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dumois

Sep 15, 2003, 11:41 AM

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¡Viva México!

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Amigas y amigos del foro:

Here's my card for México's Independence Day:

There's a card available in Gusanito.com from Dumois.

To see it, please click on the following link:

http://gusanito.com/g/gusanito/retrieveCard.jsp?sCardCode=6F8F14EDE0096ACD697B10C00820D584156216

Or you may go to the following page and introduce the access code:

PAGE: http://gusanito.com/g/gusanito/manualRetrieve.jsp

CODE: 6F8F14EDE0096ACD697B10C00820D584156216

Un saludo desde Guadalajara,

Dumois

jennifer rose

Sep 15, 2003, 9:21 PM

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Viva Mexico!
Viva nuestra independencia!

Vivan los héroes que nos dieron patria!

Viva Hidalgo!
Viva Morelos!
Viva Josefa Ortiz de Domínguez!
Viva Allende!

Viva nuestra Libertad!
Viva con todos!

Viva la reunion de los mexicanos!

Viva Mexico!
Viva Mexico!
Viva Mexico!

As we enter this weekend’s puente – celebrating Dia de la Independencia – honoring our Independence from Spain, a time when various groups in Mexico – the rich, the poor, criollos, mestizos, large and small landowners – banded together almost two hundred years ago, let’s pause and give some thought to what this holiday means to all of us living in Mexico. (As well as those with Mexican ties living abroad.) It’s
more than just the red, white and green, and it’s more than chiles en nogada. What does Dia de la Independencia mean to you?

In Michoacan, we celebrate Fiestas Patrias throughout the entire month of September. The birthday of Jose Ma. Morelos is on the 30th, which means that the 29th spells a second wind of the events of the eve of Dia de la Independencia. And although it’s not a federal holiday, no one in his or her right mind expects any work to get done.

On the first of this month, up went a huge Mexican flag in front of my house. Inside, the rush to drape the terraces with banderas and just about anything and everything in the tri-colors began. One can never have enough of those symbols which evoke our history and independence – the rooster, the eagle, sombreros, and the images of the men and women who risked their lives. Even my dogs will be sporting new bow ties – for about 15 minutes. I couldn’t pass up a plastic Virgen de Guadalupe in a heart-shaped frame – which now dangles from my rear-view mirror.

Since it’s traditional to wear a costume to at least one Fiesta Patria party or Noche Mexicana, I’ve been working on mine for more than a year. Even those who don’t wear a completely authentic costume make an effort to sport the red, white and green or something that evokes Mexico.

There are the fireworks, but even more importantly, at least to me, are the gunshots which pierce the night air. Those signal that armed citizens (oh all right, some of us only have those little air pistols) are at the ready to defend land and liberty.

But Fiesta Patria is more than simply wearing the colors. I’ll be the first to admit that each time “Viva Mexico” is shouted, I swell with pride. For me, the theme is national unity. For a brief moment in time, it matters not whether the participants are PRI, PAN, PRD or none of the above. From the nacos in shiny polyester shirts to those who wear only the finest European designs, it’s a moment where we are all come together in common pride.

We are all together in celebration of Mexico.

Viva Mexico!
Viva nuestra independencia!
Vivan los héroes que nos dieron patria!

Viva Hidalgo!
Viva Morelos!
Viva Josefa Ortiz de Domínguez!
Viva Allende!

Viva nuestra Libertad!
Viva con todos!

Viva la reunion de los mexicanos!

Viva Mexico!
Viva Mexico!
Viva Mexico!

(This post was edited by jennifer rose on Sep 15, 2003, 10:35 PM)

Villa de RQ

Sep 16, 2003, 6:15 AM

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We all need more of these type posts. A Mexican theme, informative, factual, and interesting to read.

No digresssing!

sandykayak

Sep 16, 2003, 10:05 AM

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re <<no digressing>>

I guess Bubba hasn't read this :)

JR, please do post (or send me) a photo of you in your mexican costume.

