuernavaca. We used to live in a court with four houses in it. One of our neighbors was a young man that was an executive with a large international hotel chain. Everyone would recognize the name if I mentioned it.
He was stationed in México City, and the corporation he worked for paid for his road tolls and gasoline so he could commute every day and live here in Cuernavaca. A few years ago he was the manager of one of their hotels in southeast México, I believe it might have been in Vera Cruz but I don't really remember now. He told us that he used to spend almost every weekend in Miami at that time. The corporation used to pay for his airfare every week, and he was high enough in management that he could stay in any of their hotels worldwide at no cost. I mention these things to show that he was high enough in the management team to lend credibility to what he told me about “all inclusive” plans.
He told me to never, ever, sign up for an “all inclusive.” I asked him why not? And he told me that is our way to keep you in our hotel to spend your extra money in our bar, our gift shop, etc. He said you are not going to go very far from the hotel to go sightseeing, etc. if you know you are going to have to pay for your meals, etc.
He said that with an all inclusive, all you are likely going to see of the area you are visiting is our hotel.
There might be some exceptions, but I believe it is a good idea to avoid all inclusive plans if you want to go sightseeing and learn about a new area.


Great story Rex but, as you know, Mexicans love the all-inclusive resort just as they love the 3X1 Margarita specials. It´s all bullshit but it seems that Mexicans love family gatherings and, I suppose, the "all-inclusive" plan which is akin to the old "American Plan" makes sense if you are vacationiing with the family including a number of kids. I think the "all-inclusive" plan made more sense when resort areas were somewhat primitive but that was before McDonalds, etc., etc. came along.

Anyway, your story reminds me of another story. As you may or may not know, Puerto Vallarta is quite popular among gay vacationers and residents and many of my colleagues and friends in San Francisco throughout the latter half of the 20th Century were actively and proudly gay. We had a good family friend in his 30s in those days who used to visit us with his "Longtime Companion" at our home in the Northern California woods and they would drive up from their home in the Castro to lounge about the pool and consume alcoholic beverages and one day our friend told us how much fun he had had on his recent first-time trip to Puerto Vallarta. and how much he loved the place and the following coinversation - without imbelleihment - occurred:

DAWG: Well, (Billy Bob) We are considering the idea of retiring to Mexico especially since Tucson and Fort Walton Beach have proven somewhat dear for the purchasing of properties we have been contemplating if you get my drift and, therefore, we are considering the notion of moving to Mexico and in that regard have selected a few favored communities in which to perhaps retire among them being Puerto Vallarta. So, tell us, (Billy Bob), what did you think of Puerto Vallarta as a place to hang your ass while you wind down the Planet Earth experience?
BILLYBOB: Well, to be honest Dawg, I only saw that part of the city between the airport and the hotel and between the time I got there and the time I left I never saw anything except those four walls to my room and a number of studs I still fondly remember but I will tell you that a finer town I have never visited.

It seems that there are many ways to define a fine town one of them being the access to large, conspicuous and willing penises of note.


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La Isla


Nov 14, 2009, 11:15 AM

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He said you are not going to go very far from the hotel to go sightseeing, etc. if you know you are going to have to pay for your meals, etc.....He said that with an all inclusive, all you are likely going to see of the area you are visiting is our hotel.

I think that a number of foreign tourists who come to Mexico (or other beach vacation "destinations") are just interested in the beach, their hotel, and the area in between and have no real interest in seeing the country outside of this limited space.


richmx2


Nov 14, 2009, 2:24 PM

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Having led a life "pure as the driven slush" and relatively well-preserved, I'm not immune to the charms of youth. without getting into the gory details of it, a sweet young thing in a disreputable venue I was visiting in Houston offered shall we say "possibilities for more than idle chit-chat", but -- to their (or my) disappointment -- when Mexico came up in the course of the ... er... conversation, added "Mexicans are dirty."

When asked what parts of Mexico SWT was familiar with, the response was "Cancooon" but assured me, the rest of the place is a mess. Had SWT visited other parts of Mexico. "No, but I know what I'm talking about."

"I live in Santa María la Ribera, Delegacíon Cuauhtémoc, in the Federal District of Mexico... and I'm afraid you don't." Ah well, as another SWT visiting from Monterrey (and others) -- overhearing said conversation -- could later attest, ignorance is not bliss.

And, no... although I have done work on travel guidebooks, I do not disclose locations of ... ahem... cultural attractions not meant for the casual tourist. Don't ask. I won't tell.


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sioux4noff

Nov 14, 2009, 9:18 PM

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<<I think that a number of foreign tourists who come to Mexico (or other beach vacation "destinations") are just interested in the beach, their hotel, and the area in between and have no real interest in seeing the country outside of this limited space.>>

Living in the Puerto Vallarta area, I can vouch for that. But it's not just foregin tourists, there are many Mexicans at the all-inclusives as well, and they don't venture out to see what the area has to offer, either.
And whether or not that's the way any of us would choose to vacation doesn't diminish their right to enjoy their vacations as they see fit.


morgaine7


Nov 14, 2009, 11:10 PM

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My first visit to Mexico was in July 1975 with one of the pioneers of all-inclusive vacations: Club Med. The destination was on the west coast, between Manzanillo and Puerta Vallarta. We did get to the PV market and a couple of other places outside the vacation village. It was a wonderful week, and it changed my life. Within a year I was an expat, first working for Club Med and later moving on to other overseas employment. 30 years after my first visit, I returned to Mexico to explore retirement possibilities, and now here I am.

Kate
 
 
 
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