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Brian

Jul 15, 2013, 11:47 AM

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Retirees in Mexico cut off, study says
Baby boomers retiring in Mexico may find it's cheaper to live there than in Canada or the U.S., however, a study suggests retirees are often isolated both from their families back home - and from the mainstream of Mexican life.

The study, by Jesse O'Brien of the University of Calgary, will be presented at the 2010 Congress for the Humanities and Social Sciences taking place at Montreal's Concordia University. O'Brien's study looked at how Canadian and American retirees in a small, unnamed town in Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula have adapted to life as expatriates.

"It's an extremely important topic as baby boomers come of retirement age," says O'Brien, adding that many people will want to retire somewhere warm and cheap. He adds that living abroad will become especially attractive if the value of people's pension plans drops. "Moving to a cheaper place like Mexico is going to become a viable option for some people," he says.

But moving to a new country - even if it's an inexpensive tropical paradise - is never easy, and O'Brien says people go through several phases as they adapt to their new life. They start out, he says, by thinking they're going to be living like kings in paradise; eventuality, reality sets in.

For most expatriates, reality is that they end up living in a pleasant but isolated enclave.

O'Brien says the expats in the community he studied had essentially recreated a North American lifestyle in one small corner of the Yucatan. "They are living exactly the same life they'd live at home, but in a different location," he says. Most "absolutely love" the life, but his study showed some problems.

The first, he says, is that the expat community is negatively affecting the local population "even though they don't notice it themselves." For example, he said the expats often make no attempt to learn Spanish, and expect to be dealt with in English. And their relationships with the locals are based on service, not friendship. As a result, says O'Brien, the expats' relationship to the locals is often condescending.

He also explains that expats have surprisingly little contact with their families back home. "It's kind of shocking," he says, adding that most people he talked to report that missing family members is the most difficult part of living abroad. Part of that may be due the fact that the community he studied was not on the tourist circuit, and therefore not as easy to get to as some of the cities or resorts.

On the plus side, O'Brien says the fact of living in an enclave and being cut off from family results in the creation of unusually strong community ties. People who wouldn't normally meet back home are thrown together, and because of the circumstances, friendships develop.

O'Brien notes the case, for example, of a burly former biker who became best of friends with an elderly gay man who had moved to Mexico to start a bed and breakfast. The fact of being North Americans together in Mexico often trumps other differences, he says.

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jreboll

Jul 15, 2013, 4:55 PM

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Aren't there isolated enclaves all over south Texas, Arizona,and Florida?
Any changes in lifestyle require sacrifices and modifications. Does Mr. O'Brian hold the secrets for happy retirement?


esperanza

Jul 15, 2013, 5:55 PM

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An enclave of English-speaking retirees in the USA is not the same as an enclave of the same population in Mexico. In Mexico, most English-speakers congregate to (1) speak to one another in their native language (2) share their experiences in adapting to a foreign culture (3) share books, etc (4) share social time, etc. English-speaking retirees in Texas, Arizona, and Florida need other kinds of mutual support.

On the other hand, there are certainly pockets of English-speaking retirees in parts of Mexico other than the Yucatán Peninsula. The Lake Chapala area, San Miguel de Allende, the Rosarito Beach area, and Alamos are a few that come immediately to mind.

For the most part, I agree completely with what the author has to say.




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YucaLandia


Jul 15, 2013, 6:23 PM

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We agree to agree on these things.

The author observes correctly about the relative emotional and social isolation and insulation of that gringo enclave in Yucatan. The one he speaks of could actually be one of 3 different enclaves here.

The author also observes correctly about how typical Yucatecos perceive the treatment they receive from the inhabitants of the gringo enclave. There is some overflow of the current low-level negative feelings towards "enclave gringos" that spill onto the expats who live outside the enclave. Fortunately for the rest of us, we speak Spanish and/or Maya well enough to put Yucatecos at ease, and make them laugh with ridiculous comments like: "Hey, does the bill include special gringo surcharges?" ("Oye, el costo de esta facture incluye impuestos para grigos?") said loudly with an obvious mocking/comical fake-aggressive tone used by overly-suspicious "enclave gringos".

Yucatecans love to talk about their families, and potential shared connections with newly-met strangers, so, saavy expats ask about people's relatives - by asking if you possibly know any of my Yuco-familia. or better still, speak a little Maya - which is a hit whether they know Maya language or not.

Unfortunately for the "enclave gringos", they really are unaware of how they are actually perceived (exclaiming that they "know all about Yucatecans and Yucatan culture" from their maids and mozos - country-folk who commute in from rural communities - and that their maid and their architect "love them").

In contrast, expats living outside the enclave(s) frequently have Yucatecan spouses or Yucatecan families. In contrast to "enclave gringos", the expats tend to learn functional Spanish, they develop positive relationships with their neighbors, start and operate small businesses with Yucatecan friends and relatives, and they are much more welcomed in Yucatan, because they do NOT try to recreate their former North of the Border environs. Instead they tend to integrate into the local vecinidades.

I suspect these qualities and characteristics are not isolated to Yucatan. Verdad?
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richmx2


Jul 16, 2013, 1:41 AM

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Alas, true wherever the gringos enclavate (to invent a verb). Of course, a good part of my income depends on those enclaved gringos, so I can't complain too much. Still, I am a little wistful for the days when if one wasn't living in the "right" area, you acquired a romantic or — better yet — shady reputation among the denizens of gringo gulch, while the dull reality of one's existence was as a mere eccentric cherished (if only for your value as harmless amusement) by your neighbors.


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johang


Aug 19, 2013, 4:38 AM

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Clearly the only way to break out of the isolation is to learn the language and even then there will always be cultural differences that prevent you from full participation in your adopted home. And like the rich bachelor it is difficult to be sure if those that court you do so for your money even after you have crossed the language barrier.

I see a lot of Expats who trumpet their non gringo ways and hold high and dear their many Mexican friends but in reality the author is pretty close to the mark from my point of view.

Johan....If we all do a little we can do a lot. Visit our little corner of paradise at the Jaltemba Jalapeño.
 
 
 
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