For the record, in preparation for my future "adoption," I have already got a Mexican flag decal on my rear window and have a little flag pin, as well.

The small corner table in my office is sporting a new tablecloth with margaritas, nachos, chilis etc. on a bright, lime green background.

It is topped by a centerpiece arrangement: several bouquets of those teeny crepe paper flowers (bought in SMA) stuck in a very large cactus stem margarita glass. Fortunately, I have others at home for their intended use!

You can't imagine just how cheerful I feel when I look up.
Sandy Kramer
Miami, Fla & El Parque

sfmacaws

Sep 16, 2003, 9:26 PM

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Gee Bernie,

Everyone but you seems to enjoy the digressing. At least I know I do. The personal tidbits, whether they are like Jennifer's and full of information about how she celebrates a Mexican holiday or like Sandy's and full of information about who we are and how we enhance our lives with things from Mexico - both are interesting. Of course, if you haven't figured out how to skip a message you don't like, I'm sure someone could help you.

By the way, how do you 'digress' in a topic labeled General?

Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán

jennifer rose

Sep 16, 2003, 9:54 PM

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Digressing, About

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Even though this is a General Forum, the limitation is "any aspect about Mexico." Wombats and Pedro's hockey puck, and Jack Davis' famed birthday party are not about Mexico.

And there are a greater number of folks who seek out MexicoConnect's fora for solid information.

Folks, please use the private reply function for congratulatory and off-topic posts. And, of course, for conversations that are of little concern to others.

jrice

Sep 16, 2003, 10:05 PM

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Didn't you leave out "Muerte a los gachupines?" And those who died awful deaths as a result?

History is rarely tidy - as Hidalgo and Morelos, at the end, could most certainly attest, their hands stripped of the flesh that had touched the host.

A few years ago, a Michoacan politician of current prominence included "Que viva Iturbide!" in his grito. To a notably mixed response for one of the true fathers of Mexican independence.

Those are, by this point, quibbles. Mexico deserves respect and love. And truth.

b

HHERRINGTON

Sep 17, 2003, 5:39 AM

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The moderator experiences a damned if he/she does, damned if she/he doesn’t situation in deciding what to delete and what to leave on the forums. We are all here to learn more about Mexico, make contact with those of the same desires, and hopefully enjoy our time on the forum, that’s my hook into Mexico for this post.

Because many people have seriously abused the forum, ie wombats and hockey pucks, the moderator may be on occasion a little fast to delete posts. If she/he is then we the posters have brought it upon our selves.

On the other hand would we want the moderator to delete the happy birthday wishes for a man who produced an interesting book about Mexico, especially when we are happy he is here to celebrate another year. In truth the wishes were personal and not really related to Mexico. Of course the wishes were positive in nature and didn’t attack anyone, which might have influenced the moderator.

Hopefully we posters will clean up our act, and the moderator might be a little more tolerant.
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Life is too complicated to be expressed in one liners.

Uncle Jack

Sep 17, 2003, 6:08 AM

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As many of you know.....

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.....I have not always been one of ms. jennifer's biggest fans. That noted, it appears to me that considering the total tonnage of BS, Gunsmoke, general nonsense, and self serving, pointless happy talk that we have been deluged with in the last few weeks, jennifer and the other moderators have shown remarkable restraint.

uj

Villa de RQ

Sep 17, 2003, 6:26 AM

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Re: [Uncle Jack] As many of you know.....

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The Forums have been HIJACKED by a few people who use it as their personal chat room. It keeps those from posting who have genuine issues to discuss in that the Hijackers will respond to the ligitimate posts.

The Hijackers sometimes insult other posters and feel no remorse for doing so.

I have respect for JR and all the moderators who try to keep the posts within the boundaries of the charter for MexConnect.

There will always be different points of view! That is not the issue.

I think the MexConnect post criteria needs to be defined in more detail.

shoe

Sep 17, 2003, 8:34 AM

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Comments:

You can't Hijack a thread or fora! You can and others can alwways post what they wish.

Back to the topic. It was my first time to see the celebrations and it was wonderful, Ajijic was alive with smiling faces. The plaza was full and people were very happy. Traffic and parking was terrible here. Reminded me of LA., backed up for no reason at all. After walking around Ajijic for a time I decided to go to Chapala. A town that had even more going on. There the parking was worse and so was the traffic, the plaza was full and so was the park by the lake. I spent a long time looking at the venders offerings, ate, and enjoyed myself. Again everybody was very happy.

GOOD FOR MEXICO!!! I love it and haven't been here very long but really enjoy it as I learn these things.

shoe

Nothing is intrinsically good or evil, but its manner of usage may make it so.
-St. Thomas Aquinas

sfmacaws

Sep 17, 2003, 11:09 AM

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Hmmm. Well I enjoyed the posts about Pedro's hockey stick (don't remember anything about his puck), missed the wombats and certainly know about Jack Davis' birthday party but didn't read it here - perhaps the bottle was tequila?

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And there are a greater number of folks who seek out MexicoConnect's fora for solid information.

Now, that is the rub. Where do you get the folks who can answer all those requests for solid information if you don't allow them to chat in between requests? This is a fine line to walk, it is as easy to kill a forum with too much personal chatter and too many flames as it is to kill it by stifling all of the above. In my mind, good forums lean towards allowing most chatter while putting out the flames rather than the other way. Otherwise, no one bothers to log onto the forum unless they have a question...and that includes those who could answer most of the questions. If you only have hired help to answer questions, you are only allowing a limited (and not as useful) range of answers.

Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán

Kip

Sep 17, 2003, 1:13 PM

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Very well put Jonna. Nobody puts an idea or information across better than Uncle Donnie. His knowledge is always highly spiced with humor. Laughing while you learn something certainly can't be a bad thing. I always enjoy it more and I also seem to retain the information better.

Kip
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pat

Sep 17, 2003, 4:48 PM

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Kip asked, "Also if anyone has been getting threatening of vulgar offline posts ,..could you me know?"

What is this about, Kip? Are you getting threatening posts off line?

Pat

PeggyS

Sep 18, 2003, 12:28 AM

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Pat,
Kip for one knows that I have, and several other folks here in Ajijic. Mine weren't threatening, just porno, while posters whose names I won't mention got the threatening ones. The girls get the filthy ones, the guys get the other ones. And some of us have warned others about those whose "innocent" emails not to answer. Thanks for mentioning it and bringing it out into the open, Kip.

Marlene

Sep 18, 2003, 7:03 AM

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Do you mean the spam that comes into your mailbox or do you mean that you are getting direct contact from other people that are members of this forum? Spam is terrible these days but it usually isn't threatening, just REALLY annoying. If there are threats, have they been reported to David by the people that have received them? I am sure he would want to know about that.

Kip

Sep 18, 2003, 8:29 AM

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There is some good to come out of having a threat on the web or or in the neighborhood it, tends to make us circle the wagons and the friendships get tighter and new ones are formed. I guess that's the siver lining. It's amazing how much information can be shared when we realize how much we have in common.

Kip
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esperanza

Sep 18, 2003, 9:34 AM

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Peggy is talking about private messages that have been sent to her and others via the Private Message function of these boards.

http://www.mexicocooks.typepad.com

DavidMcL

Sep 18, 2003, 9:42 AM

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The information that some subscribers to MXC are receiving inappropriate private messages is new information for me.
I would appreciate direct feedback via private messages.
The private messages can be traced and the sender(s) will be dealt with.

I am receiving over 2000 emails a day at the moment (progress is always wonderful?), so the private message is your best bet.

David
David McL
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pat

Sep 18, 2003, 12:32 PM

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If there are threats, have they been reported to David by the people that have received them? I am sure he would want to know about that

Absolutely, if they are indeed threatening, there is no reason to put up with that! Now if they are only annoying or merely disgusting, then welcome to the world of the internet (unfortunately).

Pat